Mike ... I am with you. The season will be defined by how it plays against UNC, NC ST, MD, Cuse and Tech. If they go 3-3 against that group they get to 7 wins which would have to be considered a decent season.
2013 Boston College Football...From A Spaz to a A Dazz
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BC did not play a great game against FSU, let's not get carried away with that.
They played a great first quarter.
The passing defense basically could not have been worse - FSU was throwing the ball all over the place for the last 45 minutes, with essentially no resistance (see final play of half). Their barely mobile QB ran for almost a hundred yards.
Offensively, we showed signs of life for the first time this year, but we have one possession receiver and one sort-of playmaker at HB, and that's it. Andre Williams gets the yards he should, but nothing more, and Rettig is still playing like a freshman, locking on to receivers and making awful decisions.
No way this team wins six games, I'd be impressed with four.
They played a great first quarter.
The passing defense basically could not have been worse - FSU was throwing the ball all over the place for the last 45 minutes, with essentially no resistance (see final play of half). Their barely mobile QB ran for almost a hundred yards.
Offensively, we showed signs of life for the first time this year, but we have one possession receiver and one sort-of playmaker at HB, and that's it. Andre Williams gets the yards he should, but nothing more, and Rettig is still playing like a freshman, locking on to receivers and making awful decisions.
No way this team wins six games, I'd be impressed with four.
Captaincoop said:
BC played a great game for the talent they have on the team. I'd be hard pressed to say BC could have played any better than they did yesterday.
It would be an embarrassment not to win 4 games with this schedule. They had a mediocre FCA team, and 3 of the worst teams in FBS on the schedule this year. Army is bad. BC should be a HUGE favorite, and really should win by more than the spread. And NM St is probably the worst team in FBS.
Maryland looks like a tougher opponent than we thought they would be at the start of the year. UNC has been a disaster this year, and looks far weaker than expect.
Cuse and NC St are both beatable teams
AW's 149 yds was the most against FSU since 2010. Coming off the USC game and with the Seminoles knowing we'd try to run this is very encouraging. The OL play has been steadily improving.
Word is that both Wade and Outlow were pumped about yesterday. Exactly what I referred to ... Those guys believe they are the difference makers BC needs. So does Nebraska and Ohio State (recruiting them).BigSoxFan said:
A little off topic but can we now say that Matty Ice is a good but not great pro QB. He is in the second tier along with Phillip Rivers, Tony Romo and Jay Cutler. Still impressive but not the pro we thought he would be. Like those guys impressive stats but in bug games comes up short
As for the game next week Army is not as bad as many here think. BC should win. I hope they win but it is not a guarantee. The only gimme left on the schedule is NM State. They blew a 16-5 lead over a pathetic SD State team Saturday night in Las Cruces.
Finally there is an opening at USC. Word here in LA is that they are targeting David Shaw of Stanford and James Franklin of Vanderbilt. I wonder how quick Dazz would scoot out here if SC came calling.
As for the game next week Army is not as bad as many here think. BC should win. I hope they win but it is not a guarantee. The only gimme left on the schedule is NM State. They blew a 16-5 lead over a pathetic SD State team Saturday night in Las Cruces.
Finally there is an opening at USC. Word here in LA is that they are targeting David Shaw of Stanford and James Franklin of Vanderbilt. I wonder how quick Dazz would scoot out here if SC came calling.
BigMike said:
I agree, but how about UConn, if they doubled his salary? The ultimate homecoming wouldn't you say?
There is no chance that UConn would want Addazio, nor that he'd leave for that job. Not even worth discussing.
Dave Stapleton said:
Geez Dave, never dawned on me that Brown mighjt be in the mix. But I think UConn will go younger. Looking at someone in CAA who is winning and ready for the next step.
berniecarbo1 said:
If they were really high on Brown, this move would have happened last year and he'd be the head coach right now. It will be really interesting to see who will take that job. Tough situation with no conference and the cupboard bare of talent.
BigMike said:
You are going to make so much money this weekend, because the lines have been set at 10.5-11.5.
So there's a chance the government shutdown will cause the upcoming game to be canceled as all academy intercollegiate events have been put on hold for the time being. As if you needed more reasons to love Washington...
Will know by noon on Thursday atleast.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/eye-on-college-football/23948329/government-shutdown-suspends-all-athletic-activities-at-service-academies
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/eye-on-college-football/23948329/government-shutdown-suspends-all-athletic-activities-at-service-academies
WayBackVazquez said:
I must admit, I am at the point in my life where I really would have no idea how to bet on this game if I wanted to (short of flying to Vegas). I am sure there is probably someplace on the next I could go to do such a thing, but that is the last thing I would want to do.
now of course talk the game will be cancelled. That would really hurt BC's bowl chances
I'm not saying I want a forfeit but there is no open date available. Why should BC be penalized for soemthing it had nothing to do with?
Dave Stapleton said:
Army has an open date on December 7th (Peral Harbor Day ironically enough). They will tentatively schedule the game for that date if BC is not playing in the ACCCG. We know they won't be playing on that date so the schedule will intially say "to be rescedhuled" but it will be played on the 7th. They will make it "official" as soon as BC is eliminated from ACCCG consideration, which should be in early November. If this thing goes too far out, look for BC to maybe cancel the game as well as some other Army opponenets and reschedule a game on December 7th or the 14th with one of them....can you say Temple???
I am really dating myself here, but when Holy Cross lost their season to Hepatitis in the late 60's, BC was able to schedule a year end game that season with Syracuse, who was not on the original schedule. There will be no forfeit and no loss of a game. It will be either Army, or Temple or some other Army opponenet that loses a game. If not on December 7th, they will move it to December 14th. But in any event, what a clusterfuck in DC, isn't it??
BC, Army officials in close communication
Oct. 1, 2013
"From Director of Athletics Brad Bates:
We have been in close communication with Army athletics officials regarding the potential impact of the government shutdown on this Saturday's football game. Obviously our intention is to exhaust all possibilities to play the game and we will communicate the information promptly as soon as we have resolution. "
Agree with Stapleton. Why not forfeit. this is totally the fault of Army's Athletic Department (the Gubermet/DOD). They can't or don't want to make it here, out of no fault of BC, or the weather, it's a forfeit.
Oct. 1, 2013
"From Director of Athletics Brad Bates:
We have been in close communication with Army athletics officials regarding the potential impact of the government shutdown on this Saturday's football game. Obviously our intention is to exhaust all possibilities to play the game and we will communicate the information promptly as soon as we have resolution. "
Agree with Stapleton. Why not forfeit. this is totally the fault of Army's Athletic Department (the Gubermet/DOD). They can't or don't want to make it here, out of no fault of BC, or the weather, it's a forfeit.
Not looking for a cheap win here. Army (the government) is choosing not to play. Thus, the game should be treated as a forfeit.
Of course it will never happen but this is very different and wasn't unavoidable.
Of course it will never happen but this is very different and wasn't unavoidable.
Dan to Theo to Ben said:
BC, Army officials in close communication
Oct. 1, 2013
"From Director of Athletics Brad Bates:
We have been in close communication with Army athletics officials regarding the potential impact of the government shutdown on this Saturday's football game. Obviously our intention is to exhaust all possibilities to play the game and we will communicate the information promptly as soon as we have resolution. "
This "close communication" is setting up the game for December 7th if they can't get the shutdown resolved by tomorrow afternoon. Right now Army is not allowed to practice and all extracurriculars at the service academies are cancelled until further notice. It isn't the travel thing (BC would probabaly send 2 buses down to West Point to pick up the team, a coach bus 2 day trip is about $2500 per bus, so its chicken feed). The problem is they are under orders not to play/practice from the Secretary of Defense until further notice. This is the president and Congress using stuff like a college football game to play political hardball. It is total BS and everyone is paying for it.
This game will go on. It just may not be until December. BC can't say that the game is on Decmber 7th until, the team is eleiminated from ACCCG consideration. That won't be until the Va Tech game most likely. So they will hope to play on Saturday but if they have to put it off, they will work with Army on the PR side to say they are trying to figure out a date that will accomodate the team's schedules. All the while it will be pencilled in for Dec. 7th at noon at BC.
Haha. Really I'm not. I am pissed at the shutdown and think they should have to accept the consequences.
Can BC offer to pay for the travel expenses? Hopefully they get paid back. Even if not, the lost revenue has to be worth it, no?
As someone who has season tix and a parking pass I have no desire to trade an October 4 game for one in mid-December.
Can BC offer to pay for the travel expenses? Hopefully they get paid back. Even if not, the lost revenue has to be worth it, no?
As someone who has season tix and a parking pass I have no desire to trade an October 4 game for one in mid-December.
BigSoxFan said:
Here's the deal, IMHO, it is a very small fraternity (FBS football) and when it comes to scheduling and these sorts of things, you don't hammer anybody. You do whatever reasonably you can to accomodate people. You may need these guys down th road to fill out a hockey schedule, or a basketaball schedule or an olympic sport schedule. I agree that going from Saturday to December sucks on many, many levels but if somehow the shoe was on the other foot and for some unknown reason, not at all the fault of the institution, BC had a problem being ready for a game, you would think the opponent would do what it could to help out.
I can't imagine the Air Force-Navy game actually getting canceled. That would be a complete embarrassment for Obama to not hand out the Commander-in-Chief trophy because his administration ordered them not to play a game over what will turn out to be a very short government shutdown.
Even less likely considering all kinds of corporations are offering to fund team travel, etc.
Even less likely considering all kinds of corporations are offering to fund team travel, etc.
YOu realize that if Napoleon hadn't flipped the games this year and last, there would be no issue this weekend. The DoD edict is for all non essential military travel to be suspended. If this was an Army home game, it would be going forward. Coast Guard has a home game this weekend against WNEC and it is going forward since there is no travel involved for the USCGA football team.
The problem with Navy-AirForce is that the Falcons have to travel to Annapolis. If they were both playing home games this weekend, there would be no problem.
I think they will play the BC-Army game as the cost of travel between West Point and Chestnut Hill is 2 coach buses ($5,000) a Penske/Ryder truck to move equipment for 2-3 days ($1,000) and one night's hotel at the Newton Marriott (35 rooms @ $229 per night plus 18% hotel tax=$270 a room or $9500) plus say $2000 for food for the weeknd (Being generous here)....total travel budget for Army...$17-19,000. The one thing you won;t see if this thing drags on is the Corps of Cadets. they will leave the Corps home and only take the team and the travelling party. That will be a bummer to a degree but it is better than nothing.
Hell BC could front it and get paid back when the stalemate ends, or they could take up a collection at the gate. If 40,000 show up and everyone kicked $0.50 into a pot, you would have $20,000 raised and the trip would be paid for. Where there is a will there is a way.
The problem with Navy-AirForce is that the Falcons have to travel to Annapolis. If they were both playing home games this weekend, there would be no problem.
I think they will play the BC-Army game as the cost of travel between West Point and Chestnut Hill is 2 coach buses ($5,000) a Penske/Ryder truck to move equipment for 2-3 days ($1,000) and one night's hotel at the Newton Marriott (35 rooms @ $229 per night plus 18% hotel tax=$270 a room or $9500) plus say $2000 for food for the weeknd (Being generous here)....total travel budget for Army...$17-19,000. The one thing you won;t see if this thing drags on is the Corps of Cadets. they will leave the Corps home and only take the team and the travelling party. That will be a bummer to a degree but it is better than nothing.
Hell BC could front it and get paid back when the stalemate ends, or they could take up a collection at the gate. If 40,000 show up and everyone kicked $0.50 into a pot, you would have $20,000 raised and the trip would be paid for. Where there is a will there is a way.
Bernie, I think this is much bigger than what you are suggesting. This is about someone whether in the military or the administration, who wants to make a big deal out of this situation. Clearly it could be easily paid for, but this is a statement, much int he way fencing off the WWII memorial was a statement
BigMike said:
Agree 100% with your thoughts Mike. It is a total PR stunt by the Administration. Just like at the sequeatration, they closed the White House tours because of lack of funding. They didn't close the Capitol tours or the tours of the Supreme Court, just the White House. They close down the WWII memorial which is completely open air. My point in raising the $$ issue was to show just how petty this crap is. Both sides are wrong on this and not to be overally political, but all of them should be voted out of office.
Addendum: Read this piece from Boston.com. Clearly it is all a big poltical game and trying to use events like the football game to garner political advantages....
http://www.boston.com/sports/colleges/football/2013/10/02/expects-decision-army-game-noon-thursday/xUE5rs2N7miFJLf2vi2wCK/story.html
First half was pretty much as expected. Dissapointing that BC defense managed to look completely unprepared again this year, but oh well.
Army as expected just seems to have no chance on defense. Williams is 20+ pound bigger than 8 of their defensive starters, and probably as fast or faster than any of them. And Army has no one who has a prayer of covering Amidon
Army as expected just seems to have no chance on defense. Williams is 20+ pound bigger than 8 of their defensive starters, and probably as fast or faster than any of them. And Army has no one who has a prayer of covering Amidon
BC has made the adjustments and aside from one big play has absolutely dominated the second half.
Meanwhile Maryland gets obliterated by FSU 63-0. Combined results in a pretty good day for BC.
Meanwhile Maryland gets obliterated by FSU 63-0. Combined results in a pretty good day for BC.
Dave Stapleton said:
Army losing their starting QB was a huge factor in this game. The backup just wasn't very good. It doesn't matter as the talent mismatch was huge today.
I've never seen holes that big before. I might have run for 150 yards today, and I suspect I couldn't break a 6 second 40 yard dash
Mike ... Even last week I thought the OL showed great improvement coming out of the bye. This is a well rated group who never lived up to their stars. And patchen has been a great addition.
Ok. So far they have won the games they should have won, won a game they could have won and lost 2 games they should have lost, all not big surprises or no surprise at all depending on your perspective.
They have one last monster game next week. I think we all feel this will be a loss. That will put them at 3-3. After that they have 1 gimme (New Mexico State) and 5 games where they could win all of them or lose all of them. Looking at that schedule I would say they will win 3 in addition to NM State and end up 7-5. Not sure whic games will be wins and which will be losses but none of those teams scares me. I just think BC is in the middle of that mix and will get their fair share of wins.
Amazing what a little coaching and some positive reinforcement can do to a bunch of kids playing a team game. The talent on this team is no better than last year but the coaching and team building is miles ahead if what was there over the past few years.
They have one last monster game next week. I think we all feel this will be a loss. That will put them at 3-3. After that they have 1 gimme (New Mexico State) and 5 games where they could win all of them or lose all of them. Looking at that schedule I would say they will win 3 in addition to NM State and end up 7-5. Not sure whic games will be wins and which will be losses but none of those teams scares me. I just think BC is in the middle of that mix and will get their fair share of wins.
Amazing what a little coaching and some positive reinforcement can do to a bunch of kids playing a team game. The talent on this team is no better than last year but the coaching and team building is miles ahead if what was there over the past few years.
So Clemson this Saturday ... I think coming on the heels of two pretty good performances BC really has a shot in this game ...
C'mon I am not that delusional. They have no shot but it would be nice to see them compete for at least part of the game. In any case, I am heading down for my first trip to Clemson ever and am looking forward to the atmosphere. Right now the weather forecast looks fantastic.
C'mon I am not that delusional. They have no shot but it would be nice to see them compete for at least part of the game. In any case, I am heading down for my first trip to Clemson ever and am looking forward to the atmosphere. Right now the weather forecast looks fantastic.
It is the most SEC like atmosphere of any school NOT in the SEC. Afraid the outcome may be more like the USC game than the FSU game. One of the many things that the team has to learn and I think the staff is teaching them is how to play on the road. It is totally different than a home game, especially when in an environment like Clemson. All a learning process but in a few years it will pay off. Enjoy the game. My prediction, Clemson 38-13.Dave Stapleton said:
Dave Stapleton said:
Clemson is the best team they have played so far, and of course the toughest road trip (90K crazy fans against you as opposed to whatever it was LA folk in the Collesium who were most interested in booing their coach)
The good news. Clemson has FSU next week, and everything points to a huge letdown game this week (and it would take a huge lettdown to keep BC within 14-17).. BC had a good deal of success against Clemson last year, but that was turning Rettig lose and letting him throw. This year BC won't allow that to happen. I would love to see BC come out with playaction right off the bat and spreading the field while Clemson has 9 in the box, but I just don't see it happening.
Bad News Clemson sleptwalked through the last 3 quarters against Syracuse, SO I assume the coaches will be all over them this week.
So does anyone have any recommendations? We are going to the BBQ on Friday afternoon and I suspect we will just walk around pre-game and look for some friendly faces (although I understand that the Clemson fans are quite friendly).BigSoxFan said:
Thanks Man. I will be there this afternoon for the Gridiron BBQ.doldmoose34 said:
Come see us on Shea this year. We should be there for the final two game.
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Addazio asked what it will take to give Clemson a game the way they did vs FSU: "Our goal is not to stay in it, our goal is to win it."
Don't think it will happen but man the attitude is refreshing.
Addazio asked what it will take to give Clemson a game the way they did vs FSU: "Our goal is not to stay in it, our goal is to win it."
Don't think it will happen but man the attitude is refreshing.
