Feel like once you're on wife number 15 maybe the wives aren't the problemWhat if it was a kind of crappy wife?
Feel like once you're on wife number 15 maybe the wives aren't the problemWhat if it was a kind of crappy wife?
I think they wait for everything to shake out.They don't call it "adult" entertainment for nothing.
Browns probably just trying to maintain some level of leverage. Assume they trade him ASAP.
It only works so long as the player sticks with the team, so yes... they can keep kicking the grenade down the road, but it eventually goes off. It also limits the number of people you can spread teh wealth around to as it gets increasingly tied up into dead money that builds and builds.the thing that I always laugh about with the Cap, is when when a team starts handing out big contracts, there is always the prevailing view that this team is" going for it" and they are " all in" with further quotes attributed to the fact that they are going for it now and by restructuring the contracts they are going to be paying for it later. It seems these team never pay for it later. When these young qb's like Allen and Mahomes get these massive deals everybody writes :they have a two year window while they are still on their rookie contract, with the assumption that when the assumption kicks in they are going to have to nuke the team. KC wont be able to afford, Hill and Kelce. Why do I have a feeling that when Mahomes extension kicks in both Kelce and Hill will still be there and KC will still be adding pieces. If your owner is willing to pay up front signing bonuses, then the cap can be bent to your will.
Does the grenade go off though? When the bill comes due, it seems like you pay it by moving money around and pushing other bills into the future.It only works so long as the player sticks with the team, so yes... they can keep kicking the grenade down the road, but it eventually goes off.
I think what really happens is you start bleeding talent at the edges, like the Saints have , you get stuck with guys who are in decline because you can't cut them, and your performance starts to tail as you have guys on big money with big names, but no longer big production.Does the grenade go off though? When the bill comes due, it seems like you pay it by moving money around and pushing other bills into the future.
Yes it goes off though.. as once Brady left you can't transfer his dead cap hit to someone else. Or Brees so depending how much you kept pushing the grenade down the road. The larger that individual grenade gets, but also all the other grenades you have also been pushing keep getting larger and larger too. So yes it does go off. It can be mitigated if you get lucky, managed well and can manage when they go off, but you can also get screwed if you don't plan well and if the Cap doesn't go up enough to allow you to keep pushing. So it erodes at the edges what talent you can sign in free agency and what you can pay your own free agents.Does the grenade go off though? When the bill comes due, it seems like you pay it by moving money around and pushing other bills into the future.
Jerrah hasn’t won since Jimmy J but has had teams that had enough talent to. They just collapsed. Those guys haven’t fielded a single team that has so much as sniffed a postseason run.Haslam is in the "toxic owners whose team won't win with them in charge" group with Snyder and post-JimmyJ Jerrah J.
Yeah, by ASAP I meant as soon as they reasonably can, which may be after some more dominoes drop.I think they wait for everything to shake out.
Problem for them is... who is their QB this year... they can't re-set, they made a bunch of win soon moves. I guess you make a hard Jimmy G push?
Minor correction, Switzer was the coach of the SB30 winning team, but that was a pretty stacked team with the Jimmy Johnson core plus Prime Time, so basically you could credit JJ for a big part of that, all Switzer had to do was not step on his own toes (ala 1994 NFC Championship) and he would have had 2 rings. But fuck Jerrah and his organization.Jerrah hasn’t won since Jimmy J but has had teams that had enough talent to. They just collapsed. Those guys haven’t fielded a single team that has so much as sniffed a postseason run.
Probably a case of knowing that if they do get Watson by pushing the date it makes it easier to trade him to somewhere he wants to go.Is it a little weird that the Falcons are in on Watson and Matt Ryan is apparently ok with it?
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Lest we forget; this team had a chance to grab a QB in last year’s draft and chose a (admittedly good) TE instead.
I think Matty Ice has a few good years left. Would love to see him succeed (anywhere but Pitt). What are his realistic landing spots? NO? Sea? Cle if they move Baker?Probably a case of knowing that if they do get Watson by pushing the date it makes it easier to trade him to somewhere he wants to go.
ColtsI think Matty Ice has a few good years left. Would love to see him succeed (anywhere but Pitt). What are his realistic landing spots? NO? Sea? Cle if they move Baker?
Unless you think the players are being bamboozled in the money they are getting, eventually it comes due.
I should have been clearer, as I feel the same about Switzer.Minor correction, Switzer was the coach of the SB30 winning team, but that was a pretty stacked team with the Jimmy Johnson core plus Prime Time, so basically you could credit JJ for a big part of that, all Switzer had to do was not step on his own toes (ala 1994 NFC Championship) and he would have had 2 rings. But fuck Jerrah and his organization.
I suppose there's a number of ways for a presence like Jerrah to mess up a team, besides talent shortfalls. He regularly seems to be doing or saying just the wrong thing at just the wrong time. But, if there's a scale, he is defintely less shitty than Haslam or Snyder. Unlike those two, he does have some football acumen.Jerrah hasn’t won since Jimmy J but has had teams that had enough talent to. They just collapsed. Those guys haven’t fielded a single team that has so much as sniffed a postseason run.
The Raiders being the target for that comment was weird anyway... they had a ton of cap space, they signed 1 fairly big FA in Jones (but even his deal isn't that big), and traded for Adams, they SHOULD still have money left, their whole roster was built for this to be a big splash offseason. Before the Adams deal they have only 2 players on the team with cap hits over $10M, and NONE over $20M.Unless you think the players are being bamboozled in the money they are getting, eventually it comes due.
I keep seeing this, but then I try to figure out how the Falcons exist as a football team in 2022-23 with a $55M dead money cap hit for sending away Ryan, and then account for Watson's huge base salary ($35M). Watson could surely sign a new contract to make his hit much more reasonable, but that $55M is just insane. Philly struggled mightily with their roster last year after taking a $33M cap for the Wentz trade, offsetting that by starting a rookie QB with a 1.5M salary. The Pats could do the same after a tough 2020 thanks to Mac. Would Watson make his base salary rookie-level? Even then, ATL would have to shed more than they already have.Seems to me the best case scenario for the Colts is that Watson goes to the Falcons and Matty Ice goes to them.
Not to mention the picks ATL will have to give up to get Watson will mean they can't really build through the draft while Watson is on the team for a few years and they have roughly zero receivers for Watson to throw to in ATL besides Pitts. They could trade for Watson and still be a bottom 5 team and miss out on a franchise QB in next years loaded draft class.I keep seeing this, but then I try to figure out how the Falcons exist as a football team in 2022-23 with a $55M dead money cap hit for sending away Ryan, and then account for Watson's huge base salary ($35M). Watson could surely sign a new contract to make his hit much more reasonable, but that $55M is just insane. Philly struggled mightily with their roster last year after taking a $33M cap for the Wentz trade, offsetting that by starting a rookie QB with a 1.5M salary. The Pats could do the same after a tough 2020 thanks to Mac. Would Watson make his base salary rookie-level? Even then, ATL would have to shed more than they already have.
Shanahan in SF would be a great fit but the Niners run the risk of burning through Lance's rookie contract if Ryan plays well for more than a year.I think Matty Ice has a few good years left. Would love to see him succeed (anywhere but Pitt). What are his realistic landing spots? NO? Sea? Cle if they move Baker?
Matt Ryan's dead money cap hit would be $40.5M (so they actually save money, about $8M), the $55M was based on his restructure, but that was never actually finalized. So they pushed back his roster bonus, they trade him, he gets to INDY and gets an extension.I keep seeing this, but then I try to figure out how the Falcons exist as a football team in 2022-23 with a $55M dead money cap hit for sending away Ryan, and then account for Watson's huge base salary ($35M). Watson could surely sign a new contract to make his hit much more reasonable, but that $55M is just insane. Philly struggled mightily with their roster last year after taking a $33M cap for the Wentz trade, offsetting that by starting a rookie QB with a 1.5M salary. The Pats could do the same after a tough 2020 thanks to Mac. Would Watson make his base salary rookie-level? Even then, ATL would have to shed more than they already have.
Much thanks for the explanation. OTC had the $55.5M figure the other day, but they've since corrected down to the $40.5M figure you cited. It'll still be hilarious if Watson comes aboard, and then is suspended for 6 games, but this does explain the feasibility of the trade at least.Matt Ryan's dead money cap hit would be $40.5M (so they actually save money, about $8M), the $55M was based on his restructure, but that was never actually finalized. So they pushed back his roster bonus, they trade him, he gets to INDY and gets an extension.
So a trade like that would mean the Falcons are taking on whatever Watson's base ends up being, minus about $8M. They have about $5M in cap space now.
Add in that money will likely go to HOU in the Watson deal, and players may come back from IND, plus Jarrett, Matthews and Jones all have deals that can be extended/re-structured to open space and it isn't crazy.
Also, if the (hopefully) forthcoming Watson suspension is for 8+ games, it might make sense to keep both of them.Matt Ryan's dead money cap hit would be $40.5M (so they actually save money, about $8M), the $55M was based on his restructure, but that was never actually finalized. So they pushed back his roster bonus, they trade him, he gets to INDY and gets an extension.
So a trade like that would mean the Falcons are taking on whatever Watson's base ends up being, minus about $8M. They have about $5M in cap space now.
Add in that money will likely go to HOU in the Watson deal, and players may come back from IND, plus Jarrett, Matthews and Jones all have deals that can be extended/re-structured to open space and it isn't crazy.
Agreed with all of this. People seem to think there is one "bill that comes due," but cap expenditures are a series of smaller bills that come due at different times. The Saints are stuck with the bad back end of decisions they made 3-4 years ago and thus their heavily-backloaded current deals aren't providing as much surplus value, they're just counterweighting value deficits.Yes it goes off though.. as once Brady left you can't transfer his dead cap hit to someone else. Or Brees so depending how much you kept pushing the grenade down the road. The larger that individual grenade gets, but also all the other grenades you have also been pushing keep getting larger and larger too. So yes it does go off. It can be mitigated if you get lucky, managed well and can manage when they go off, but you can also get screwed if you don't plan well and if the Cap doesn't go up enough to allow you to keep pushing. So it erodes at the edges what talent you can sign in free agency and what you can pay your own free agents.
And you have to hope all your high priced superstars stay healthy. Or you are stuck with running with the cheap talent, and hoping you get lucky with those guys.
Raiders have a ton of 2022 cap space, too. I don't really like the Adams move for them given his age, the leverage they had, and how much draft capital it's costing, but his contract isn't going to kill them.The Raiders being the target for that comment was weird anyway... they had a ton of cap space, they signed 1 fairly big FA in Jones (but even his deal isn't that big), and traded for Adams, they SHOULD still have money left, their whole roster was built for this to be a big splash offseason. Before the Adams deal they have only 2 players on the team with cap hits over $10M, and NONE over $20M.
ASAP may be pretty pretty quick.Yeah, by ASAP I meant as soon as they reasonably can, which may be after some more dominoes drop.
But they can get someone to provide comparable value to a disgruntled Baker for less than $18.9m. Jameis? Minshew? Idk.
He never was. His deal was perfectly reasonable for a guy with 1 good season as a legit deep threat and a bunch of okay ones as a 2nd/3rd wideout.Do all these deals for wideouts imply that the Agholor deal was not an overpay? Or at least will not be going forward?
I mean with Agholor that's just accounting, but if you want to do that, then he got paid $7M last year, and his production was fine for the money.Top 4 cap hits on the team
Judon 16.5
Henry 15.0
Agholor 14.9
Smith 13.7
I would think Agholor and Smith are overpaid. Are there teams that would trade for those guys and their contracts and provide value In return?
yeah I think at some point in one of the many threads we went through it and early in the year Mac was just missing badly on deep balls with Agholor open, some of it was the line being rough, some of it was bad reads, some was just not getting enough on the ball due to bad footwork.I would also think some of Agholor‘s lack of targets had something to do with Mac not doing a lot of deep reads as a rookie learning the system (IIRC, he had Mac’s first TD pass and then … not a lot else). It wouldn’t surprise me to see Agholor be more of a target this year with Mac up to speed and stretching the playbook a bit.
Dallas has played in 0 NFC Championship games since 1996. They also have a total of 3 playoff wins in that time span. One playoff win every 9 years.Jerrah hasn’t won since Jimmy J but has had teams that had enough talent to. They just collapsed. Those guys haven’t fielded a single team that has so much as sniffed a postseason run.
That's what makes them perfect for being America's TeamThey excel in one thing and one thing only, hype.
“Shit, we missed out on Watson. Let‘s give a lot of money to the other sex criminal.”
“Hey Tom, I’m about to sign with Bill…better do something”