2013 Boston College Football...From A Spaz to a A Dazz

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They've competed against all these big teams, but lack the talent to do so for four quarters.  At some point in the 3rd quarter we had just run out of tricks.  This might have been a really interesting season if we had a QB better than Rettig.  He probably doesn't suck as bad as many of the non Ryan QBs we've had the last 10-15 years, but he's not good enough for what this team needs out of its QB to compete.
 
Daz can hoot and holler and be flex his machismo muscle all he wants, but he also has to use this type of game as a teaching moment for his team.  The 3rd and long false starts, the delays of game, all the timeouts wasted.....BC isn't talented enough to make these kinds of mistakes.  He's got this team playing hard and they're hitting hard as well, which is awesome, but now they've got to clean this up.
 

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Absolute shitty gameplan on offense today.   For all the bluster, it was an almost Spaz like game plan on offense,  much of the game they did nothing but try to kill clock when they had the ball.    There were a couple of nice play action calls in the first quarter.  And the one nice call to Willis. In the second half they managed to get Amidon a good matchup one time,  but that was it. Other than that it was dive Williams up the middle and then leave Chase alone in the backfield with 3-4 unblocked Clemson pass rushers on every obvious passing down  
 
The OL went from bullies last week to bullied this week.  Absolutely overmatched by the Clemson defense,  Patchan looked like a guy who will be begging for a undrafted free agent offer next fall. 
 
Defense played well.   Brown is employing a bit of the Belichick defense from the Rams Superball.   Have the corners grab hold every time they get matched up with speed and hope the officials won't call it,  because they won't .  Of course you can't act like a clown when the actually flag you for having a DB with a handful of jersey. Definitely a bend but not break and hope Clemson makes mistakes,  which they did repeatedly in the Red zone in the first half. 
 

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Echo BSF's thoughts. They do not have a lot of talent and good, legit teams figure them out, make adjustments at halftime and pull away in the second half (USC out scored them 21-7, FSU 24-17 and Clemson 21-7). Having said that they are 3-3, have played the iron of their schedule and control their own destiny as to bowl eligibity. There is no one left that they can't beat. Will they go 9-3? Probably not. But 7-5 is not out if the question or even 8-4 which was my original prediction.

As to Rettig I again agree with BSF. He is an adequate game manager but he is not a go to guy or a leader. He never really developed beyond his freshman status and never developed that game sense you want from a QB. In football like most sports there are guys who have the fire in the belly and play to win and there are guys who have some talent but play to play. Chase falls into the latter category. Whether it was the coaching carousel or the hype of a So Cal QB coming on campus I'm not sure what it was but hell he replaced Uncle Dave (who single handedly lost the VT game 4 years ago) so anything was an upgrade and any QB looked like the next Matty Ice compared to that disaster. But Chase never sustained the hype. So here's hoping he and the team can get 3 more wins and go to some bowl and play someone like SMU or Indiana or Colorado State in the weedeater bowl. It's a big step in the right direction considering where they were just one year ago.

Finally there was an interesting quote from Dazz about the season so far. He said the biggest disappointment to date was the unpreparedness of the team in playing a high caliber opponent on the road. He specifically mentioned the USC game and how he felt they were somewhat intimidated by the surroundings. That goes directly to the crappy scheduling of OOC opponents over the last 5-6 years that we all talked about. BC used to play anyone anytime but in recent years they paired the scheduling back to make themselves bowl eligible. We now have football people back who realize that you have to play a national schedule and compete in order to get people in the stands and attract recruits. Bates was on twitter last week talking about future OOC football opponents. They need to get away from the CAA and schedule Army as the traditional "FCS" team, a national power conference opponent or 2 and a non BCS fill in. That way it gets your team used to big games and better prepared to head into hostile environments. Lets hope we see more of Texas Stanford tOSU and others and less of Ball State and Rhode Island.
 

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I will second and third what Bernie and BSF said above. I like Chase but I think the years of getting the snot knocked out of him are catching up. That fumble and then the holding call on Amidon's reverse were killers but like in the other 3 losses this team didn't quit. We all know what would happen if one break went against us last year, coach sad sack would lead a team turtle

Ok we are 6 games in and we've beaten who we should and lost, in a much closer effort in 2, to who we should've lost to. Can we split the final 6?

Ron Mexcio St should be a win I think we can steal two out of the 'cuse, Terp, UNC and Rolly Clown College games plus VT here in a down year for Beemer Ball?

I want 3 more wins cause it's a months more practice time
 

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Not for nothin' but it looks like UConn snaked the Yankee Stadium game v Army from us. In fact BC isn't even playing the Cadets next year. Right now our OOC games are USC and URI at home and UMass at The Razor. There is one open date. I hope they schedule a legit OOC opponent. They already have the FCS and MAC game on the schedule.

Maybe they play ND as part of the ACC package?
 

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Not for nothin' but it looks like UConn snaked the Yankee Stadium game v Army from us. In fact BC isn't even playing the Cadets next year. Right now our OOC games are USC and URI at home and UMass at The Razor. There is one open date. I hope they schedule a legit OOC opponent. They already have the FCS and MAC game on the schedule.

Maybe they play ND as part of the ACC package?


Notre Dame's 2014 schedule is full.
 

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I will second and third what Bernie and BSF said above. I like Chase but I think the years of getting the snot knocked out of him are catching up. That fumble and then the holding call on Amidon's reverse were killers but like in the other 3 losses this team didn't quit. We all know what would happen if one break went against us last year, coach sad sack would lead a team turtle

 
 
 
I feel for Chase.   He has been under siege since his first start. The OL has been a sieve the whole time, and yesterday was no different. My goodnesss Matt Patchan must have been beaten a dozen time by Beasley. 
 
The turnover in the coaching, has been ridiculous.  he finally got someone who might have been a good mentor for him last year, and then he was run out of town, and replaced by a staff who clearly doesn't want him. Daz and Day realize he is the best guy they have so they are tolerating him, but at the same time, they clearly seem frustrated that Chase can't run the offense they want to run.   Plus they make very little effort to ever call plays to Chase strength, and rather use him primarily as a last resort option. 
 
I do think had Chase gone somewhere else he could have been a darn productive college player somewhere.
 
Also I do wonder if they will ever be able to recruit decent WR's for this offense. I know if I was advising a kid I wouldn't send him to BC to rot in the offense they are running.   Amidon is an absolute stud, and they have really underutilized him.  And I don't think it will get any better in the future, when they will be running 75% of the time. In an era when other teams are throwing the ball for 5K yards a season,  who wants to be a WR in a system that is looking to throw for 1500 yards a year
 

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Let me add that it got very loud in the second half. That said I have no idea why it took Chase so long to get the plays going. Daz was apoplectic on the sidelines.

Great point about scheduling. This team has had very little experience playing in a contested game on the road.

Clemson fans are tremendous. It got to the point that they were almost too nice :)

We had a blast; result notwithstanding.
 

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I know I'm dating myself here but in furtherance of the scheduling issue, BC did play anyone anywhere. I point you to the 1987 season. In addition to the traditional "East Indies" opponents (Syracuse, Pitt, Temple, Rutgers, WVU) their home schedule included Penn State and Tennessee. Their road schedule included TCU, ND and USC. All of this in the same season.

That was a typical BC schedule in the 70's and 80's. Then things got funky once the conferences rolled in and the need to get to bowls came on, etc. if BC played schedules like the above they would never be intimidated going into hostile big time environments. In fact BC beat TCU and Tennessee that year, lost to USC by 6 when they drove the field and turned the ball over on downs in the last minute of the game (I was at that game too way back when) and lost to Penn State and ND. But they were close and the team never quit.

They need those kind of OOC games nowadays. I know they can't get all of them but a couple a year would work.

Next game is very telling to me. It is against a beatable opponent but on the road. They need to win road games against quality opponents to build confidence and take the next steps required to get the program back. Once they beat good teams on the road they need to beat a ranked team. Haven't done that since 2008 with Jags.
 

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2015 has ND as a quasi ACC foe,  not sure how that will count
 
Then they also play,  NM St,  Elon, Army, and Buffalo
 
Buffalo is actually having a strong year as #75 in the Sagarin Rankings.  NM ST is #201,  Army 119, and Elon 197
 
Army is maybe an acceptable 3rd best OOC for a season.   The other 3 teams are only acceptable as a 4th best opponent, and if they actually play that schedule someone should be fired
 

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Good to hear this from Addazio with respect to the offense.  I think this year is all about the process.  The first bye was about fixing what was broken after the USC game.  This second bye will be to prepare for the second half, fine tune some things and add more wrinkles.
 
“We need to get more creative plays and we just played some of the best defenses in all of America,” Addazio said. “That will make us better. That will force us to get better. We are going to have a stronger resolve than we’ve ever had. “We are going to take the bye week and get rested and come back, work and get ourselves our fourth win. That’s what we are going to do, that’s how we are going to respect everybody’s effort right now.”
 
The Eagles offense won’t veer dramatically from the power running of tailback Andre Williams and the play-action passing of quarterback Chase Rettig. Those are among Addazio’s core football values, but he believes there is room for innovation and creativity within the structure. Addazio wants to add some fresh looks over the second half of the season, a slate that includes road games at UNC, New Mexico State, Maryland and Syracuse with home tilts against Virginia Tech and North Carolina State.
 
“We have to create a few more explosives, we have to go back and create more,” Addazio said. “We had a few here (Clemson), we had a few at Florida State and we need more.”
 
 
http://bostonherald.com/sports/college/college_football/2013/10/steve_addazio_wants_more_creativity_on_offense#sthash.oXrAt29v.dpuf
 

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Is that true? Wow.
They could have the opportunity to do both of these things in the next two weeks of the schedule following the bye.  UNC is struggling but I think it would count as a quality road win.  The following week BC plays Virginia Tech at home, currently 19 and 20 in the polls.
 

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They could have the opportunity to do both of these things in the next two weeks of the schedule following the bye.  UNC is struggling but I think it would count as a quality road win.  The following week BC plays Virginia Tech at home, currently 19 and 20 in the polls.
 
Any ACC win on the road would be impressive at this point.  Beating VT would make the season, and I say that despite not generally caring about Virginia Tech.
 

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They could have the opportunity to do both of these things in the next two weeks of the schedule following the bye.  UNC is struggling but I think it would count as a quality road win.  The following week BC plays Virginia Tech at home, currently 19 and 20 in the polls.
 
UNC is the worst team in the ACC so far this year,   but it is a BCS conference team, so it would be the best road win they have had since beating Miami in the final game of the 2011 seaon.  UNC's last home game was a 24 point beatdown by East Carolina.  They do have a good Miami team at home this weekend
 
VT should be a winnable game for this team.  Not saying they are the favorite, but VT is a mediocre team that does a good job closing games out, but they are not explosive at all. (just barely squeaked by both Marshall and East Carolina).  BC gets a chance to catch them in a trap scenario (the week before the Critical Miami game)
 

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BC Opens up as a 10 point underdog at UNC.  The line has moved down to 8. 
 
I was surprised at this number.  Maybe Vegas is putting too much stock in the UNC game against Miami?
 
Anyway ... the season really starts for BC this weekend.  Let's see how they do during the final six games.
 
UNC -- Not good
VTech -- Better than I thought but beatable
NMSU -- Awful
NCSt. -- Mediocre and beatable
MD -- Looking worse and worse each week
Syracuse -- Really struggling of late
 
Bottom line is that if BC is any good they should win at least 3 of these games (if not 4).  The real question is whether they really are any good.
 

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9 straight road losses. Out scored on the road again in the second half 14-3. Outscored 28-3 after the first quarter. All if this against a 1-5 football team.

Here's the thing, they have yet to be able to put 4 quartets together on the road. Until they do they are not a bowl caliber team. After 7 games they are 3-4. They have Va Tech at home next week but after that they have 3 road games. Even with a bad NMSU on the schedule that game is a road game and 2 time zones away. Not a guarantee any more. For them to get bowl eligible it wil be very tough. Not impossible but very difficult.

For them to be bowl eligible they will have to win on the road, something they haven't done against anybody since they beat Miami on turkey day Friday in 2011. Until they actually win a road game, I can't make them a favorite in any road game. If they lose next week, they will need 2 road wins. I am not sure they can do that with this current group of players.
 

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This was a bad, bad performance,  and really just ugly all around.     
 
UNC has some talent on offense, but their defense isn't very good, and has been devastated by injuries. And they abused BC today, just beat them pillar to post. 
 
To come out of the bye week looking that bad is all on the coaching staff.   
 
When this team has run play action on run downs this year they have been very effective.  Yet for some reason they seem unwilling to use it, and go sometimes quarters, even halves without calling a play fake.   It is nice they can run the same power running play out of 13 different formations, but ultimately teams are gonna stop it if you don't mix up they play calls. 
 
Rettig has been bad.  There is little talent at WR. The OL can't passblock (Patchan gets absolutely abused a couple times a week). But the play calling is just awful.   Honestly I know FSU underestimated BC and played a shit game against the Eagles, but still if the offensive staff had use that playbook in other games it might have made a big difference (They might have beaten Clemson if they didn't turtle)
 
Specifically inexcusable was the halftime decision to let the clock run out rather than trying a Hail Mary when they had 4th and 1 at midfield.   
 
They don't have talent at WR, and honestly with the offense they have chosen to run,  I am not sure that is going to change,   I have no idea why a big time WR (or even next level), would want to come to a school where they will run the ball 75% of the time,  and if they aren't going to throw with Chase,  there is no reason to believe they are ever going to throw more
 
The funny thing is, as much as Williams is having a great year,  i think Williams fits their offense just slightly better than Chase does.  And if they had their guy at QB,  they would still have some issues because Williams is very poorly suited to be a read option RB.  Willis on the other hand is exactly the type of guy they are going to want moving forward
 

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I have a hard time reading the offensive coaching right now. Chase has been so bad. Yesterday he was missing open receivers and when he did throw the ball to open guys he was way late.
 

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"Chase gives us the best chance to win at this time"....Daz at his presser today.

He talked again about the attitude developed by losing over the last few years, especially on the road is something that has to be overcome.

Talked about Va Tech and said they are defense and special tens based. Said it will be a low scoring game and when the opportunity arose, the O has to respond. He again alluded to the fact that playing high end opponents make you better, an indirect slap at the crappy OOC schedules over the last few years.

Stated Rositano has a concussion and is not cleared to play and Spiffy Evans broke his collarbone and is out indefinitely. Dudek will be the return man.

The window on a bowl berth is starting to close. They really need this game.
 

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right here
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UNC is th VT is a mediocre team that does a good job closing games out, but they are not explosive at all. (just barely squeaked by both Marshall and East Carolina).  BC gets a chance to catch them in a trap scenario (the week before the Critical Miami game)
You misspelled "bad team" that makes up for it by being horribly coached.
God I can't wait until he's gone. Maybe then I'll care enough to be bothered to go to Chestnut Hill to see them.
 

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Just a great effort yesterday. AW looks like a different back this year. He's hitting the gaps and has a burst that I didn't know he had.

Don Brown's defense is relentless. They still need some help at safety but they got consistent pressure yesterday and forced Thomas into turnovers. Thomas has the skills but made some very bad decisions under pressure.

You would think next week is a layup and then you need to find 1 more win among the final 3 to become bowl eligible.
 

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Just a great effort yesterday. AW looks like a different back this year. He's hitting the gaps and has a burst that I didn't know he had.

Don Brown's defense is relentless. They still need some help at safety but they got consistent pressure yesterday and forced Thomas into turnovers. Thomas has the skills but made some very bad decisions under pressure.

You would think next week is a layup and then you need to find 1 more win among the final 3 to become bowl eligible.
 
even though NMSU  is weak and its out there, we've had way to many problems on the road, but love to see us take that then Rolly Clown College to get to 6  
 
that extra months worth of practice is going to be huge  leading into next year
 

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Moose ... NMSU may very well be the worst CFB team in the country right now. I don't care if they play this game on the moon BC should win by 3 TDs.

UNC looks to be playing up to their talent level and beat TOBy's former team this week.
 

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First real quality win since the Miami game 2 years ago. Out scored the Hokies 27-17 in the second half and caused 4 turnovers I believe.

I am not as confident as you are Dave that they kick ass at NMSU. They have to win a friggin road game. Now I agree their best chance in 2 years is next week. Their season, IMHO, comes down to the next 2 weeks. If they win in Las Cruces they can clinch a bowl berth at home against NC State. If they lose either of these next 2 games then they will have to win one or perhaps 2 road games. Not sure this team can do that based on its track record.

Word is they are candidates for either the Sun Bowl (winner of the MD-BC is thought to be headed to El Paso to take on a PAC 12 team Maybe UCLA or the Military Bowl in Annapolis against Rice or Tulane?) so long as they get eligible. 7 wins....El Paso. 6 wins...Annapolis. So there IS something to play for. Not to mention the real prize...4 more weeks of practice.
 

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I'll take the points on that. Sorry fellas but I don't see BC beating the spread against anybody on the road. They have to actually win a road game until I bet on them.

Notwithstanding that, I really hope I am wrong.
 

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Pretty even half. Both teams are 4/9 in 3rd down conversions, BC has about 40 more yards in total offense and lead by 3. If this was Syracuse or Maryland I would feel good. This is NMSU. This is not good at all.
 

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Pretty even half. Both teams are 4/9 in 3rd down conversions, BC has about 40 more yards in total offense and lead by 3. If this was Syracuse or Maryland I would feel good. This is NMSU. This is not good at all.
 
The last drive was an embarrassment.   They were late getting out on the field on the first snap. Literally NMSU was at the line ready to snap, and waited for BC to run on the field.   And they played the entire drive like they were dazed and confused.  Just completely chicken with his head cut off.    
 
Did the staff spend this week recruiting rather than coaching and prepping for the game like they did the period before the UNC game?
 

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They are now in danger of losing this.   Although NMSU ST have fallen apart now
 

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Boy Williams must lead the nation in plays where he gets the ball, makes no move, runs through a single hole, and goes the distance. 
 
And he gets another one.  This time he does need to make a minor move at the LOS
 
I guess that is the good thing about having no balance the the other team playing 10 in the box.  If you do blow a hole at the LOS there is nothing behind it
 

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No style points folks. Get one more win and go bowling. Considering where this team was last year I will take it.

And they showed much more balance today. Seemed like they ran play action much more on first down than in past weeks.

35 runs and 25 passes. More even distribution.
 

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I predicted they wouldn't cover and they didn't. Here's the thing, this team is Jekyll and Hyde. At home they seem pretty competitive and will win
Plenty of games. In the road it's a different story.

Fortunately they only need one more win and they are home next week. Biggest game in the last 3 years is next week. If they lose I out their chances of bowling at less than 50% otherwise.
 

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Even 6 looks kind of iffy considering how much the Bowls hate BC. I think the Military Bowl would rather have Maryland play a "home" game (and not have any hotel revenue) versus having a half empty stadium.
 

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Nothing iffy with 6 wins. BC brings enough eyeballs that any bottom bowl would love to have them. Detroit is even a worst case possibility.
 

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Nothing iffy with 6 wins. BC brings enough eyeballs that any bottom bowl would love to have them. Detroit is even a worst case possibility.
 
The ACC has 8 tie ins and possibly a 9th due to having two teams in the BCS. There are currently 6 teams eligible and 4 others who have 5 wins (including BC). If there's 10 eligible, BC probably gets left out of those.
 
They could be given one of the Not Big East bowls considering they won't have enough teams.
 

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axx ... I can assure you that there is no way BC gets left out in favor of an MD team which is in litigation with the ACC.

But anyway ... Let's let the season play out. That said, there is no way that a bowl eligible BC team is staying home. I am sure of that.