2015 NBA Draft Thread-Choke For Oak?
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Fox Sports 1 will have Woj on right now if anyone can see it. Says he's updating something on the Celtics.....
Buffalo Head said:
Seems to make sense. Moving to #9 puts Trader Danny in a position to move up to #3/4 for Okafor/Porzingis or to stay at #9 for WCS/Turner. It's consistent with the NYK rumors that they want to move back a few spots for Frank the Tank.
This Sullinger news is pretty good. There is some real action to be had at 9. WCS, Kaminsky, Hezonja may slide that far and/or rocket up and let someone else slide. I'm game.
Woj says Boston is going "big game hunting" in top part of lottery. Offering Marcus Smart.
"Danny Ainge will be a factor throughout the draft tonight"
I just flipped it on, so I may have missed something pecific between Celtics/Hornets.
"Danny Ainge will be a factor throughout the draft tonight"
I just flipped it on, so I may have missed something pecific between Celtics/Hornets.
I don't necessarily think that if the deal is true. Last year moving from 16 to 11 cost the 19th pick and a 2nd. so you have to think that rates Sullinger at about equal with a first in the first half of the teens. To me that's a decent haul for him. He's only got 1 year left before he's a restricted FA, and there isn't much reason to expect a leap forward. He is what he is, talented inside, solid rebounder, limited by his size and lack of athleticism, with a long injury history and questionable conditioning. I think mid-first is nice value for him.Ed Hillel said:
Nate Timmons @NateTimmonsCO 26m26 minutes ago
Woj saying Willie Cauley-Stein could slip to early teens because of ankle issues. Teams exploring trade up to 12, 13 range to get him.
Nate Timmons @NateTimmonsCO 27m27 minutes ago
Woj maintains Knicks looking to move back and targeting Justise Winslow & Frank Kaminsky. Mentions Frank at 9, 10. Want vet PG for triangle
Woj also said that he believes PHI is locked into Russell at #3 and that LAL is mentioning Russell at #2 to either force a trade with PHI or SAC so that LAL can move down.
Woj saying Willie Cauley-Stein could slip to early teens because of ankle issues. Teams exploring trade up to 12, 13 range to get him.
Nate Timmons @NateTimmonsCO 27m27 minutes ago
Woj maintains Knicks looking to move back and targeting Justise Winslow & Frank Kaminsky. Mentions Frank at 9, 10. Want vet PG for triangle
Woj also said that he believes PHI is locked into Russell at #3 and that LAL is mentioning Russell at #2 to either force a trade with PHI or SAC so that LAL can move down.
Tony Massarotti @TonyMassarotti 33s33 seconds ago
FWIW, I'm hearing that Marcus Smart is not going anywhere. @985TheSportsHub @cbsboston
FWIW, I'm hearing that Marcus Smart is not going anywhere. @985TheSportsHub @cbsboston
Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine 58m58 minutes ago
Whispers getting louder that the Celtics are willing to surrender prized guard Marcus Smart if it gets them in upper reaches of lottery
David Aldridge @daldridgetnt 40m40 minutes ago
Celtics working hard to move up, but Kings aren't interested in Boston's offers and are set to keep the sixth pick.
Whispers getting louder that the Celtics are willing to surrender prized guard Marcus Smart if it gets them in upper reaches of lottery
David Aldridge @daldridgetnt 40m40 minutes ago
Celtics working hard to move up, but Kings aren't interested in Boston's offers and are set to keep the sixth pick.
Chris Broussard @Chris_Broussard 18m18 minutes ago
Sources: Knicks currently leaning toward Mudiay if they stay at No. 4, Kaminsky if they move down
Sources: Knicks currently leaning toward Mudiay if they stay at No. 4, Kaminsky if they move down
Not getting my hopes up for a big deal. Last year ended up being pretty anticlimactic for the C's.
amfox1 said:
According to Chad Ford on the Lowe Post podcast, the Sixers have been tracking Mundiay since forever. If the Sixers don't trade down, my gut tells me the Knicks will have neither top PG prospect to choose from. They may have an outside chance at Okafor, though. My gut tells meTowns-Russell-Mudiay-Okafor if the drafting teams stay as-is.
I'm beginning to resign to the fact that the Celtics are going to be stuck at 16 and take my least favorite player in the draft Bobby Portis
Woj will probably have the first 10 picks on his twitter feed before the 1st pick shakes Silver's hand.Schnerres said:
Yes. Stay off twitter if you want to watch the draft unfold on TV. Theyre way behind usually. Hopefully they correct that this year.
amfox1 said:
I am working under the impression that Smart's value declined this year. I don't follow the league close enough to know the advanced stats, but it seems like Smart didn't show much in the way of flashes of brilliance. He had a couple 20 point games, and only a handful of games above 6 assists.
Given everyone loves the new and shiny things, I think you'd struggle to get a back end of the lottery pick for him straight up
I'm basically the biggest Smart fan in the world, so take this with a grain of salt, but I don't think this is the general sense. My feeling is his value has increased, as people saw him shoot better than expected.BigMike said:
Bow beat me to it, but I was going to say that Smart's advanced stats (helped by high steals & rebounding for his position) are not as bad as a casual glance through his offensive stats; he was definitely a below-average NBA player on an absolute basis but acquitted himself well relative to his age and draft class. As to whether he's worth more or less than where he was drafted (#6 overall), I can't really say with certainty, but i'd guess his trade value is the same or slightly less, i.e., about a mid-late lottery.
Final Mocks are up, if we don't trade here are the thoughts:
DX- Hollis-Jefferson, Alexander, Holmes, Upshaw
NBAdraft.net- Oubre, McCullough, Mickey. Dakari Johnson
DX- Hollis-Jefferson, Alexander, Holmes, Upshaw
NBAdraft.net- Oubre, McCullough, Mickey. Dakari Johnson
(I posted on CelticsNuts earlier, copied here)
I hate doing Mocks I think as a whole they are silly with most people having the same players in a similar slot which to me just makes for a lot of noise. Instead I'll list guys from their projected tier or grouping and notate whether they will over or underperform their slot.
* Towns - Beast, Stud and all that.
* Okafor, Porzingis, Russell, Mudiay, Winslow, and WCS - Love them all to make it BIG in the league. This is IMO the best draft since 2003 and it is due to these guys at the top. Disclaimer: The new info we have on WCS and his background (gang friends?) is the one thing that has me questioning him now.
I'll start with the Underperformers......
* Devin Booker - Similar to my take on Kidd-Gilchrist a few years ago. As a pick in the 20's he can shoot it off the bench and play a role which is all you can ask for a guy in the 20's. As a mid-lottery guy......he has bust written all over him.
* Mario Hezonja - Selfish International players have a history of ending up back in their homeland rather quickly. I don't like the vibe when I watch this guy. Buyer beware.
* Bobby Portis - Depends on how high he goes but mechanical bigs have a history of struggling in this league. If he goes 18-20 maybe underperform is too strong a word but I don't like his upside similar to how I feel/felt about Adreian Payne last year.
* Jerian Grant - Backup PG's should never go in the 1st round and certainly not in the Teens. Little upside and being overvalued here.
Overperformers who in some cases can be considered Fliers........
* Trey Lyles and Kelly Oubre - Grouping them together based on their college coaches history of their system not fitting these players game the best. UK guys don't miss so I have to feel Lyles makes it which is a win at 15 or so but has the potential to become more maybe like other UK guys Terrence Jones or Patrick Patterson. Oubre was used like Wiggins was.....I saw both be victimized by Self's system and not necessarily their makeup.
* Rondae Hollis-Jefferson - Aside from developing his individual game he needs to find the right role on the right team.....but if he does RHJ could be a Tony Allen-like steal in the 20's.
* Jarell Martin - Not being talked about much but a big with his athleticism always has the chance to refine parts of his offensive game to make a leap.
* Robert Upshaw - The heart issues on top of everything else that knocks him out of the lottery make him super risky even after he was already super risky. He's now a 2nd round flier but still has the physical ability to keep your eyes on.
* Andrew Harrison - This is a league that employs Phil Pressey to distribute the basketball. Harrison could carve out a nice career as a backup PG and when you can draft an NBA player in the 40's that's a win.
I hate doing Mocks I think as a whole they are silly with most people having the same players in a similar slot which to me just makes for a lot of noise. Instead I'll list guys from their projected tier or grouping and notate whether they will over or underperform their slot.
* Towns - Beast, Stud and all that.
* Okafor, Porzingis, Russell, Mudiay, Winslow, and WCS - Love them all to make it BIG in the league. This is IMO the best draft since 2003 and it is due to these guys at the top. Disclaimer: The new info we have on WCS and his background (gang friends?) is the one thing that has me questioning him now.
I'll start with the Underperformers......
* Devin Booker - Similar to my take on Kidd-Gilchrist a few years ago. As a pick in the 20's he can shoot it off the bench and play a role which is all you can ask for a guy in the 20's. As a mid-lottery guy......he has bust written all over him.
* Mario Hezonja - Selfish International players have a history of ending up back in their homeland rather quickly. I don't like the vibe when I watch this guy. Buyer beware.
* Bobby Portis - Depends on how high he goes but mechanical bigs have a history of struggling in this league. If he goes 18-20 maybe underperform is too strong a word but I don't like his upside similar to how I feel/felt about Adreian Payne last year.
* Jerian Grant - Backup PG's should never go in the 1st round and certainly not in the Teens. Little upside and being overvalued here.
Overperformers who in some cases can be considered Fliers........
* Trey Lyles and Kelly Oubre - Grouping them together based on their college coaches history of their system not fitting these players game the best. UK guys don't miss so I have to feel Lyles makes it which is a win at 15 or so but has the potential to become more maybe like other UK guys Terrence Jones or Patrick Patterson. Oubre was used like Wiggins was.....I saw both be victimized by Self's system and not necessarily their makeup.
* Rondae Hollis-Jefferson - Aside from developing his individual game he needs to find the right role on the right team.....but if he does RHJ could be a Tony Allen-like steal in the 20's.
* Jarell Martin - Not being talked about much but a big with his athleticism always has the chance to refine parts of his offensive game to make a leap.
* Robert Upshaw - The heart issues on top of everything else that knocks him out of the lottery make him super risky even after he was already super risky. He's now a 2nd round flier but still has the physical ability to keep your eyes on.
* Andrew Harrison - This is a league that employs Phil Pressey to distribute the basketball. Harrison could carve out a nice career as a backup PG and when you can draft an NBA player in the 40's that's a win.
BigSoxFan said:
It all depends on whether the C's were including the BKL picks in these offers. If it was something like 16/28/DAL '16/MEM '18, I would've been fine with it.
ElcaballitoMVP said:
Not me. That Dallas pick is only protected 1-7. The were the 7th seed last year, and they're an old team. If they don't get Aldridge, they're a good candidate to drop. And Memphis is no lock to be an elite team in a few years (protected 1-11 in 2017; 1-13 in 2018; 1-9 in 2019; 1-7 in 2020, unprotected in 2021).
It actually kind of sounds like they had protections of their own on the picks they were giving up, which makes sense. If that's the case, I'm OK with it.
The Carmelo is furious with Phil over Porzingis rumors flying already. I'm excited to see who wins the powerplay with their terrible owner.
If it ends in Porzingis being shopped it might be a nice chance for Danny to step in and steal an asset in a 3 way deal.
If it ends in Porzingis being shopped it might be a nice chance for Danny to step in and steal an asset in a 3 way deal.
Cellar-Door said:
That's not gonna happen. The keys were handed over to Phil. As much as Dolan loves Melo, the aura of Phil will overpower that. Jackson was brought in to NY in part to be able to use similar tactics he utilized with Kobe to try to irk and prod Melo into being a better player. Not sure it will work as Melo is a very different personality than Kobe, but Jackson will be given a shot to do it.
I don't really blame them. If Cleveland doesn't throw those games to Boston (which came back to bite them in the ass when Klutzy Olynyk accidentally broke Kevin Love, while Irving tweaked his knee in the same series) then the Celtics are picking 11th and Charlotte is just swapping picks in the starter range of the draft. But 16th was where the horror show started.Nick Kaufman said:
Boston's package included their 2015 picks (all in the wasteland range of the draft) and only one pick with any real chance of being good (the Dallas pick). Of course if the Mavs successfully retooled this summer then it would be a pick in the 20-25 range and they would end up having dealt a potential starter for a pile of scratch tickets. Trading up two tiers in the draft is extremely tough unless you have a vet that someone values.
Danny offered FOUR first round picks to Charlotte for the 9th pick to take Frank. Upon further reflection, Danny glad he was turned down, according to Hornets beat writer.
Paraphrasing Ainge, he offered the Hornets too much (reportedly 4 1st-round picks) for No. 9 and is glad upon reflection he was turned down.
— Rick Bonnell (@rick_bonnell) June 26, 2015
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Paraphrasing Ainge, he offered the Hornets too much (reportedly 4 1st-round picks) for No. 9 and is glad upon reflection he was turned down.
— Rick Bonnell (@rick_bonnell) June 26, 2015
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