After the whole Mike Lockhart situation I doubt Rich has much love for Beasley. Guessing he'll have plenty of potential suitors as he doesn't have to be a sports guy.
The answer to this question -- in this thread -- is always yes.Could we be overthinking things?
Very well could be. We know they had an issue with Lockhart and Beasley. We know Rich has shut Fred out of his life completely. I’m sure Rich is negotiating. I also think Rich may not be great at this and a simple tweet about why he changed all the accounts is not just the right thing to do but he’s has to do. The next time they mock a player for unfollowing their team or changing their avatar, rich should get 50 calls like Joe Murray being late to a Zoom meetingAre people thinking maybe they just haven't announced Rich's contract extension because they're still negotiating?
Do we really know this?Very well could be. We know they had an issue with Lockhart and Beasley. We know Rich has shut Fred out of his life completely. I’m sure Rich is negotiating.
One anecdote comes to mind. Rich went to Oktoberfest in Munich a few weeks ago. He came back and told the story (crazy beer tents, people puking, etc). In telling it, he mentioned that he drunk-Facetimed Wallach, Zolak, Murray and a bunch more people at the station. Seemed from listening that Fred didn’t get one and was realizing he was the only one who didn’t as Rich told the story. I have no idea but I doesn’t sound like they bond a ton outside of work these days.Do we really know this?
Fred has stated it as fact a number of times.Do we really know this?
Beasley is cutting costs even with their top rated shows, as we saw with the Lockhart thing. I'm sure they think they can save money on the morning show by only having one high priced talent and still beat everybody else, because what else is out there these days? So I could see them not bringing back Rich and replacing him with another guy who'd be happy to work for much less. Maybe Fred didn't ask for a big raise because of his current situation, or he just got an offer he liked first. Who knows? It could be a lot of things. But Beasley is in the business of making money on advertising, not of producing the funniest morning show they can. They'll cut costs at every chance until it hurts them.Very well could be. We know they had an issue with Lockhart and Beasley. We know Rich has shut Fred out of his life completely. I’m sure Rich is negotiating. I also think Rich may not be great at this and a simple tweet about why he changed all the accounts is not just the right thing to do but he’s has to do. The next time they mock a player for unfollowing their team or changing their avatar, rich should get 50 calls like Joe Murray being late to a Zoom meeting
It probably wouldn't be great form for Rich to rub his drunken debauchery in the face of a recovering alcoholic.One anecdote comes to mind. Rich went to Oktoberfest in Munich a few weeks ago. He came back and told the story (crazy beer tents, people puking, etc). In telling it, he mentioned that he drunk-Facetimed Wallach, Zolak, Murray and a bunch more people at the station. Seemed from listening that Fred didn’t get one and was realizing he was the only one who didn’t as Rich told the story. I have no idea but I doesn’t sound like they bond a ton outside of work these days.
If I had to guess, the Lockhart thing is the symbolic driver of whatever’s going on. Rich has put the show on his shoulders quite often over the past few years.
That’s fair.It probably wouldn't be great form for Rich to rub his drunken debauchery in the face of a recovering alcoholic.
This had occurred to me as well.It probably wouldn't be great form for Rich to rub his drunken debauchery in the face of a recovering alcoholic.
I know northing about any of this but I'm assuming the socials and their followers are the property of the show correct?Beasley has to see ratings are down when either T or R are out and ratings up when they are in and at their best.
I am thinking the rebranding of the socials is a power play on R's part as he works out his own negotiations. In one fell swoop all the followers of the show's socials were eliminated and now they all follow R exclusively. His way of flexing? Either way I hope he gets paid and T & R live on.
I know nothing as well but I do believe the show has their own socials. That may not mean, however, that Rich has to promote/use them exclusively over his own. Or maybe it does, like I said I know nothing.I know northing about any of this but I'm assuming the socials and their followers are the property of the show correct?
In the past, Toucher and Shertenlieb have negotiated their contracts in unison. That was not the case this time. Both deals were due to expire at the end of the year, but now Toucher — who was cited in the press release as “a foundational member of the launch of the station,” with his “tenure” being mentioned without reference to his co-host throughout the entire time — has a deal.
Shertenlieb does not...
Yeah the show owns them but Rich has been the primary content contributor to them, so him turning the keys over to someone else doesn't feel good. This and the above reference to T & R normally negotiating together really sucks.I know nothing as well but I do believe the show has their own socials. That may not mean, however, that Rich has to promote/use them exclusively over his own. Or maybe it does, like I said I know nothing.
I highly doubt it’s Fred vs. Rich.Fred has discussed financial issues on the show, signing an extension is probably necessary for raising his family to the standard he desires.
Rich got porked on the Lockhart situation, I'd bet there's terrible blood there.
Only point I'm making (with no knowledge) is that the situation could exist without it being a Fred vs Rich standoff.
QFTI’d be surprised if Rich *didn’t* make a renewal with Beasley as grueling as possible to get the most favorable outcome.
The guy carried the show for nearly 2 years while Fred was dropping in and out because of rehab, and his throat, and his divorce, and more rehab, and more throat. Oh and in the midst of all that Beasley laid off Lockhart. And Fred lied about Rich’s response to his throat stuff. Truly fun times, I’m sure.
Rich will have suitors if he passes on renewing. As listeners we’d all be the worse off for it, I wouldn’t blame him at all for looking elsewhere. Life is too short.
Maybe pushing now that the Cs job is taken.He's always been bad but has been awful the last several weeks, especially stepping on guests
Fred said in the weird Joe interview last week they were doing it. So disappointing.The fact that they did not do the annual "Who is the Spookiest Member of the Sports Hub" bit this morning is such a bummer.
I wonder if the beef (no pun intended) with Joe Murray had something to do with that.
I think it was Joe that mentioned it as he was signing off....Fred said in the weird Joe interview last week they were doing it. So disappointing.
I will quit the show likely within weeks if Wallach becomes the 2nd chair. I won’t be able to hack it. Hope that doesn’t happen."So Wallach, now that Rich is gone, we may need a guy in the 2nd chair and have RJ do headlines....."
So over the past few seasons when Sean Grande (radio play-by-play man for the Celtics) has been double booked with Bellator announcing duties, Wallach has stepped in and taken his role. With Mike Gorman (tv play-by-play man for the Celtics) announcing his retirement at the end of the season, most believed that Sean Grande would be promoted up to the tv gig and that Wallach would potentially have a shot at taking over the radio duties. However, about a month ago the C's hired Drew Carter to replace Gorman, leaving Grande on radio, and Wallach in his current spot.I haven’t listened to the show in years but reading here it seems as though there’s been drama related to Wallach and the Celtics announcing job. I apologize for my ignorance on the subject. Would anyone mind providing a quick recap for someone who’s totally out of the loop?
I doubt Beasley would pay someone else to do headlines. They'd just have Wallach pull double duty."So Wallach, now that Rich is gone, we may need a guy in the 2nd chair and have RJ do headlines....."
I'll disagree with that "shock jock" take. To me, T&R are great at sports radio because they're just regular fans. They don't pretend to be Sports Experts (tm) like almost every other show. And they don't make sports out to be some kind of critically important thing. It's just a hobby that we're all wayyyy too into.What makes T & R great is their edgy "shock jock" (for lack of a better term) approach to radio. It's all anyone says in the folklore of how they went from WBCN to 98.5. Would their rock radio style translate to the world of sports talk radio? OMG, it did! Killer ratings! Marconi award!
Toucher and Walldich, Freddy T and Johnny Boy, The Shazowee Show with Fred and John....no matter what it would be called, that show would suck. The band needs to stick together and whether it is Beasley being hard on Rich or Rich being hard on Beasley, it blows knowing Rich isn't locked up long-term like Fred. Let's hope they come together on a deal soon.
Thanks very much for this! Very helpful.So over the past few seasons when Sean Grande (radio play-by-play man for the Celtics) has been double booked with Bellator announcing duties, Wallach has stepped in and taken his role. With Mike Gorman (tv play-by-play man for the Celtics) announcing his retirement at the end of the season, most believed that Sean Grande would be promoted up to the tv gig and that Wallach would potentially have a shot at taking over the radio duties. However, about a month ago the C's hired Drew Carter to replace Gorman, leaving Grande on radio, and Wallach in his current spot.
I think this is right, though Fred occasionally has a serious edge, ‘shock jock’ label or not.I'll disagree with that "shock jock" take. To me, T&R are great at sports radio because they're just regular fans. They don't pretend to be Sports Experts (tm) like almost every other show. And they don't make sports out to be some kind of critically important thing. It's just a hobby that we're all wayyyy too into.
It also helps that they can talk about pop culture, music, TV, etc. in a very entertaining way. Those are topics that the Sports Experts (tm) shows do soooo awkwardly. Anyone want to listen to Felger & Mazz do Armpits of America or Fart Court? It'd be excruitiating.
For sure.Also 1 + 1 = 3 so let’s make sure we keep the band together.
Fred said at least twice today that Rich was really sick and don't read into it. Rich's voice has been going for days.Rich out sick today
Yep, Twitch as well. Complete mess.The online stream has been a mess this morning. It cuts out every couple minutes, no matter which app I use.