2023 Jets: Hello Darkness Retreat, My Old Friend

luckiestman

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People made fun of Sam but what if he is the only one seeing reality and the rest of us are blind to it.
 

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The Jets have a better chance (as in zero) of getting Kirk Cousins from the Vikings than they do of getting a 46 y/o Brady out of a comfortable retirement.
 

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The Jets have a better chance (as in zero) of getting Kirk Cousins from the Vikings than they do of getting a 46 y/o Brady out of a comfortable retirement.
Comfortable?

Brady is miserable. He is a football psycho. This past weekend, he had the celebration in Foxboro, so that covered his first Sunday and kept him occupied. But now. . . .he's going to be out of his mind. A normal person would be fine moving on. Tom Brady is not normal.
 

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It's unclear if the transaction closed but Brady was reportedly buying into the Raiders. If it did close, doesn't he have to divest if he wanted to go play for another team?

He may be miserable without playing football but I don't think the guy I saw on Sunday was itching to get back into the game.
 

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I think we underestimate how much these guys are able to divert their psychosis into other endeavors. Brady isn't stupid, he knows there's literally zero to be gained by going back on the field out of game shape, with teammates he doesn't know and a system he's not familiar with after Week 1. There's only downside there. This is not deciding in March that he was going to give it another go with what was his current team at the time.
 

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You know, I was thinking that Brady was on the Roger Clemens plan...
 

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You know, I was thinking that Brady was on the Roger Clemens plan...
How many NFL quarterbacks have successfully come out of retirement mid-season and joined a team that they never played for?

My working assumption (until someone provides proof otherwise) is that Brady did not spend the offseason conditioning for an NFL season. Yes, he is still probably in unbelievable physical shape. But getting into NFL game shape is another leap altogether. So, even if he were to parachute in and sign with the Jets today, he would need at least 3-4 weeks to work himself into shape while also learning his new teammates, playbook, coaches, etc. At least an existing backup or practice squad player will be in game shape already. And that 3-4 weeks seems optimistic even for Brady; could easily be 5 or 6.

If he wanted to play again, he would have signed with a team already. Instead, he took a path with the Raiders that will significantly complicate any return to the field.
 

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How many NFL quarterbacks have successfully come out of retirement mid-season and joined a team that they never played for?

My working assumption (until someone provides proof otherwise) is that Brady did not spend the offseason conditioning for an NFL season. Yes, he is still probably in unbelievable physical shape. But getting into NFL game shape is another leap altogether. So, even if he were to parachute in and sign with the Jets today, he would need at least 3-4 weeks to work himself into shape while also learning his new teammates, playbook, coaches, etc. At least an existing backup or practice squad player will be in game shape already. And that 3-4 weeks seems optimistic even for Brady; could easily be 5 or 6.

If he wanted to play again, he would have signed with a team already. Instead, he took a path with the Raiders that will significantly complicate any return to the field.
It would be very hard, but he could likely do it. I would not put anything past him a year out from a pretty solid overall performance. I don't think he wants to, and presumably he retired for a reason when opportunities almost certainly were available. I also hope he doesn't. But he could.
 

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How many NFL quarterbacks have successfully come out of retirement mid-season and joined a team that they never played for?

My working assumption (until someone provides proof otherwise) is that Brady did not spend the offseason conditioning for an NFL season. Yes, he is still probably in unbelievable physical shape. But getting into NFL game shape is another leap altogether. So, even if he were to parachute in and sign with the Jets today, he would need at least 3-4 weeks to work himself into shape while also learning his new teammates, playbook, coaches, etc. At least an existing backup or practice squad player will be in game shape already. And that 3-4 weeks seems optimistic even for Brady; could easily be 5 or 6.

If he wanted to play again, he would have signed with a team already. Instead, he took a path with the Raiders that will significantly complicate any return to the field.
Baker Mayfield was signed by the Rams last year and started for them 3 days later and won the game.

Tom Brady is one of the best football minds in the history of the NFL. You think it would take him a month to figure out an NFL playbook? Come on. This is Tom Brady.

And if you think he's not working out like crazy, you haven't been paying attention to the last 23 years.
 

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I dont think Tommy will play for my squad but it’s close to an ideal situation for a qb to step into.
 

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Between the o-line and that it would (unlike Tampa) actually hurt his Patriots legacy, I think Brady to the Jets is incredibly unlikely. But I don't think it's at all crazy to say that if a team with Super Bowl aspirations outside of their QB calls, he's thinking about it, and that includes the Jets as the current roster stands.
 

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I think the Jets sign some scrubby backup and roll with Wilson at least 3-4 weeks. Nobody who is actually good is going to be available until maybe week 5 or 6, and Wilson was less terrible last night than he has been. I don't think he's ever going to be good, but he has some talent such that he's probably not worse than picking up the guys available right now.
 

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I think the Jets sign some scrubby backup and roll with Wilson at least 3-4 weeks. Nobody who is actually good is going to be available until maybe week 5 or 6, and Wilson was less terrible last night than he has been. I don't think he's ever going to be good, but he has some talent such that he's probably not worse than picking up the guys available right now.
I think this is correct. Brissett is the only guy that I hear and think is ok but I don’t think it’s a realistic option. They need a backup better than Boyle
 

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Denial: maybe just an ankle
Anger: why didn’t he throw it
Bargaining: Maybe Zach will be better
Depression: Probably after Dallas game
Acceptance: Probably never
 

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Baker Mayfield was signed by the Rams last year and started for them 3 days later and won the game.

Tom Brady is one of the best football minds in the history of the NFL. You think it would take him a month to figure out an NFL playbook? Come on. This is Tom Brady.

And if you think he's not working out like crazy, you haven't been paying attention to the last 23 years.
It’s not what I said.

He would need to get into football shape. He is not in football shape today.
 

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Between the o-line and that it would (unlike Tampa) actually hurt his Patriots legacy, I think Brady to the Jets is incredibly unlikely. But I don't think it's at all crazy to say that if a team with Super Bowl aspirations outside of their QB calls, he's thinking about it, and that includes the Jets as the current roster stands.
Playing a season for the Jets wouldn't do anything to his Patriots legacy. come on.
 

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Did he talk to his back-up Qbs as well?

Somebody--I'm guessing "A.A. Ron" told a reporter from the Athletic that Rodgers didn't like how the Jets coaching staff were using cut blocks b/c they don't give Rodgers enough time.
Yeah, that was some elite bus throwing work by Aaron. It may be true, but c'mon, they called the play, it worked perfectly, if Aaron can't execute quick plays at this stage in his career it's a problem.
 

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Yeah, that was some elite bus throwing work by Aaron. It may be true, but c'mon, they called the play, it worked perfectly, if Aaron can't execute quick plays at this stage in his career it's a problem.
He's such a baby. And I don't just say that because he won't be able to walk well for months.
 

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Yeah, that was some elite bus throwing work by Aaron. It may be true, but c'mon, they called the play, it worked perfectly, if Aaron can't execute quick plays at this stage in his career it's a problem.
To be fair to my guy, that’s on the record from before the game as far as I know, he manifested it. I do not believe he has released a statement post injury.
 

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Predictions for the next time Rodgers will be seen on the Jets sideline this season? Will he be at the Pats game week 3?
 

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To be fair to my guy, that’s on the record from before the game as far as I know, he manifested it. I do not believe he has released a statement post injury.
Maybe I'm missing it but everything I'm seeing (Stories by Zach Rosenblatt and Russinni on the Athletic) is dated 9/12. Not sure when those two learned about this issue or if they referenced it at any earlier point--and I don't have X/Twitter so perhaps one of them did mention it earlier).
 

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Maybe I'm missing it but everything I'm seeing (Stories by Zach Rosenblatt and Russinni on the Athletic) is dated 9/12. Not sure when those two learned about this issue or if they referenced it at any earlier point--and I don't have X/Twitter so perhaps one of them did mention it earlier).
I heard Rosenblatt talking about an article he had coming out and I think he said the info was from before the game
 

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Pod transcript, Zach discussing, the her is Russini:

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not sure re-reading. Saleh seems to dispute this, idk.
 
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Pod transcript, Zach discussing, the her is Russini:

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So if he is texting Russini about the cut blocks during the game they had the info prior, right? That’s how I heard it when I was listening.
Make sense. I'm sure you're right. Of course where they got the news that Rodgers was unhappy with the offensive play design before the game is another question. (And yes that is goalpost shifting).

Hint it was from Rodgers or his agent.
 
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Make sense. I'm sure you're right. Of course where they got the news that Rodgers was unhappy with the offensive play design before the game is another question.

Hint it was from Rodgers or his agent.
That would be quite the subterfuge because Russini and Schefter famously don’t talk to Rodgers. But it could be someone like Cobb or a coach or the agent as you say
 

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Kind of hard to believe Rodgers wouldn’t essentially be running that offense, what with his handpicked buddy Hackett as OC and tons of leverage given how desperate the Jets were to get him in the building.
 

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Rodgers just posted on insta, which afaik is the first statement he’s made since the injury. I won’t post it all because it’s mostly thanking people for reaching out and keeping him in their thoughts etc, but he ends it with “the night is darkest before the dawn. And I shall rise yet again.” So it seems like he’s planning on a return
 

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Rodgers just posted on insta, which afaik is the first statement he’s made since the injury. I won’t post it all because it’s mostly thanking people for reaching out and keeping him in their thoughts etc, but he ends it with “the night is darkest before the dawn. And I shall rise yet again.” So it seems like he’s planning on a return
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Rodgers just posted on insta, which afaik is the first statement he’s made since the injury. I won’t post it all because it’s mostly thanking people for reaching out and keeping him in their thoughts etc, but he ends it with “the night is darkest before the dawn. And I shall rise yet again.” So it seems like he’s planning on a return
2024 Jets: faith renewed one year later
 

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Rodgers just posted on insta, which afaik is the first statement he’s made since the injury. I won’t post it all because it’s mostly thanking people for reaching out and keeping him in their thoughts etc, but he ends it with “the night is darkest before the dawn. And I shall rise yet again.” So it seems like he’s planning on a return
Because his words are always a reflection of reality?

Also, thanking "all the people that reached out" doesn't mean that there were no such people.
 

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Gordon Hayward weeps at being forgotten.
I blame 9/11. The two grossest things I ever saw live at the gym was the planes hitting the towers and Gordon’s ankle. Given the day, I think my subconscious tied them together and blocked the Hayward injury out.
 

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It really has to be Wentz. There isn't realistically anyone else out there unless you consider Cam Newton available.
I doubt Wentz is interested. They don't play the Bears this year.

Joe Douglas was the Eagles VP of Player Personnel when they drafted Wentz and left a year before it all went to shit with him. Watching his old employer dump the guy and get significantly better doesn't make me optimistic he'll reach out to Wentz.

The book on him is pretty much set. Statistically, he's not bad. But he can't stay healthy and the bottom will drop out at the worst possible time.
 

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It’s not what I said.

He would need to get into football shape. He is not in football shape today.
Best example is probably when 44 year old Vinny Testaverde came out of retirement in 2007 to start 6 games for the Panthers and went 2-4. Had never previously played for them or under any of the main coaching staff to the best of my knowledge.

Random fact: Vinny is the winningest Jets QB over the last 30 years, slightly edging Pennington and Sanchez.