2013 Boston College Football...From A Spaz to a A Dazz

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Had no idea AW had such a dynamic personality. Thanks, Spaz and Boston media.
I will give Bates credit, he's been awesome with this. A true master.

But seriously, he sucks a lot less than GDF and is wiling to listen to both large and small donors (though I really think my club hockey donation is being misappropriated to the real team...but I enjoy the calendar).
 

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Had no idea AW had such a dynamic personality. Thanks, Spaz and Boston media.
I can't wait to see the Gameday piece on Saturday. Todd McShay is doing it and he tweeted that AW may be the most interesting person he's ever presented.

Also BC football has been tweeting pics from the shoot all week. Looks like it is going to be very cool with lots of shots of campus.
 

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Amazing what a real football coach can do to a program isn't it. Spaz collected a paycheck for 4 years and did nothing for his players. Glad to see AW throwing him under the bus at last. Spaz didn't care and The Dazz actually gives a crap.

I always thought that he would be a good for at BC and he is proving it do far. I have mixed feelings this weekend. I do think BC will win in a close game as they are just a hair better than the 'Cuse.
 

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I'm with you Bernie. I am very nervous about this game. The team has had a ton of distractions this week (which is great!) and I am anxious to see how the staff keeps them focused.

In an interesting development, spiffy and Harrison Jackson are both on the two deep.

Really hoping for the Music City Bowl and I think a win is necessary for them to have any chance. Can't see me making the trip to Shreveport.
 

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I don't care that Syracuseq is 5-6 - we only win this game if Andre is superman once again.


So let it be written, so let it be done. Williams has carried them this far, here's hoping he has two more monster games left, even if that is too much to ask.
 

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Missed it. That is 6:50am when it ran here. Maybe it will show up on YouTube or something. The comments of Des Howard as described by BSF are pretty common here on the Left Coast. The only point of reference people have out here is the USC game and AW ran 17 times for 38 yards in a bad loss. I will say however he was the only guy who looked like he belonged out on the field for BC that day.

As for the game today. My old school used to be invincible at the Dome. But that was them and this is now. The Orange are 5-6 and today is senior day. Bowl bid last game, etc are all there but once the game starts that stuff pretty much goes away. The difference between the 'Cuse and BC is AW. No dominating runner for the Orange and the D is prone to big plays. If this game was at BC I would say BC by 10. But it's on the road. BC, until recently couldn't buy a win on the road. I think they have finally figured out how to win on the road, at least against comparable opponents. My prediction BC 27-21 and AW finishes up with 200+ yards.
 

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Thanks Spaulding. Then Howard proceeds to trash him? Just go out and kick ass. And when they call his name at the Downtown Athketic Club in 2 weeks he can turn to Howard and say "Hello neighbor!"
 

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Thanks Spaulding. Then Howard proceeds to trash him? Just go out and kick ass. And when they call his name at the Downtown Athketic Club in 2 weeks he can turn to Howard and say "Hello neighbor!"
What did Howard say?
 

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What did Howard say?
He says that voters only are talking about him because Petty and Manziel sucked last week. He also said if Williams is such a big Heisman candidate why wasn't he talked about? He says he's just ballot filler for voters.

Pollack defended him, but Howard wouldn't have any of it.
 

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The thing is that Howard's argument was incoherent and made no sense. It was as if he was saying since AW wasn't hyped coming into the season he isn't deserving.

BC has done a great job pumping up the resume. The stats are really telling and do a great job off muting any real argument against.
 

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Love this stuff. Latest tweet from Bates:

@BCBradBates: Clemson rushed for 123 yards vs. No. 2 Florida State this season. Miami rushed for 83. Andre Williams rushed for 149. #Andre44Heisman
 

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The thing is that Howard's argument was incoherent and made no sense. It was as if he was saying since AW wasn't hyped coming into the season he isn't deserving.

BC has done a great job pumping up the resume. The stats are really telling and do a great job off muting any real argument against.
 
The argument against is that he faced three teams that are ranked, and rushed 69 times for 257 yards with 0 TD in those games.
 

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The argument against is that he faced three teams that are ranked, and rushed 69 times for 257 yards with 0 TD in those games.
Yup. Not a bad argument. Unfortunately Howard wasn't able to articulate that one. It's not an argument that's irrefutable but Howard just made no sense.

I don't expect him to win. Just want him to get the invite to NY and all the extra pub that goes along with it.
 

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Anyone who has watched BC's passing game this year would understand that 257 yards in 3 games against ranked opponents is actually a legitimate achievement. Chase Rettig has failed to reach 100 yards passing in 3 of his last 5 games. 100 yards. Basically, Andre Williams has taken a 2 win team to 7-8-9 almost by himself. Winston deserves the Heisman but if his legal problems get in the way, I don't see a better candidate than Williams.
 
That's not how the award works (or should work). There are plenty of talented players toiling away on shit teams. But when there are guys playing in the SEC that get penalized for not having a big game against the best teams, you can't reward a guy on a shitty team for putting up huge numbers against shit. The kid from Arizona has likewise played three ranked teams, and in those games he put up about twice as many yards and 5 TD. He would get my vote way before Williams.
 

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Vazquez I see your point. You can't take away the 0 touchdowns. As to the rushes and yards they are a little deceiving in that the USC game screws them up a bit. If you factor that out he rushed 52 times for 219 yards. But the stats are what they are. I think they are a little misleading either way.

Look he probably won't win it especially if Bama smokes Auburn today and McCarron throws 3 TDs and 300 yards. But I think he earned a trip to NYC and I also think you will see him on Sundays. Can't say the same for many of the other guys being hyped. The Heisman is a PR campaign as much as anything else and AW was late to the dance primarily due to a poor marketing machine at BC in the past, a bad coach and system and the fact the team came together in the second half of the season rather than out of the gate. But still, it's been a great ride and BC football us definitely on its way back.
 

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Vazquez I see your point. You can't take away the 0 touchdowns. As to the rushes and yards they are a little deceiving in that the USC game screws them up a bit. If you factor that out he rushed 52 times for 219 yards. But the stats are what they are. I think they are a little misleading either way.

Look he probably won't win it especially if Bama smokes Auburn today and McCarron throws 3 TDs and 300 yards. But I think he earned a trip to NYC and I also think you will see him on Sundays. Can't say the same for many of the other guys being hyped. The Heisman is a PR campaign as much as anything else and AW was late to the dance primarily due to a poor marketing machine at BC in the past, a bad coach and system and the fact the team came together in the second half of the season rather than out of the gate. But still, it's been a great ride and BC football us definitely on its way back.
 

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Vazquez I see your point. You can't take away the 0 touchdowns. As to the rushes and yards they are a little deceiving in that the USC game screws them up a bit. If you factor that out he rushed 52 times for 219 yards. But the stats are what they are. I think they are a little misleading either way.
 
 
Those aren't exactly Heisman numbers, either. And why would you take away the USC game?
 
He ran for 70 yards against Clemson. Robert Godhigh ran for 126; Todd Gurley 154 ;Jerome Smith 125. Some kid from the Citadel rushed for 79.
 

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If you're going to play that game, Andre Williams rushed for 149 against FSU and not other TEAM has had more than 123.

AW has about 300 fewer rushing yards than McCaron passing. He's going to be in NY and BC and Addazio will reap the benefits.
 

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Because you are playing with numbers. And I gave you credit and acknowledged the figures. Stats are a vacuum and we can throw them around all you want. If this then that. Bottom line is that the Heisman is a year long process if PR. When Flutie won it I recall he was being hyped right from Game #1 of the season. Everybody knew of him early on. But not this time around. If you don't have a marketing campaign you ain't winning it. And the fact that a bona fide candidate can lose the thing based on one average or subpar game (as we have seen many times in the past) shows just how hype driven the award has become.

I agree he most likely won't win it. But he has had a good year and he deserves the recognition he is getting.
 

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Those aren't exactly Heisman numbers, either. And why would you take away the USC game?
 
He ran for 70 yards against Clemson. Robert Godhigh ran for 126; Todd Gurley 154 ;Jerome Smith 125. Some kid from the Citadel rushed for 79.
I'm just curious, are you a BC hater? All you seem to do is come in and bash everything about them.

I have no problem with that FYI, there are plenty of BC haters out there, I'm just mainly curious.
 

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If you're going to play that game, Andre Williams rushed for 149 against FSU and not other TEAM has had more than 123.

AW has about 300 fewer rushing yards than McCaron passing. He's going to be in NY and BC and Addazio will reap the benefits.
 
I posted those numbers BECAUSE you posted that stupid PR tweet.
 
He played like a very average player in his games against real competition. You can have at it with your Heisman pipe dreams, I really don't care. But wy don;t you just go ahead and pay up on your recruiting bet?
 

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I'm just curious, are you a BC hater? All you seem to do is come in and bash everything about them.

I have no problem with that FYI, there are plenty of BC haters out there, I'm just mainly curious.
 
No. As I've said before, my feelings about the team are mildly positive; certainly above neutral. I just find this thread to have the most unreasonably pollyanaish posts of all the college sports threads.
 

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We could do this all day. Let's talk SEC.

Bama had 96 yards on 38 carries against Virginia tech.

Williams had 166 on 33 carries.

Williams is not a creature of his schedule.
 

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Really? Really? If he doesn't put up 400 yards against NMST, the country hasn;t even heard of him.
the reason the country heard of him is because he has averaged 300 yards for the last three weeks, and 2 of those games were against ACC teams, who while aren't great, they aren't awful either.
 

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I posted those numbers BECAUSE you posted that stupid PR tweet.
 
He played like a very average player in his games against real competition. You can have at it with your Heisman pipe dreams, I really don't care. But wy don;t you just go ahead and pay up on your recruiting bet?
Relax will you. I will pay up once LOI day comes.

Stupid tweet? I posted it because it's about time BC is backing its players and running a solid campaign in support of its team. And that guy who posted it is true diehard Michigan alum BTW.

After several embarrassing years we, as a fanbase can have some fun can't we? Pollyannish or not.

But thanks for pointing out my fanboyism.

Read back a few pages. I am a self proclaimed Pollyanna.
 

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Yup. Because New Mexico State was his only monster game. Your posts have gotten progressively dumber. I'm impressed.
 
Stop being a little bitch. Nobody had heard of him before that game. Please find me one national website that mentioned him as a candidate before that game. He's being mentioned as a candidate because he leads the nation in rushing yardage. If he puts up 150 or 200 instead of 400 against that puke team, he's still not even close.
 
Here's SI's Hesiman watch on November 4:
 

 
Heisman Watch Week 10
1. Marcus Mariota, QB Oregon
2. Jameis Winston, QB Florida State
3. Johnny Manziel, QB Texas A&M
4. Bryce Petty, QB Baylor
5. AJ McCarron, QB Alabama
6. Tajh Boyd, QB Clemson
7. Teddy Bridgewater, QB Louisville
8. Braxton Miller, QB Ohio State
9. Jordan Lynch, QB Northern Illinois
10. Aaron Murray, QB Georgia
 
 
His Heisman push has been made against New Mexico State, NC State, and Maryland. That's just how it is.
 

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I don't care when he started getting the attention. He's got it and will be in NY and likely the only RB there. Great commercial for BC after a 2-10 season.

Style points are irrelevant.

::fanboy::
 

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Enjoy the game boys! We'll reconvene afterwards and I'll break out the yearly stats since us pollyanish fan base seems to enjoy it.

BTW I am a Syracuse grad. So today my loyalties are mixed. Go Orange eagles?!? Pretty lame. I'm sure Vazquez appreciates it. Proves your point I guess.
 

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WayBack,

Your viewpoint is duly noted. Thanks for stopping by. Now fuck off. Andre isn't going to win the Heisman but we appreciate you shitting on the fun for fans of a program that has been miserable for the last 4-5 years. I guess that's all that a Michigan football fan can do these days.
 
This is an excellent post, and well-tailored. I'm sure it must have been tough after you trolled the Michigan thread hoping to find me pushing Gardner for Heisman, or predicting a BCS berth this year. Unfortunately, half that thread wants to fire the whole coaching staff, and the other half wants to cut the QB. You know, real world stuff.
 

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WayBackVazquez said:
 
Stop being a little bitch. Nobody had heard of him before that game. Please find me one national website that mentioned him as a candidate before that game. He's being mentioned as a candidate because he leads the nation in rushing yardage. If he puts up 150 or 200 instead of 400 against that puke team, he's still not even close.
 
Here's SI's Hesiman watch on November 4:
 
 
 
 
His Heisman push has been made against New Mexico State, NC State, and Maryland. That's just how it is.
 
I don't understand what your argument is - that he isn't a candidate for the Heisman or he shouldn't be.
 
If it's the latter, I don't see what relevance the November 4th Heisman rankings have.  Sure, it's taken Mariota, Manziel and Petty all falling off a bit, and Williams having some huge games against not great teams, but who cares when he entered the discussion.  The fact is, he's in it.  The Week 13 SI Heisman Watch has him 3rd.
 
Which teams his "Heisman push" have come against seems pretty irrelevant to his merits.  If he was a preseason favorite with the same numbers against the same opponents, would that make a difference?
 

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I don't understand what your argument is - that he isn't a candidate for the Heisman or he shouldn't be.
 
 
What's hard to understand? My initial post was in response to the claim that "the stats are really telling," and mute any arguments against his winning. And I said the argument against his winning is that he didn't play Heisman-worthy football collectively against the good teams on his schedule. Collaterally, that he has only entered the conversation because of beating up on the weaklings he's played recently. I don;t deny that he has entered the conversation.
 

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They are keying on AW. So they have to change it up a bit. That's why the play action worked on the drive. If they continue to do that they will punish them in the second half. They just can't screw things up too much in the first half.