2013 Seattle Seahawks - SUPER BOWL CHAMPS!

DanoooME

above replacement level
SoSH Member
Mar 16, 2008
19,962
Henderson, NV
Hawks lose to Indy on the road 34-28.  I did see some of the game on NFLN on replay and the O-Line looked as bad as its ever been.
 
Next, the final stop on the AFC South tour, Tennessee at home on Sunday followed by a Thursday nighter at Arizona, then an 11 day break to a Monday nighter at St. Louis.
 

ThePrideofShiner

Crests prematurely
SoSH Member
Jul 16, 2005
10,796
Washington
Center Max Unger is supposed to be back this week, which will be nice. And Percy Harvin has returned to the team to start working toward playing. He comes off the PUP list Monday, but when he will actually play is not known.
 
The big problem I saw in the Indy game was making four field goals and attempting another. Needed some more touchdowns in those situations.
 

DanoooME

above replacement level
SoSH Member
Mar 16, 2008
19,962
Henderson, NV
Seahawks pull it out against Tennessee 20-13.  The game wasn't really that close.  The f-ed up FG at the end of the first half was a 10 point swing in Ten's favor.  Otherwise it was pretty much Seattle controlling the game via the running attack and the defense holding the Titans to 2 FGs.
 
The Hawks went 3-1 against the AFC South and now have a pretty easy run on the schedule:
 
@ Arizona Thursday
@ St. Louis the following Monday
vs. Tampa
@ Atlanta (not as intimidating as it looked at the beginning of the season, plus they will be up for retribution)
vs Minnesota
BYE WEEK
 
They could be 10-1 heading into the bye week and then have 2 weeks to prepare for the Saints at home in another Monday nighter.
 

DanoooME

above replacement level
SoSH Member
Mar 16, 2008
19,962
Henderson, NV
Hawks pull off another win 34-22 over the Arizona Cardinals.  Didn't get to watch much of the game (during commercials of the Sox game), but listening to the post-game, the talking heads were building them up hard.  All that despite the following in this game:
 
10 penalties for 70 yards
3 fumbles (2 lost)
Losing the TOP battle (33 to 27)
 
The defense did pretty well in this game, giving up 30 yards rushing at 1.7 per carry.  They picked Palmer twice and thoroughly controlled Fitzgerald, who usually has a good game against the Hawks.  The first touchdown they gave up was after a fumble on their own 3 yard line, so it's tough to pin that on them and the second was in garbage time with 4 1/2 minutes to go and an 18 point lead.
 
Percy Harvin will be eligible to begin practicing next week.  I hope they don't rush him back.  They are averaging almost 28 points a game without him, they should be okay until he's 100 percent.
 

Tony C

Moderator
Moderator
SoSH Member
Apr 13, 2000
13,730
The Hawks looked dominant from what I saw (flipping back and forth). Really two  problems: One was Wilson fumbling the ball at times when he really should have had the ball tucked away; two the OL is pretty horrible right now. The former is easily fixable, the latter can be helped by guys coming back from injuries, but will remain a concern.
 

DanoooME

above replacement level
SoSH Member
Mar 16, 2008
19,962
Henderson, NV
And his career in Seattle will be over.  Next year he has a cap figure of $9.7M, but only $2.4M in dead money, so they save $7.3M against the cap next year.
 
With Harvin plugged in to replace him, there should be an improvement right there.
 
Oh, and the Seahawks get a total garbage win against the Rams 14-9.  The OL needs a boost badly, but no help came via trade so it comes down to getting Okung and Giacomini back.  Hopefully this is something they address in the draft, because it says something when Giacomini is an improvement over what they have.
 
And Golden Tate still needs a punch in the face.
 

DanoooME

above replacement level
SoSH Member
Mar 16, 2008
19,962
Henderson, NV
Another garbage win, 27-24 in OT against the winless Buccaneers.  The only good thing was it was the biggest comeback in team history, 21 points (previous best was 20 points), as well as the fact that even 2 years ago, they'd have lost this game 38-14.  They find ways to win, maybe they are stealing the Red Sox mantra now that they don't need it any more this season.
 
There isn't a single element of the game they are doing well at right now on a consistent basis.  They have 2 more games before the bye, both winnable and they need to get their collective heads out of their asses before they face the Saints and Niners back to back after the bye.
 

DanoooME

above replacement level
SoSH Member
Mar 16, 2008
19,962
Henderson, NV
Now, THAT'S more like it.  A nice 33-10 pounding of the Falcons on the road at Atlanta.  490 total yards to 226 for the Falcons.  211 yards rushing at 5.0 YPC.  No turnovers.  Only gave up 1 sack.  The only serious issue was penalties again, 9 for 80 yards.
 
Next week, they host the Vikings, followed by their bye week (which is the last bye week of the year), then a Monday nighter hosting the Saints, then the HUGE game at Candlestick against the 49ers.  Carolina was a nice bunch of guys letting the 'Hawks beat them 12-7 week one and stepping up to beat the Niners 10-9 today, giving Seattle a 2 1/2 game lead in the division.
 

DanoooME

above replacement level
SoSH Member
Mar 16, 2008
19,962
Henderson, NV
And he sure made an impact with a one-handed catch on 3rd down and a big 58 yard KO return in his 21 snaps (19 offense, 2 special teams).
 
Seahawks win 41-20, going to 10-1 and maintaining 1st place overall in the NFC.  This was their 13th consecutive win at home.  Besides Harvin, they got back both starting tackles, Russell Okung and Breno Giacomini.  The run game wasn't very good (3.3 YPC), but the passing game was incredibly efficient (Wilson was 13-18, 230 yds, 2 TDs).  They had no turnovers while generating 4 on defense.  The penalties were still an issue (7 for 96 yards)
 
They get to enjoy the week off before hosting New Orleans on Monday night for the likely #1 seed in the NFC.
 

DanoooME

above replacement level
SoSH Member
Mar 16, 2008
19,962
Henderson, NV
DaveRoberts'Shoes said:
https://twitter.com/eyeonnfl/status/404635253689417728

Another secondary guy gets dinged for violating the drug policy.
 
According to NFL.com, it's non-PED related, so it's not Adderall like the guys in the past.
 
It's getting fucking annoying though.  That means it's down to Sherman, Lane and Maxwell at CB with Browner still out.  Looks like they'll be signing someone off the practice squad.  Maybe Antoine Winfield will want to come out of retirement.
 

Morning Woodhead

Member
SoSH Member
Aug 16, 2011
967
Lack of institutional control!

But seriously, this isn't a good look for Seattle, especially after all the suspensions last year.
 

Ed Hillel

Wants to be startin somethin
SoSH Member
Dec 12, 2007
44,560
Here
RedOctober3829 said:
Per Mike Silver, Brandon Browner suspended for 1 year for violating the league substance abuse policy again. Richard Sherman, u mad bro?
 
He's very mad. As a clean athlete trying to make it in today's NFL, he must be very disappointed in his fellow teammate.
 

dcmissle

Deflatigator
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Aug 4, 2005
28,269
So the law caught up with a Pete Carroll team before he left town?
 
Gee whiz.  Everything was so positive.  Coach is moulding young men, for Pete's sake.  The cheerleaders are crying.  It could have been worse only if it happened during homecoming week.
 

Cellar-Door

Member
SoSH Member
Aug 1, 2006
35,097
Ferm Sheller said:
Wow, that's a huge loss.
Not really, he was going to miss the rest of the regular season and maybe the playoffs with a groin injury. Then he was going to walk as a FA.
 

soxfan121

JAG
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Dec 22, 2002
23,043
Cellar-Door said:
Not really, he was going to miss the rest of the regular season and maybe the playoffs with a groin injury. Then he was going to walk as a FA.
 
It will be when the Seahawks get docked a draft pick for the eight suspensions in the past two seasons. 
 
Seattle has a PED problem and I don't think the Ginger Hammer is going to ignore the "lack of institutional control" much longer.
 

epraz

Member
SoSH Member
Oct 15, 2002
6,208
soxfan121 said:
 
It will be when the Seahawks get docked a draft pick for the eight suspensions in the past two seasons. 
 
Seattle has a PED problem and I don't think the Ginger Hammer is going to ignore the "lack of institutional control" much longer.
 
You think the other owners will let that happen?
 

Ferm Sheller

Member
SoSH Member
Mar 5, 2007
21,076
Cellar-Door said:
Not really, he was going to miss the rest of the regular season and maybe the playoffs with a groin injury. Then he was going to walk as a FA.
 
They have all but wrapped up a playoff spot and likely a first round bye.  He was expected to be back by the last game of the season and therefore ready for the playoffs.  It's a big loss that their all pro CB now assuredly won't be appearing in the playoffs.
 

DanoooME

above replacement level
SoSH Member
Mar 16, 2008
19,962
Henderson, NV
Looks like they get to go with Sherman, Jeremy Lane and Byron Maxwell for most of the rest of the regular season.  They are also allegedly in contact with Antoine WInfield, Marcus Trufant (ugh), and Perrish Cox (who?) to try and fill in.  There's also a chance they might be able to activate 5th round pick Tharold Simon from the PUP list, although throwing in a rookie at this stage is totally unfair to him, no matter how much he's been studying.
 
After all of the BS with Browner before this season, and his potential salary going forward, it was going to be a toss-up between re-signing Thurmond and Browner.  I'd say Browner is definitely out and Thurmond may end up going too after his suspension, putting Seattle in the market for a CB in the draft.
 
The bigger loss is Thurmond, since he's played a lot better than Browner this season.  It will be a drop-off to Maxwell and Lane, so hopefully they can being someone in to help out.  One thing is for certain - Richard Sherman isn't going to have a lot of balls thrown his way.
 

soxfan121

JAG
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Dec 22, 2002
23,043
epraz said:
 
You think the other owners will let that happen?
 
Yes. This is not the fiefdom of Bud, this is the Ginger Hammer's purview and he loves to exercise his power.
 

wibi

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 15, 2005
11,853
soxfan121 said:
 
It will be when the Seahawks get docked a draft pick for the eight suspensions in the past two seasons. 
 
Seattle has a PED problem and I don't think the Ginger Hammer is going to ignore the "lack of institutional control" much longer.
 
 

Cellar-Door

Member
SoSH Member
Aug 1, 2006
35,097
soxfan121 said:
 
Yes. This is not the fiefdom of Bud, this is the Ginger Hammer's purview and he loves to exercise his power.
People mistake his beating on the players union as being independent, he isn't, he answers to the owners completely.
 

Cellar-Door

Member
SoSH Member
Aug 1, 2006
35,097
Yeah Jeets said:
Initiative 502 passed a year+ after the current CBA was signed. Is there a reason why they wouldn't be able to challenge this?
Why should they? Plenty of things that are legal are on the banned substances list, it is collectively bargained by the union and all the players know what is on the list.
 

ThePrideofShiner

Crests prematurely
SoSH Member
Jul 16, 2005
10,796
Washington
CBS has an interesting story about Brandon Browner's suspension.
 

Browner was advanced to Stage 3 of the program for “failure to cooperate,” according to a source with knowledge of the situation, for missing a series of drug tests back in 2006 and 2007, when he was in fact out of the league. Sources say Browner claimed he never received any letters notifying him of the missed tests, and, was unaware that he was responsible to continue taking drug tests long after being released by the Broncos and through his time in CFL.
 
Browner was unaware of the requests for further tests, but it was those missed tests that advanced him deep into the program to the point where he was facing more lengthy suspensions. Browner faced a four-game suspension back in 2007 (he was released by Denver in July of 2006) but many of the letters and other communication were sent to an old address of a former girlfriend.
 
---------------------------------------------------------
 
After reviewing the NFL's drug policy, which is available to the public, there are questions as to how the “Continuing Participation” rules in the document would even apply to Browner, given his unique roster circumstances more than seven years ago when his status in the program was being determined as he was released by the Broncos. Browner never played a game for the Broncos after signing as an undrafted free agent in April of 2005, and was placed on IR in 2005 prior to the team cutting down to 65 players. He was then was activated to the roster in February of 2006, for offseason participation, and then waived that July.
 
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24310101/the-curious-case-of-brandon-browners-suspension
 
M

MentalDisabldLst

Guest
In Simmons' latest column, a reader suggests the team name should be the Seadderall Seahawks.
 
It has a nice ring to it.
 

Shelterdog

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Feb 19, 2002
15,375
New York City
ThePrideofShiner said:
 
So I get this straight he's been in stage 3 since august 2011 and known it, he's been tested 200 times, he just test positive and his lawyers are now saying he shouldn't be punished for the positive test because he should never have been tested to begin with?
 
Good luck with that.
 

DanoooME

above replacement level
SoSH Member
Mar 16, 2008
19,962
Henderson, NV
They finish off the Saints 34-7 at home and clinch a playoff berth.  They are a win in SF away from clinching the division and 2 wins away from the #1 seed overall as they own the tiebreakers over Carolina and New Orleans (beat each head-to-head).
 
Man, I want them to curb stomp those Niners in their house so badly.  But I'll take an ugly win too.
 

ThePrideofShiner

Crests prematurely
SoSH Member
Jul 16, 2005
10,796
Washington
With all the talk about how good the Seahawks secondary is, I think the front seven gets overlooked. They played fantastic tonight and kept the pressure on Brees.
 
I thought the Seahawks would win, but I certainly wasn't expecting a whooping like that.
 

Tony C

Moderator
Moderator
SoSH Member
Apr 13, 2000
13,730
The OL getting healthy is huge -- if Harvin can be healthy, too...watch out. Carroll and co. have built a powerhouse.
 

DanoooME

above replacement level
SoSH Member
Mar 16, 2008
19,962
Henderson, NV
I'm sure I'll catch a lot of shit for this comparison, but they seem a lot like the football version of the 2013 Red Sox - lots of depth, excellent offense (now #2 in scoring), great defense, and maybe most importantly no big weaknesses.  There really isn't an element of the team you can point to and say they really suck at it (you could have said the O-Line a couple of weeks ago, but with Okung and Giacomini back, that's been fixed for the most part).  Their special teams have been outstanding.  They do have an issue with penalties and they do talk too much, so it's not a perfect comparison by any stretch of the imagination.
 
The depth really showed up this week, having to go to their #4 and #5 CBs and both of them played well.  I was really worried Lane was going to get picked on a lot as the weak link, but the only time I really noticed him was his block on Bennett's fumble recovery for a TD.  So many guys in the front 4 being able to rush the passer and get pressure on the QB (Clemons, Avril, Bennett, Irvin, McDonald, Mebane, Bryant).
 

CaptainLaddie

dj paul pfieffer
SoSH Member
Sep 6, 2004
37,094
where the darn libs live
Of course, the Red Sox haven't gotten in trouble time and time again for substance issues.

Not that I actually care about substance issues.  It's the NFL and I'm quite sure that 99% of players are juicing.
 

johnmd20

mad dog
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Dec 30, 2003
62,114
New York City
CaptainLaddie said:
Of course, the Red Sox haven't gotten in trouble time and time again for substance issues.
Not that I actually care about substance issues.  It's the NFL and I'm quite sure that 99% of players are juicing.
 
And you think they're not juicing in baseball? How quaint.
 

Morgan's Magic Snowplow

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 2, 2006
22,478
Philadelphia
This is pretty clearly the best team in football and I actually find them pretty likeable.  I hope they beat the shit out of the 49ers next week and make them sweat a bit about making the playoffs.
 

lambeau

Member
SoSH Member
Feb 7, 2010
1,175
Connecticut
The 49ers have superior personnel, coaching, and are coming back from more injuries.
 
Unfortunately, Russell Wilson is learning faster than Kaepernick--which accounts for the divergence this season.
 
But I think the Niners surprise this week.
 
As for the twelfth man--are communication systems in all helmets legal?
 

SMU_Sox

queer eye for the next pats guy
SoSH Member
Jul 20, 2009
9,007
Dallas
Pete Carroll is a good NFL coach. Shocking as it may seem he has done a spectacular job in SEA. Is he as good as his peer in SF? Maybe not with x's and o's but they rarely have a game where they aren't playing at full tilt. Let's give the guy same credit.
 

SMU_Sox

queer eye for the next pats guy
SoSH Member
Jul 20, 2009
9,007
Dallas
Re the 49ers. Dvoa says they are the 6th best team. Weighted dvoa% is 17.6%. Offense is 5.1%, 14th best amd defense is is -8.9% good for 6th best. They also have very good special teams. Because of their defense and special teama they typically get, or have a better chance of getting, better field position than most teams no matter what their offense does. The thing is though that their offense is going to get a lot better when their guys get healthy. By the end of the season they could be a top 8 offense.

Their past schedule was ranked 16th hardest. Their remaining schedule is 5th hardest.
 

coremiller

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 14, 2005
5,864
BigSoxFan said:
Their remaining schedule is Seattle, Tampa, Atlanta, and Arizona. I really have to question any metric that calls that the 5th hardest remaining schedule.
 
FO calculates schedule difficulty by simply averaging opponent DVOA, so having Seattle (#1 with 40.7% DVOA) in there alone makes the schedule difficult.  There's been some criticism of this method because extreme outliers can screw up the numbers (like early in the season when anyone who had played Jacksonville automatically had played one of the easiest schedules in the league regardless of who their other opponents were).  
 
Plus Arizona is a good team (#11) and DVOA thinks Tampa (#19), while mediocre, is much better than their 3-9 record.  Atlanta is the only true weakling in there.
 
lambeau said:
The 49ers have superior personnel, coaching, and are coming back from more injuries.
 
Unfortunately, Russell Wilson is learning faster than Kaepernick--which accounts for the divergence this season.
 
But I think the Niners surprise this week.
 
As for the twelfth man--are communication systems in all helmets legal?
 
I wouldn't say the 49ers have superior personnel.  SF has a better O-line when healthy (but not right now with Staley and Iupati injured).  Seattle definitely has a better secondary, and maybe a better D-line (certainly more depth).  SF definitely has better linebackers.  Lynch is a shade better than Gore at this point in their careers.  The WRs are basically a wash as both have decent serviceable parts without a true standout (SF's might be better if Crabtree were fully healthy, but he's not there yet).  SF has better tight ends (Davis is one of the 5 best TEs in the league).  Seattle has a slight edge at QB right now.  
 
The differences between the teams this season have been a) Wilson has been much more consistent than Kaepernick (while FO ranks SF's offense as 14th and its passing offense as 5th, SF also ranks 30th in variance), and b) Seattle is 5-1 in close games, while SF is 1-2. 
 

SMU_Sox

queer eye for the next pats guy
SoSH Member
Jul 20, 2009
9,007
Dallas
TB is much better than their record in the sense that they should be around 5-7 (FO estimated wins).
 
Look at their losses. They have a week one loss where Lavonte David shoves Geno Smith OOBs to make a 56 yard FG a 42+ yarder.
They had a last second FG loss to the Saints.
They are 2-4 in games decided by 3 points or less and 2-5 in games decided by one score. They went to SEA and lost by only 3 and went on the road in DET and won by 3. This isn't a cupcake team.
 

Devizier

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 3, 2000
19,651
Somewhere
I don't think you can credibly argue that the 49ers have better personnel than the Seahawks. Yes, the teams are close in a lot of areas (skill positions, particularly), but the Seahawks come out ahead in most of them. Both teams have kind of sucky offensive lines. The Seahawks' secondary, though, is flat ridiculous. That pretty much sets them apart from the rest of the league, never mind the 49ers.
 

Super Nomario

Member
SoSH Member
Nov 5, 2000
14,027
Mansfield MA
coremiller said:
 
I wouldn't say the 49ers have superior personnel.  SF has a better O-line when healthy (but not right now with Staley and Iupati injured).  Seattle definitely has a better secondary, and maybe a better D-line (certainly more depth).  SF definitely has better linebackers.  Lynch is a shade better than Gore at this point in their careers.  The WRs are basically a wash as both have decent serviceable parts without a true standout (SF's might be better if Crabtree were fully healthy, but he's not there yet).  SF has better tight ends (Davis is one of the 5 best TEs in the league).  Seattle has a slight edge at QB right now.  
 
The differences between the teams this season have been a) Wilson has been much more consistent than Kaepernick (while FO ranks SF's offense as 14th and its passing offense as 5th, SF also ranks 30th in variance), and b) Seattle is 5-1 in close games, while SF is 1-2. 
I agree with this. I think Seattle's depth is a pretty big differentiator. When everyone's healthy, the teams are pretty comparable. But when Aldon Smith was gone earlier this year, the 49ers were running Dan Skuta out there for major snaps; meanwhile, Seattle was able to weather Bruce Irvin's suspension and Chris Clemons' recovery because they still had Michael Bennett and Cliff Avril. Same with the receiving corps; both had major losses (Harvin for the Seahawks, Crabtree for the 49ers), but Seattle was still able to run out Doug Baldwin, while San Francisco gave major snaps to Kyle Williams and Vance McDonald.
 

lambeau

Member
SoSH Member
Feb 7, 2010
1,175
Connecticut
40ers admittedly have unfavorables in QB, secondary, and depth; but like the Patriots, they will round into form.
 
Defensively, the LB's are superior (imagine a sober Alden Smith), balancing out Thomas and Sherman--and you have to give McDonald and JSmith the edge at DE.
 
Offensively, I give Lynch the slight edge, but Vernon Davis a bigger edge; with Iupati and Staley healthy, the O-line is superior.
 
Obviously, the WR's are tricky--but Boldin, Manningham, and Crabtree are hard to beat with Tate and Baldwin, unless Harvin is back--and I'm pessimistic with the reinjury.
 
So they'll crush Detroit, and I like their chances in a rematch with NFC South. Yes, they'll probably lose  the NFC in Seattle--due to Wilson, the NFL MVP.