Wander Franco Is In Trouble (Grooming/Pedo Warning)

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It is a very weird move, particularly as Williams has been a guy the Rays have been very slow and deliberate in developing. Him being promoted this aggressively in light of the Franco situation is definitely a major eyebrow raiser and I can't help but think it has to be related.
In light of their injury woes, I guess the questions are -

1) do they see themselves going deep in the post-season if Franco is lost for the year? (or in the post-season at all?)

2) have they no one else to cover SS, so that promoting Williams is a possible fix?

3) is Williams even a possible fix?
 
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Dominican Republic Newspapers List & News Sites (newspapersstore.com)

One of the most widely read newspapers in the Dominican Republic is Listin Diario, which has been in circulation since 1889.
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Another major newspaper in the Dominican Republic is El Caribe, which was founded in 1948. Like Listin Diario, El Caribe covers a range of topics, with a focus on national and international news, sports, and business. The paper has a strong online presence and is known for its timely and reliable reporting.
Other newspapers in the Dominican Republic include Hoy, which is one of the most widely circulated newspapers in the country, and Diario Libre, which is known for its independent and investigative journalism.
Sounds like it's a legit paper, not the top paper but a player
 

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My Spanish is rusty but I believe the report actually says according to a source at the AG’s office there is an investigation of a complaint from a different minor. Not that the AG his/herself said that there is an investigation (as the Gomez tweet suggests)?

Also no idea how reliable “Diario Libre” is. “Listín Diario” is the oldest/most reliable in the DR I believe.
CNN reporting that someone in the AG's office confirmed the investigation to them.

The attorney general of the Dominican Republic is investigating Tampa Bay Rays All-Star shortstop Wander Franco for an alleged relationship with a minor, the attorney general’s office told CNN on Tuesday.

The office said it is in the middle of the investigation but did not reveal any further details.
 

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"Evidence against" sounds. . .not ideal, as opposed to something suggesting the stories are contradictory or the like.

Someone refresh my memory here?

What happens if there's credible evidence brought to MLB's attention? Do they suspend him pending the outcome of the investigation? Can he appeal and play?
 

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"Evidence against" sounds. . .not ideal, as opposed to something suggesting the stories are contradictory or the like.

Someone refresh my memory here?

What happens if there's credible evidence brought to MLB's attention? Do they suspend him pending the outcome of the investigation? Can he appeal and play?
He's on the Restricted List. I can't see him playing again until this situation is resolved. After that, who knows?
 

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Dominican investigation of Rays’ Wander Franco is being led by gender violence and minors division

Ángel Darío Tejeda Fabal, a prosecutor in Peravia, told The Associated Press on Wednesday that the investigation into Franco is open under The National Agency for Boys, Girls, Adolescents and Family and Gender Violence Unit. He said the probe is in its early stages and will be chaired by Judge Olga Diná Llaverías, a specialist on child abuse cases.

“This is a very delicate topic because there is a minor involved,” Fabal said. “We are working together (with Judge Llaverías).”

Fabal said prosecutors are gathering evidence and testimonies but did not provide details.

“Next week, we might be able to give some of the necessary information without hurting the investigation,” he said.
 

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He's on the Restricted List. I can't see him playing again until this situation is resolved. After that, who knows?
You're probably right. But Franco agreed with the Rays to go on the restricted list. Presumably he could argue he should come off it at some point, perhaps before MLB gets any kind of final report in hand?
 

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He's on the Restricted List. I can't see him playing again until this situation is resolved. After that, who knows?
Yeah. I think it's going to play out similarly to the Bauer case. He'll remain on the restricted list until such time that the legal system has run its course and MLB is satisfied with its own investigation.
 

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Yeah. I think it's going to play out similarly to the Bauer case. He'll remain on the restricted list until such time that the legal system has run its course and MLB is satisfied with its own investigation.
Just don’t send him to the minors. He may get confused thinking he’s getting another kind of minor.
 

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How corruptible is the Dominican justice system? If Wander bribes his way out of this, what is MLB going to do if there are no remaining charges?
 

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How corruptible is the Dominican justice system? If Wander bribes his way out of this, what is MLB going to do if there are no remaining charges?
Hopefully not as corruptible as the US, where Big Ben, Tyreke, Greg Hardy and Watson all paid off their victims and returned to play.
 

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Hopefully not as corruptible as the US, where Big Ben, Tyreke, Greg Hardy and Watson all paid off their victims and returned to play.
My memory was that Dominican authorities didn’t exactly cover themselves in glory with the investigation into the Ortiz shooting.
 

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Hector Gomez has sometimes been very wrong in the past, but this is awful.

“A person very close to the investigations into the case of Wander Franco: "It will be very unlikely that Wander Franco will play in MLB again, judging by the results of the investigations that are currently being carried out, which directly commit him to the accusations against him.” "

https://x.com/hgomez27/status/1692043960942751982
 

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This is the fastest moving sports scandal ever. The evidence must be overwhelming to go from “unconfirmed Instagram posts” to “his MLB career is over” in just three days.
 

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If Wander’s career were to be effectively over, I don’t know if I can think of a bigger waste of talent in the sports world.

This is 100% anecdotal, but when Wander hit that walk off homer just before all of this news broke, I thought it was strange how few teammates were celebrating at home plate with him. Normally guys are getting mobbed. I think I recall him also being suspended earlier in the year by the team for “being a difficult teammate.”

Maybe he isn’t that good a dude, but is just super good at baseball.
 

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If Wander’s career were to be effectively over, I don’t know if I can think of a bigger waste of talent in the sports world.

This is 100% anecdotal, but when Wander hit that walk off homer just before all of this news broke, I thought it was strange how few teammates were celebrating at home plate with him. Normally guys are getting mobbed. I think I recall him also being suspended earlier in the year by the team for “being a difficult teammate.”

Maybe he isn’t that good a dude, but is just super good at baseball.
Looks pretty mobbed to me.

View: https://twitter.com/TalkinBaseball_/status/1690176146455891968?s=20
 

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Looks pretty mobbed to me.
Just seemed like there were quite a few guys hanging back/getting out there pretty late.

Compare that to the Carlos Santana walkoff a few weeks ago. Just felt like every dude in the dugout was on him.

 

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Just seemed like there were quite a few guys hanging back/getting out there pretty late.

Compare that to the Carlos Santana walkoff a few weeks ago. Just felt like every dude in the dugout was on him.

It's Tampa Bay, and you're questioning attendance and showing up late for something baseball related?
 

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Now Gomez is backing off on this. Of course IF Wander is found guilty of something terrible like statutory rape, his career would be over. That’s not exactly groundbreaking stuff.
 

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"finally proven guilty"? Was this an unspoken thing in the DR?
I read it more as "if he is ultimately proven guilty" or "if in the end he is proven guilty" rather than finally in the sense of having known about an injustice for a long time.
 

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Thank you both. I'm starting to assume the worst at this point. Depressing.
I find I’d prefer these stories be true so we don’t add to the 0.00001% of “b$&@&)s lie” stories guys use to protect offenders like Kobe and sweep the zillion other examples under the rug.
 
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Now Gomez is backing off on this. Of course IF Wander is found guilty of something terrible like statutory rape, his career would be over. That’s not exactly groundbreaking stuff.
My money would be on something illegal and shameful at this point, but when he says “ultimately proven guilty of the accusations levied against him” does that mean it’s known what he’s been accused of?
 

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I find I’d prefer these stories be true so we don’t add to the 0.00001% of “bitches lie” stories guys use to protect offenders like Kobe and sweep the zillion other examples under the rug.
Yeah, and this. Absolutely zero good outcomes here.
 

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My money would be on something illegal and shameful at this point, but when he says “ultimately proven guilty of the accusations levied against him” does that mean it’s known what he’s been accused of?
The point of the quote in Spanish is that an investigation is ongoing and it's serious enough at this point that they are assuming that there's more than smoke.
What I don't get is the "precedent being set". If he is found guilty in a Court of Law in the DR or in the US his career is over, there is no if /ands/or buts about it. Would not be the first (not even of this offense).
 

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The point of the quote in Spanish is that an investigation is ongoing and it's serious enough at this point that they are assuming that there's more than smoke.
What I don't get is the "precedent being set". If he is found guilty in a Court of Law in the DR or in the US his career is over, there is no if /ands/or buts about it. Would not be the first (not even of this offense).
Maybe he means officially being permanently banned? That hasn't ever really happened, has it? Everyone I can think of just got blacklisted without any official ban, besides Pete Rose (and that was just for gambling not this kind of thing, ironically).
 

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Maybe he means officially being permanently banned? That hasn't ever really happened, has it? Everyone I can think of just got blacklisted without any official ban, besides Pete Rose (and that was just for gambling not this kind of thing, ironically).
Maybe but I think this reporter may be 3-5 steps ahead of the game.

MLB will probably keep him on the restricted list while he's on trial (I would think). But if he's found guilty it will depend on a lot of factors for MLB to oficially ban him for life.
 

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The point of the quote in Spanish is that an investigation is ongoing and it's serious enough at this point that they are assuming that there's more than smoke.
What I don't get is the "precedent being set". If he is found guilty in a Court of Law in the DR or in the US his career is over, there is no if /ands/or buts about it. Would not be the first (not even of this offense).
Understood. My point was that I don’t think we’ve heard anything about what the actual accusations are. The Marcano quote talks about the accusations potentially proving true. Does that mean he/Gómez know what the actual accusations are thus far?
 

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I think MLB would have very little incentive to officially and permanently ban a player based on legal matters or sex offenses when it's much easier to convince 30 owners to not sign a player who would bring a lot of public criticism and problems to their organization anyway. They're better off in the long run handling such things on a case-by-case basis than painting themselves into a corner by establishing (or ignoring) precedent in a realm where there's often going to be considerable gray area. I don't think they want to get into a situation where they'd be required to compare sex crimes going forward.
 

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Does that mean he/Gómez know what the actual accusations are thus far?
I think the basic accusation of wrongdoing appears clear enough. Wander's being investigated for sexual relationships/contacts with two separate minors.

If the general shape of DR law is what it appears to be, these are pretty cut and dried issues, and probably proven through or bolstered by electronic communications and records. That might be enough, but friends and relatives will be interviewed to corroborate the minor's story, and an alibi screening will be done to see whether Wander was in the country or not at the time of the alleged acts.

There are ways it might get complicated, depending on the facts, but if the leak is that there are photos and the girls are in fact underage. . .
 

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Luis Polonia was found guilty of having sexual intercourse with an underage girl, however the judge postponed sentencing until after the 1989 baseball season.[6] "I made a mistake and I'm really sorry for it," Polonia told the judge before the sentence was imposed. "I'm a human being and anybody can make the mistake I made."[7] Polonia, still with the New York Yankees, was sentenced to 60 days in jail and fined $1,500 on the misdemeanor charge of having sex with a 15-year-old girl. Thomas Doherty, Milwaukee County circuit judge, also ordered Polonia to make a $10,000 contribution to the Sinai Samaritan Medical Center's sexual assault treatment center in Milwaukee. Polonia pleaded no contest to the charge of having sexual intercourse with a child.[7] The Yankees ownership made no comment; however, manager Dallas Green said, "It's a shame to see that happen. It's a personal thing. All you can do is warn people. You can't live their lives."[8]
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I think MLB would have very little incentive to officially and permanently ban a player based on legal matters or sex offenses when it's much easier to convince 30 owners to not sign a player who would bring a lot of public criticism and problems to their organization anyway. They're better off in the long run handling such things on a case-by-case basis than painting themselves into a corner by establishing (or ignoring) precedent in a realm where there's often going to be considerable gray area. I don't think they want to get into a situation where they'd be required to compare sex crimes going forward.
I agree, but there's a question as to how long they have to ban someone before it becomes a de facto lifetime ban?

Say the wrongdoer is a phenom with a 20 year potential career and the issue arises when they're 21. They go to prison for a couple of years, come out, and. . .7 year ban? That's probably going to do it.

(Not that I'm arguing for that here - we still don't know what happened.)