Golden State can still offer Durant the most money and longest term, as they will retain Bird rights.
It's difficult to trade Durant; it's much easier to trade Green.
It's difficult to trade Durant; it's much easier to trade Green.
If you trade Draymond, you're going to get some valuable pieces back. May not be a current all-star but could certainly be someone who can develop into one. They certainly wouldn't be prohibitive favorites in that scenario but they'd still be in the mix.I see a growing consensus for "trade Draymond", but what happens if you do that and KD still leaves? You'd go from four (five if you count Boogie) All-Stars to two. The championship window would effectively be closed. That seems way too risky.
For sure. Don't ask me about Westbrook. Don't ask me about (some would say) ruining the NBA. Don't ask me about my beef with Dray.Funny KD would feel like he isn't getting enough credit when he specifically picked this team (or so we're told) because he didn't want to be lead dog . . . .
I remain a little intrigued with a Horford/Green pairing. The passing would be off the charts.Draymond's trade value is fascinating and is similar to that of Smart, albeit higher in theory. His market is pretty narrow in terms of suitors - it almost has to be a "contender" (quotes .because I am assuming that contender in this context means competing to go to the finals from the East or get to the WCF from the West). And narrowing the market further is the assumption that the Warriors would strongly prefer to deal Green out of the conference if they want to deal him at all.
Assuming that is the case, where is the fit? There is no obvious one to me.
Philadelphia could use his playmaking, defense and toughness but they need shooting more and don't have a logical return for GS.
Milwaukee makes sense but what can they offer the Warriors?
Toronto and Boston both have pieces to get a trade done in theory but to what end? Green is very valuable but when factoring in the trade cost, its not clear that he represents a significant upgrade from what either team has in terms of their respective depth.
In short, even if the Warriors were motivated to move Draymond, there aren't obvious fits. If course, they could ship him to an also ran for some window expanding pieces but why would the other team trade for Green at this stage of his career?
I forgot to mention Indiana and that is interesting. Turner is good but the Warriors would likely want more of a wing than a big in exchange for Green given their roster. That return doesn't seem like it would work for them. Furthermore, the Pacers would also lose some size in that swap.Indiana?
GSW - Draymond Green
IND - Myles Turner + Thad Young
The money is such it can't work--Celtics have no one they can trade between $20M (Irving) and $6M (Tatum). If you put in Hayward, then it's something like Green/Livingston, and that doesn't work at all, roster construction wise without other pieces being moved.I remain a little intrigued with a Horford/Green pairing. The passing would be off the charts.
Yup its rare.What would a hypothetical Draymond trade even if look like? There is almost no historical precedent for a title contender dealing one of their best players in the middle of the season. Even when the Lakers traded Shaq and the Cavs Kryie they had a whole training camp to integrate new pieces. The best comp I could come up with is the Thunder trading James Harden on the eve of the '12-'13 season. In that deal they got a similar but inferior player in Martin, a recent lottery pick and a future lottery pick. Using that as a template and assuming they want him to go east, where's the match? To Indy for Thad Young and a pick? Washington for Markieff, Oubre, and a pick? Not a lot of options out there that make a ton of sense.
I don't think the Pacers make that trade anyway. They are going to have a lot of cap room this off season and I don't think Green/Oladipo are that great of a pairing.I forgot to mention Indiana and that is interesting. Turner is good but the Warriors would likely want more of a wing than a big in exchange for Green given their roster. That return doesn't seem like it would work for them. Furthermore, the Pacers would also lose some size in that swap.
When can Smart be traded? Jan 15th or something like that, right? Smart/Brown would work. Or, Smart/Morris/picks.The money is such it can't work--Celtics have no one they can trade between $20M (Irving) and $6M (Tatum). If you put in Hayward, then it's something like Green/Livingston, and that doesn't work at all, roster construction wise without other pieces being moved.
As a side note, the ESPN NBA trade machine shows PER---Hayward's is higher than Green's this season.
The Wiz should do anything to rearrange their roster. Green and Livingston for Oubre and either Beal or Porter works in the trade machine (+ pick?). Not that GS would do that but that may be as much as they could get around the league.What would a hypothetical Draymond trade even if look like? There is almost no historical precedent for a title contender dealing one of their best players in the middle of the season. Even when the Lakers traded Shaq and the Cavs Kryie they had a whole training camp to integrate new pieces. The best comp I could come up with is the Thunder trading James Harden on the eve of the '12-'13 season. In that deal they got a similar but inferior player in Martin, a recent lottery pick and a future lottery pick. Using that as a template and assuming they want him to go east, where's the match? To Indy for Thad Young and a pick? Washington for Markieff, Oubre, and a pick? Not a lot of options out there that make a ton of sense.
January 15th is the date.When can Smart be traded? Jan 15th or something like that, right? Smart/Brown would work. Or, Smart/Morris/picks.
I was going to mention a trade for Randle but I can't see moving Dray for that small a return. I also think the better fit for GS might be Mirotic anyway.Not Eastern conference, but as long as we're spitballing: Draymond for Julius Randle (plus some salary ballast) might kinda sorta make sense for both teams, on paper. Dray$ reunites with old friend Alvin Gentry and slots in nicely alongside both AD and Mirotic. From the Ws perspective, Randle's not in Dray's universe as a defender, but he's a much better offensive player, with a few Draymondian qualities (ability to slide to smallball 5, physical style of play, rebounding, passing, e.g.)
On the other hand, I doubt the Ws would want to deal with the Davis/Dray$ death combo in their own conference, and I'm not really sure NOP would even go for it, given that Randle is four years younger, a lot cheaper, and off to a fantastic start this season (by traditional stats, anyway).
Strongly doubt anything major happens till the offseason in any case. I get the sense KD, Dray, and the team are way too strongly committed to going after the three-peat to shake things up now. They already seemed to be making nice in last nights's game (smiling, chest-patting, etc.); within a week or two, I suspect the outward manifestations of the feud (such at is) will mostly be papered over, and that we won't really see how deep any fault lines run until free agency begins.
Doubtful that Indiana moves Turner for a 6'7" guy. Even given Turner's early season struggles Green doesn't really put them in the Toronto/Milwaukee class while simultaneously shrinking their window by replacing the 22 year old with a 29 year old.Indiana?
GSW - Draymond Green
IND - Myles Turner + Thad Young
Marcus and Marcus works. If only.Doubtful that Indiana moves Turner for a 6'7" guy. Even given Turner's early season struggles Green doesn't really put them in the Toronto/Milwaukee class while simultaneously shrinking their window by replacing the 22 year old with a 29 year old.
Green's a tough fit, as much due to his age as anything else. Given the shaky shooting I'm not sure how long he outlasts his physical decline, and he has had a habit of regular season cruising. So it's really only the contenders that need him.
Toronto? I mean Val/Anunoby works for salary. Milwaukee would need to actually play Connaughton if they put together a package like DiVencenzo/Snell/Henson. He's just tough to deal. As he's also a Golden State lifer the Warriors probably are better off dealing Durant to fill in around Steph/Klay/Dray.
I wouldn't be interested in that package, to be brutally honest. Little Marcus is cost controlled for four years and is sort of Green's minime already. Plus he plays balls to the wall every game of the season. And I'm not sure Boston has a whole lot of interest in Dray either, given the hit the shooting takes swapping out Morris for Green. Durant, on the other hand...Marcus and Marcus works. If only.
This is true but removing Marcus' shooting helps with the net impact to the team. I don't think Ainge would trade a top asset like Jaylen for Draymond but if the price reduces to Marcus/Marcus, I could see him being somewhat intrigued. Of course, Ainge had a chance to get Cousins for a relatively cheap price a couple years ago and passed so he might place Draymond in that same bucket.I wouldn't be interested in that package, to be brutally honest. Little Marcus is cost controlled for four years and is sort of Green's minime already. Plus he plays balls to the wall every game of the season. And I'm not sure Boston has a whole lot of interest in Dray either, given the hit the shooting takes swapping out Morris for Green. Durant, on the other hand...
Hmm, I don't think so. Rozier's superior speed, athleticism and rebounding are intriguing, but not as appealing overall as Cook's superior shooting. The Ws' roster is actually pretty thin in shooters after Steph, KD and Klay, especially with Steph hurt and the other two inexplicably bricking. Cook also seems super well-liked by his teammates (especially KD, who grew up in the same area); and after the Dray/KD flap I doubt they would make a lateral-ish move that could further erode team chemistry.SRN, Rozier for Quinn Cook, any interest?
Damn you!Hmm, I don't think so. Rozier's superior speed, athleticism and rebounding are intriguing, but not as appealing overall as Cook's superior shooting. The Ws' roster is actually pretty thin in shooters after Steph, KD and Klay, especially with Steph hurt and the other two inexplicably bricking. Cook also seems super well-liked by his teammates (especially KD, who grew up in the same area); and after the Dray/KD flap I doubt they would make a lateral-ish move that could further erode team chemistry.
Basically, I want Cook for the same reasons you want him.
Even though Kerr played his 3 seasons with Jordan using the shorter line he was still getting wide open looks in rhythm from Jordan. I'm not sure it would have made a huge difference, if any, as he was 42.4% career from all those seasons playing without Jordan. Kerr's bump in those years was a similar percentage bump that BJ Armstrong had in the same role next to Jordan even with the further line.And on cue, Cook drops 19 in a +26 game, including 5-8 from three — putting him at 45.3% for his career, #2 all time among players with at least 180 attempts.
#1? Steve Kerr at 45.4%, but you can kinda throw him out since he got to shoot with a closer line, and didn't shoot at near the same volume as Cook.
Troubled Warriors bust the slump with a 125-97 beatdown of the Blazers.
Yeah, the shorter line for three seasons is a small factor; playing alongside MJ is a bigger one. I mean, I can't really dock Kerr points for the MJ factor (if we start to do that it's a slippery slope, since we have to do the same for Klay with Steph, Korver with LeBron, Cook with Durant, etc.) I do think volume is important to consider, though: Kerr shot them at a modest 3.6 attempts per 36 minutes over his career (almost all great looks created by MJ-Pippen-Manu-Parker-Duncan and co.), whereas Cook is launching them at a freer, more modern-day 5.5 attempts per 36 minutes (and up to 6.7 this season).Even though Kerr played his 3 seasons with Jordan using the shorter line he was still getting wide open looks in rhythm from Jordan. I'm not sure it would have made a huge difference, if any, as he was 42.4% career from all those seasons playing without Jordan. Kerr's bump in those years was a similar percentage bump that BJ Armstrong had in the same role next to Jordan even with the further line.
He's tried it a decent bit. It hasn't been pretty, mainly because Rozier isn't delivering on the shooting part of the equation, and also because Rozier hasn't been meshing with the overall offense well. It's more of an offensive issue than a defensive one, so it doesn't tell us how well Cook with Curry might work. My guess is that the Dubs would be overall positive from that combo, even with the weaker D.I'm guessing Kyrie-Rozier presented a similar conundrum (at least, before Rozier starting stinking up the joint). I haven't watched the Cs as closely as you guys: how often if at all has Stevens overlapped their minutes?
Depends on how you're defining contenders.Damn you!
Rozier is completely disinterested in being a bench piece, so he'd probably have the same attitude with the Warriors.
What contenders in the West could use a guard?
I was just going through some photo albums today of me driving that road a couple months ago. That video was terrifying in the "that could have happened to me at any moment" sense. Glad he's ok.Yeeesh. What's terrifying is not only the non-zero chance that he could have lost his life (the initial tweet of him standing there calmly chatting with CHP by the divider as cars whizzed past probably took weeks off my life) but also the much higher chance that he could have crunched, tweaked, or mangled something in a way that might not be a total life-changer for a civilian but would be a season-ender or possibly career-ender for an NBA player. Think Jay Williams.
Whew. There but for the grace of God (or Hoops Gods, or Fate, or Chance, or Flying Spaghetti Monster, etc.) go we all...
You really want terrifying? Here's a quote from the story that was part of HRB's linked video:Yeeesh. What's terrifying is not only the non-zero chance that he could have lost his life (the initial tweet of him standing there calmly chatting with CHP by the divider as cars whizzed past probably took weeks off my life).
So yeah......if he's still standing there a few minutes longer........Officials say roughly 10 minutes after the crash, another car lost control and slammed into Steph's Porsche from behind.
You mean Thursday, my Joerger loving friend. Per my post in the main NBA gamethread, Toronto is peaking right now. They will give the Warriors all they can handle and some more, even with the Warriors bench back to full strength with their now back-up PG Curry and back-up wing/big in Green.Lolz.
In more cheerful news, Steph has been scrimmaging with the team, and looks about ready to return, either tomorrow in Toronto or the next game in Detroit.
what happened to Jordan Bell?Welp.
Unless Deyonta Davis (doubtful) or Boogie wants to rush back (unwise) I guess the Warriors are now in the market for a full-size center? Looney and Jerebko have been great, but I don't think they're ready to bang full-time with NBA starting centers.
In 20:20 hindsight, making more of an effort to keep Zaza or McGee might have been wise. Can Bogut be fished out from Down Under...?
He is certainly passable. He can occupy space versus NBA bigs and is athletic enough to cover some space on switches but opposing teams will no doubt target him for switches when he is on the floor. He has some offensive skills around the rim but doesn't shoot at all from deep. He also is a middling rebounder.So... what did you guys think of Tyler Zeller? Of the names I’ve heard bandied about as a 1-2 month Boogie placeholder, he seems like one of the more hassle-free.
I don't think anything really happened to Bell. He's the same freelancer who is frequently out of position in both defensive and offensive sets. When Kerr played him spot minutes as a rookie he did so while recognizing there would be growing pains. Now in his second year it's pretty clear that Kerr simply doesn't trust him when you have Jones and Looney doing the right things on the floor.what happened to Jordan Bell?
Meh, I don't think the Warriors really need to do anything. Their season begins in the spring when Boogie will be back and Jones could possibly be as well. In other words, their full-time center to replace Jones has been rehabbing and with the team all year. In the meantime I'm guessing he'll force fed some minutes to Bell and give Looney a larger role. Welp.
Unless Deyonta Davis (doubtful) or Boogie wants to rush back (unwise) I guess the Warriors are now in the market for a full-size center? Looney and Jerebko have been great, but I don't think they're ready to bang full-time with NBA starting centers.
In 20:20 hindsight, making more of an effort to keep Zaza or McGee might have been wise. Can Bogut be fished out from Down Under...?
If its heft that you want we have a beefy Frenchman that can be had for any of your flotsamBell has regressed and has been badly outplayed by Looney. Looney's a lot bigger and longer, too.
I miss Boucher, but I'm pretty sure NBA centers would break him in half.
Pretty sure being at least 240 lbs. is a requirement for the "Boogie Placeholder."
After the Warriors’ practice Sunday afternoon at Detroit Mercy, I watched for about 20 minutes as Cousins participated in a 5-on-5 scrimmage. My biggest takeaway was that, if it were the playoffs, he could play now and contribute. He was throwing down alley-oop dunks and moving with relative ease. At this point, Cousins just needs to improve his conditioning a bit to be completely game-ready.
Looks like you nailed it. After the Jones injury, Bob Myers had initially said he was open to kicking the tires on another full-size C (Willie Reed, Robin Lopez, e.g.?) but with Draymond on the mend and Boogie playing 5-on-5 in preparation for a fairly imminent stint in Santa Cruz, it sounds like they're standing pat.I don't think the Warriors really need to do anything. Their season begins in the spring when Boogie will be back and Jones could possibly be as well. In other words, their full-time center to replace Jones has been rehabbing and with the team all year. In the meantime I'm guessing he'll force fed some minutes to Bell and give Looney a larger role.