I really love Raffy and I want him to be on the Sox for the next decade. But no way I'd pay him $350M to be a DH in a few years.No way Devers signs anything under $350 million.
These types of reports have been the kiss of death this off-season.
He won’t accept. Why would he? He can likely get just as much on the open market and this Red Sox team isn’t very good.
I am going 350. I been a Red Sox fan since 1975. Best 3 hitters I ever seen Manny,Ortiz and Devers. Devers is the youngest. Pay the man. If Bloom doesn't sign him than we know.10/325 doesnt seem crazy at all in this market.
If he accepts also make him the captain.He won’t accept. Why would he? He can likely get just as much on the open market and this Red Sox team isn’t very good.
We know...that the Sox factor defense into their player valuations?I am going 350. I been a Red Sox fan since 1975. Best 3 hitters I ever seen Manny,Ortiz and Devers. Devers is the youngest. Pay the man. If Bloom doesn't sign him than we know.
Devers is one of the best hitters that you have ever seen?I am going 350. I been a Red Sox fan since 1975. Best 3 hitters I ever seen Manny,Ortiz and Devers. Devers is the youngest. Pay the man. If Bloom doesn't sign him than we know.
Yep, Jackie Bradley and his defense was better then Hunter Renfrow. How did that defense work out over Hunter's 30 bombs and 90 plus Rbi?We know...that the Sox factor defense into their player valuations?
Yes. Clutch. He will get over 300 million. If not Red Sox than maybe Yankees.Devers is one of the best hitters that you have ever seen?
Exactly after what Swanson got. Devers is going to break the bank.10/325 doesnt seem crazy at all in this market.
Devers will become the richest Red Sox player ever.Exactly after what Swanson got. Devers is going to break the bank.
The two biggest free agents next year are Ohanti and Devers. If Bogaerts got a 11 year deal, what you think these 2 get? Pay up folks.Just a reminder (from mlb.com) of the next free agent class for shorts and third basemen
Third base: Matt Chapman, Rafael Devers, Josh Donaldson (mutual option), Eduardo Escobar (club option), Manny Machado (opt-out), Gio Urshela, Joey Wendle
Shortstop: Tim Anderson (club option), Brandon Crawford, Paul DeJong (club option), Isiah Kiner-Falefa, Adalberto Mondesi, Miguel Rojas, Amed Rosario
Yep, Jackie Bradley and his defense was better then Hunter Renfrow. How did that defense work out over Hunter's 30 bombs and 90 plus Rbi?
Yes. Clutch. He will get over 300 million. If not Red Sox than maybe Yankees.
They better because the reason why they traded Mookie Betts was payroll flexibility. Well, Betts gone,Xander gone. There is no way they get a third strike with Devers. Devers is only just turning 26 and will become the richest Red Sox in history. If not the Yankees, Mets,Dodgers or Padres will sign him. We shall see.
oh yea. That'll get them to 75 wins rather than 70.I mean, if we sign Eovaldi, trade for Hoskins and Kepler and acquire a 2B/SS (Adames, Segura, Drury, Rosario), I think it would still be a decent offseason.
Yeah. Thats a last place AL East team either wayoh yea. That'll get them to 75 wins rather than 70.
We're all concerning ourselves at the $35 mil a year number in today's dollars. Fast forward 5 free agent cycles and it's highly unlikely that salaries will suddenly start decreasing. Inflation and the economics of baseball are more likely to make it so that $35 mil becomes increasingly normal by the end of a 10 year deal.I really love Raffy and I want him to be on the Sox for the next decade. But no way I'd pay him $350M to be a DH in a few years.
Yes, I think Machado may still be better, but if the Sox signed him, I think that might do it for my fandom. On the other hand, I am probably the only person on earth worried about how Devers will age. He has such a tendency to put on fat, that I can see that getting worse as he ages. He is a wonderful hitter now, of course, but he needs to be in a lineup where they can't risk walking him.He might not even be the best FA third baseman on the market next season.
You definitely aren't the only one. Miguel Cabrera was an amazing hitter, until he pretty much fell off a cliff at age 33. And as much as I love Raffy, he isn't the hitter that Miggy was.Yes, I think Machado may still be better, but if the Sox signed him, I think that might do it for my fandom. On the other hand, I am probably the only person on earth worried about how Devers will age. He has such a tendency to put on fat, that I can see that getting worse as he ages. He is a wonderful hitter now, of course, but he needs to be in a lineup where they can't risk walking him.
The moment the Sox sign anyone you a rich long term deal, I will worry that that player will fall off a cliff. But if they extend Devers now to a ten year contract, that takes him from age 26 through age 35. If he produces at a high level through age 33 and then the last two years he’s below replacement level, I think you still sign that contract if you’re the Sox.You definitely aren't the only one. Miguel Cabrera was an amazing hitter, until he pretty much fell off a cliff at age 33. And as much as I love Raffy, he isn't the hitter that Miggy was.
Good points.im heavily skeptical of defensive statistics…. And the actual difference between the best and worst players at their positions is likely so minimal to the final standings. They need to be considered but I’ll take a Schwarber in Fenway RF over JBJ ‘22 any day.
The difference in range is likely to come into play maybe twice in a game and likelihood thatthat difference has an impact on a games outcome is minimal. The difference in their offensive potential impacting a game is way higher.
Please tell me which of the "cleaned out" prospects Dombrowski should have locked up. Dombrowski did leave the cupboards pretty bare of quality miL talent. He often traded quantity for the players he sought but he didn't really move many players who would have been worth the long term lock up that you seek. IMO, his biggest sin regarding the farm was not bringing back any real prospect capital and less than stellar drafting.Everything I hear Bloom say leads me to believe they are moving toward the ATL model. They value and pay players in their pre-arb through prime years. The difference is that Dombrowski cleaned out the farm system while ATL was stacked. ATL hasn't coughed up many contracts for their stars whose new contracts would cover many post-prime years. If you have a farm system in place that can draft and develop the talent you are set. Feels like Bloom is trying to field what looks like a "competitive team" until the farm is ready. This might be a rough 2 or 3 years if this is the plan.
Then why didn’t they extend Devers 2 years ago?Everything I hear Bloom say leads me to believe they are moving toward the ATL model. They value and pay players in their pre-arb through prime years. The difference is that Dombrowski cleaned out the farm system while ATL was stacked. ATL hasn't coughed up many contracts for their stars whose new contracts would cover many post-prime years. If you have a farm system in place that can draft and develop the talent you are set. Feels like Bloom is trying to field what looks like a "competitive team" until the farm is ready. This might be a rough 2 or 3 years if this is the plan.
Judge had one of the greatest offensive seasons in history. I'm taking the under on Devers matching that.The Yankees offered Judge 7/213 last offseason and he got 9/360.
Ok, then use Swanson as an example. Or Xander Bogaerts.Judge had one of the greatest offensive seasons in history. I'm taking the under on Devers matching that.
This is the point. If the Red Sox are trying to emulate the Braves approach, they're already starting too late. As this offseason shows, the offseason "game" is evolving on the fly, so by the time the Red Sox have 4-5 players worthy of Braves-like deals players, agents and advisors are going to look at the landscape as a whole before signing away the next five yearsIf you are a young position player it is insane to do anything other than hit free agency as soon as possible.
The Braves deals and several others are quickly going to look like deals from an entirely different era.
I hope that this is the way Bloom is building this team and we will see if that is the case with Bello and Casas this year/next offseason. If those guys come up and make immediate contributions and Bloom doesn't try to sign them to extensions after next season or during this season, then I will have some serious concerns about his approach. It seems like Bloom sees the young core that won us the 2018 WS as the team of the past, and Casas/Bello/Whitlock/Houck/Mayer as the core of the next contending team with some guys supplemented in FA, maybe a big deal for someone like Soto or Ohtani.Everything I hear Bloom say leads me to believe they are moving toward the ATL model. They value and pay players in their pre-arb through prime years. The difference is that Dombrowski cleaned out the farm system while ATL was stacked. ATL hasn't coughed up many contracts for their stars whose new contracts would cover many post-prime years. If you have a farm system in place that can draft and develop the talent you are set. Feels like Bloom is trying to field what looks like a "competitive team" until the farm is ready. This might be a rough 2 or 3 years if this is the plan.
If Devers hits 63 this season, how much will Bloom offer him?Judge had one of the greatest offensive seasons in history. I'm taking the under on Devers matching that.
He doesn't have to for contract purposes, given he's about 4.5 years younger.Judge had one of the greatest offensive seasons in history. I'm taking the under on Devers matching that.
Serious question, is Boston alone in this type of thing? I feel like many MLB rosters have turned over significantly since 2018. Isn't it the nature of the business these days?According to Pete Abraham, when Devers gets traded (Ed.: looking increasingly likely), the Sox will have no position players on the roster from the 2018 squad.
I have to believe there are many other teams like this, but that most are smaller markets. Big market clubs typically pay their good players to stay. At least some of them.Serious question, is Boston alone in this type of thing? I feel like many MLB rosters have turned over significantly since 2018. Isn't it the nature of the business these days?
Or, of course, 3B if Devers is tradedWould turner play 2nd? DH?
If Justin Turner goes somewhere else, the 2018 Dodgers would only have Chris Taylor and Max Muncy in 2023. Both of them were bad in 2022.I have to believe there are many other teams like this, but that most are smaller markets. Big market clubs typically pay their good players to stay. At least some of them.
Not saying that any prospect developed into being worthy of signing long-term. Just that the overall prospect pool was quite empty, as evidenced by the sox farm ranking. I agree with you that drafting was less than stellar. Perhaps what we are seeing now is just having no plan and poor talent evaluation, I hope not though. CheersPlease tell me which of the "cleaned out" prospects Dombrowski should have locked up. Dombrowski did leave the cupboards pretty bare of quality miL talent. He often traded quantity for the players he sought but he didn't really move many players who would have been worth the long term lock up that you seek. IMO, his biggest sin regarding the farm was not bringing back any real prospect capital and less than stellar drafting.
I really wish we all knew that answer. Seems like something that should have been done regardless of the approach the FO was going to take.Then why didn’t they extend Devers 2 years ago?
FWIW, he's put up .297/.391/.409 as a DH in 92 games.Would turner play 2nd? DH?
If Devers isn’t traded, he’s a great DH and to shift around the IF other than SS to give Devers, etc… a break and keep their bat in the lineup. It’s why JDM isn’t a good fit anymoreFWIW, he's put up .297/.391/.409 as a DH in 92 games.