2015 Jets: Back on Track
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Given what I saw from him at FSU and early in his career at BUF, I don't think anybody was "developing" EJ Manuel. I wouldn't hold that against him because I don't think EJ Manuel has the tools required of an NFL QB. He isn't an accurate passer, doesn't have great athleticism and didn't demonstrate that he was anything but a one read passer.
Maybe casserole is setting himself up for the job. "Well Woody, no one else wants the gig so why don't I keep the seat warm?"
Nice autocorrect. I'm leaving it
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http://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/673595
Marrone out, Dan Quinn now the favorite. This changes by the hour it seems.
Marrone out, Dan Quinn now the favorite. This changes by the hour it seems.
dcmissle said:
Not surprisingly, there isn't that much interest around the league in their vacant GM position.
Somewhat off topic I know. And I get that it's a hard job. But how is it possible so many teams dedicate high round draft picks for guys who lack the skill set required of a modern NFL QB? Is it a case of the Moneyball scouts who are blown away by physical skills and million dollar smiles? Or is it just that you can't really know how a guy will perform until they're actually in the NFL?Mystic Merlin said:
DrewDawg said:
No. The scouts he is talking about in Moneyball were the traditional ones who ignored all matters of statistics and went with their gut on the 5 tool players.
I think it's mostly the bolded. If you look at the "big four": Brady, Brees, Manning, and Rodgers, only Manning had elite physical tools coming out of college, and only Rodgers has elite physical tools now. Of the four, only Manning started as a rookie, and he was terrible, throwing 28 picks. Basically no one is ready to play at a high level as a rookie, so success comes down to who is willing and able to make improvements. I'm not sure you can really assess that until a guy is in the pros.Van Everyman said:
Van Everyman said:
SN's answer nails it in general but I think in this specific case its also likely that the Bills front office overreacted to the success the previous season of Kaepernick, Wilson, and RGIII running variations of the pistol/read-option. I don't see a guy like Manuel getting overdrafted to that degree a couple years earlier. He simply wasn't successful enough at the college level when throwing the ball.
Exacerbating things is the loss of patience on the part of ownership. Aikman was horrible his rookie season, as was Elway. His first season of substantial playing time (second overall) Montana was no great shakes. The only guy great out of the box in my lifetime was Marino, and recall how he slipped in the draft for one reason or another. (Big Ben was good enough, but it really wasn't on him).
An exploitable market inefficiency in the NFL -- ownership determined to do things the right way, and willing to stick with people (players and coaches) regardless of the media frenzy.
EDIT -- so when you create media frenzy for marketing purposes, and then put an unstable chain of command in place, you should not be surprised that young, able individuals are turning down interviews for the GM spot.
An exploitable market inefficiency in the NFL -- ownership determined to do things the right way, and willing to stick with people (players and coaches) regardless of the media frenzy.
EDIT -- so when you create media frenzy for marketing purposes, and then put an unstable chain of command in place, you should not be surprised that young, able individuals are turning down interviews for the GM spot.
Marino slipped in his draft due to a knee injury, a worse senior year than junior, and rumors of cocaine use while at Pitt.
Silverdude2167 said:
I'm a Syracuse alum and one of maybe a dozen people who follow the SU football program closely. Marrone is a good coach. He inherited an absolute steaming mess at Syracuse and made 2 (minor) bowls in 3 years, knocking off a couple of top 15 teams along the way.
But he's also very difficult to deal with. Friends of mine who are close to the SU program said he pissed off a lot of people in his 4 years there, including alienating lots of former players. Obviously there are similar reports now that he did the same in Buffalo.
Ultimately Marrone is an opportunist. He was the OC in New Orleans, but he didn't call plays, and his alma mater turned to him after being rebuffed by guys like Skip Holtz and Randy Edsall to reinvigorate a heavily damaged program. The second he did that he bolted. His 2012 season at Syracuse he had a good senior QB (Ryan Nassib), an eventual 1st round NFL OT (Justin Pugh, a senior), and two very good senior WRs who still kick around on NFL practice squads (Marcus Sales, Alec Lemon). He finished the year strong, destroyed a Geno Smith-led West Virginia team in the Pinstripe Bowl (ha!) and got out while the gettin' was good.
Same thing has occurred in Buffalo. He notched the Bills first winning season in forever (granted he choked away the Raiders game and his 9th win was a meaningless one against the Pats) and left while his reputation is still strong.
He has a remarkably thin skin and he'd get eaten alive in NYC, so it's for the best that he's not in the running to be Jets HC. Atlanta would be a good spot for him.
Super Nomario said:
Cam Newton was the best rookie QB in NFL history. Things have just stayed the same since he came into the league. No improvement.
Albert Breer @AlbertBreer 18m18 minutes ago
Just to clarify what I said earlier, it remains uncertain how the contractual power b/w the future coach and GM of the Jets will break down.
Just to clarify what I said earlier, it remains uncertain how the contractual power b/w the future coach and GM of the Jets will break down.
CollegeFootballTalk @CFTalk 40m40 minutes ago
Report: Jim Mora to interview for New York Jets job http://wp.me/p14QTT-1rLh
Report: Jim Mora to interview for New York Jets job http://wp.me/p14QTT-1rLh
GregHarris said:
I suspect it's more accurate to say Dan Quinn is the Jets favorite---it's hard to imagine that he's going to go there, isn't it? He's bound to have several other (which is to say, better) options.
The 83' draft episode? Not sure if it's that one, but it's also a must see. I had no idea how many potential deals the Pats were mentioned as being part of.
dcmissle said:
I wonder if a third element is the restriction on practice time and offseason workouts negotiated in the last agreement. It's a great plan for the safety and health of the players, but I wonder if younger quarterbacks will advance less quickly as a result.
Jermaine Cunningham arrested for revenge porn: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/01/nfl-player-hit-with-revenge-porn-charges/
Jason Cole @JasonPhilCole 1m1 minute ago
Source indicated if #Seahawks DC Dan Quinn gets HC job (#Jets strong chance), will try to hire Kyle Shanahan as OC, away from #Browns
Source indicated if #Seahawks DC Dan Quinn gets HC job (#Jets strong chance), will try to hire Kyle Shanahan as OC, away from #Browns
Jason Cole @JasonPhilCole 8s8 seconds ago
Insider Buzz: Dan Quinn and Kyle Shanahan Could Be Next Jets HC & OC Combo http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2323321-insider-buzz-dan-quinn-and-kyle-shanahan-could-be-next-jets-hc-oc-combo?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=web-des-art-top-16 … via @bleacherreport
Insider Buzz: Dan Quinn and Kyle Shanahan Could Be Next Jets HC & OC Combo http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2323321-insider-buzz-dan-quinn-and-kyle-shanahan-could-be-next-jets-hc-oc-combo?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=web-des-art-top-16 … via @bleacherreport
Ed Hillel said:
Not only that, the OC is a son of a former highly successful NFL coach. Awesome parallels.
Edit: to be clear I am comparing Shanahan and Schotty
Atleast he did not shoot himself in the foot. The Jets finally better at something than the Giants!
Pretty dumb in his part. He's licensed and registered, just didn't have it locked up for transport.
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet 8s8 seconds ago
#Jets are expected to hire #Texans college scouting director Mike Maccagnan as the new GM, per source. No surprise, he’s been in town 3 days
#Jets are expected to hire #Texans college scouting director Mike Maccagnan as the new GM, per source. No surprise, he’s been in town 3 days
Quinn is apparently on the record as saying Jets are his first choice.
With Ryan in Buffalo, Quinn and Maccagnan in NY, the overall FO talent level in the AFCE has gone up, not down.
With Ryan in Buffalo, Quinn and Maccagnan in NY, the overall FO talent level in the AFCE has gone up, not down.
TGG in yet another meltdown mode!
http://forums.theganggreen.com/threads/expected-to-be-new-buffalo-bills-hc-rex-ryan-per-schefter.83120/
http://forums.theganggreen.com/threads/expected-to-be-new-buffalo-bills-hc-rex-ryan-per-schefter.83120/
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 2m2 minutes ago
John Fox declined HC interview with Jets, per NFL source. Hard to imagine turning down one HC chance unless there's real chance for another.
John Fox declined HC interview with Jets, per NFL source. Hard to imagine turning down one HC chance unless there's real chance for another.
Validation that the Jets are a hot mess. Either he's already got something lined up or he didn't want to go near Woody. Love it.Corsi said:
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