Rapoport has it as a 3 year deal worth between $21 and $24M.
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NFL Free Agent Frenzy
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All the weirder that he visited the Pats. There's no way the Pats were offering anything higher than like 3 years and $10-12M
Right? And I'm sorry but does that Fournette contract look insane to anyone else? he's already 27
Might as well add this here as well
Mary Kay Cabot thinks that if the Browns wind up cutting Baker, watch the Steelers
https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/03/22/steelers-baker-mayfield-free-agent-rumors-browns-deshaun-watson
Mary Kay Cabot thinks that if the Browns wind up cutting Baker, watch the Steelers
https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/03/22/steelers-baker-mayfield-free-agent-rumors-browns-deshaun-watson
Do we think the Browns cut him? I mean it saves them no money at all, might as well take the toxic year, especially if Watson is suspended.
how would they not? They're well under the cap right now and Baker has no money on his deal other than the guaranteed base, cutting him has no effect on cap space versus holding him. A trade would likely clear cap space.
I don't see the incentive to cut him, but there is no reason they couldn't from a cap perspective
I don't understand why the Panthers aren't interested. The Browns have no leverage so the acquisition cost would be reasonable. And their incumbent is Sam Darnold, who is trash. Mayfield has been hot and cold but why wouldn't you buy low on a former top pick much like you just did with Darnold? Baker is about to turn 27 and has had 2 good years out of 4 and last year probably had some injury-related reasons for his struggles. Scouts must really not like him or perhaps there are leadership concerns.
I wonder if part of it for some teams is that if you trade assets for him, you basically have to give him an extension, and so for the Panthers for example, they'd rather pay Darnold $18.5M this year, be bad and then have a fresh slate at QB next year, versus either:
1. Paying $37M for Baker and Darnold
OR
2. Paying Darnold $18.5M, and pay Baker for multiple years on top.
Possible. Just feel like teams like the Giants, Seahawks, and Panthers should all potentially be interested. Lions too although I guess Goff's deal is clogging some of their cap. Will be interesting to see where Baker goes if he has to take a backup role. He becomes a distraction if he goes somewhere and doesn't get a starting gig so you're right that you pretty much have to commit to him if you're trading for him. And it appears nobody is currently willing to do that.
I feel like the Seahawks should be, Panthers maybe, honestly for the Giants I don't see it, Jones is younger and arguably better, and that team is in full rebuild mode.
Yeah, Seattle to me is the team that makes sense for me with Baker. They're also the team that makes the most sense for me with Jimmy G, though I can't see SF trading him in the division. I won't be surprised if the 49ers overplayed their hand and wind up cutting Garoppolo though.
I get not wanting to trade within your division (kinda sometimes sorta), but if the Seahawks want to give up something of value for Jimmy G & no one else does it seems like a no-brainer.
I wonder whether teams are so pissed off at the Browns over the Watson guaranteed money (and what it means for QBs down the road) that there's a non-nod agreement to stick it to Cleveland
Now I feel slow.
In my defense, I haven't listened to him in years. I think I'm still mad about Sports Jeopardy.
I hadn't considered the Lions, but the Lions with 2020 Baker would be easy to root for. Cap machinations aside, for some of these teams where it's clear the incumbent is not the future (Lions and Panthers in particular), there has to be a point where the trade price is low enough that it's worth it just as a lottery ticket to see if you can solve QB without the draft. I'm admittedly less done on Baker than some, though - of course if you're confident he sucks it's not worth anything.
I have a pretty low opinion of Daniel Jones, which colors my analysis. It'd be more about bringing competition to a guy who hasn't done anything to really impress in his first few years but I recognize he's a tough one to evaluate given how much of a mess it is around him and maybe they want to give him one more year as "the guy" before deciding on a long-term contract.
I think to me it's basically that you need to make an up/down decision on Jones this year, and he looked the best he has for a portion of last year before his entire pass catching corps got hurt, then he got hurt, and all while playing behind the worst line in the league. He may stink again, but if I was going to pick one of the two to get a look at for this one year, it's probably Jones, and it's definitely Jones if he's already on my roster and I don't have to trade an asset and eat $18.5M for the look.
If Mayfield gets released on the other hand..... NYG should definitely give him a look then.
Seahawks won't trade draft capital for a QB this year. Especially Baker Mayfield. Mayfield doesn't fit into Pete's running philosophy. Jimmy G could fit, but the Seahawks will just wait it out and sign him if he gets released. Another factor for the Seahawks is they only have about $11M in cap room, so they couldn't fit either Mayfield or Jimmy G under the cap with their existing deals. They are loathe to restructuring deals to clear cap room and they don't really have any deals they could do that with anyway. They have so much dead money ($45M) eating the cap space they had. Their top cap number right now is DT Poona Ford at a little over $10M.
Baker Mayfield is at his best running play action, (e.g. his 2020 season) so I think he would definitely fit into Pete's philosophy.
Baker was miserable this year. Nobody can argue otherwise, there were games where he was AWFUL and could barely complete a 5 yard out. And in a bunch of big games he was better at completing passes to the other team. And his performance in the first half of that Monday night game against Pittsburgh in Week 17 set the NFL back 40 decades.
But he was also injured pretty badly and shouldn't have been playing at all. Baker is good. He's not exceptional but he would be a good QB for any team to pick up.
Breer reported that Browns were looking for a first round pick for Baker after the Watson trade. If true, they are/were delusional. I think a late round pick is more likely and Cleveland might need to eat some salary.
Not many options left. Atlanta, Indy and NO all went in other directions. Panthers reportedly are not interested.
I think Seattle would be a good fit. NYG might work. Either way it's a one year tryout at QB and Baker has had better seasons than Jones. But Jones is cheaper and more familiar. Lions are a possibility but might be a tight fit with Goff contract.
If 1st round ask is true then Houston might still have some interest at a low cost but indications are they are going with Mills.
If I was Cleveland, I'd listen if the Steelers called. While I think Mayfield could be a solid QB, I wouldn't have any 2nd thoughts about trading him within the division.
Not many options left. Atlanta, Indy and NO all went in other directions. Panthers reportedly are not interested.
I think Seattle would be a good fit. NYG might work. Either way it's a one year tryout at QB and Baker has had better seasons than Jones. But Jones is cheaper and more familiar. Lions are a possibility but might be a tight fit with Goff contract.
If 1st round ask is true then Houston might still have some interest at a low cost but indications are they are going with Mills.
If I was Cleveland, I'd listen if the Steelers called. While I think Mayfield could be a solid QB, I wouldn't have any 2nd thoughts about trading him within the division.
yeah, a 1st given the contract isn't happening. I think his value is probably a 3rd.... BUT... there are few suitors, the Browns badly burned their bridges, and they are gonna take a huge cap hit, so they won't get that.
Jets and Dolphins in serious talks to land Tyreek Hill from KC. Apparently Hill's agent has had permission to talk to teams about a trade.
View: https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1506650156623704064?s=20&t=OFbziDhKGgEX05tCMkl_SQ
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it appears that extension talks failed and now they are seeking a trade. Adams trade and contract would certainly be a factor
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That’s an improvement over sending it 6 yards short on a vertical route.
I love your optimism.
I chuckled...but Hill/Waddle would be scary. Put up / shut up time for Tua moving forward.
Chiefs working on a (inferior) replacement for Hill?
View: https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1506649089605353475?s=20&t=AcBUBxg6UyYxlQl7oUdhWg
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Hill to the Jets would be ideal, but Hill to Miami works too. Anything that makes Mahomes/KC less dangerous is good for the Pats. I’m comfortable that both the NYJ and the Dolphins will screw shit up anyways, so I’d be fine with the Child Abuser in the AFC East.
That’s a tough 1-2, no question.
I just hate Hill with a passion so it’s hard for me to think objectively about him.
I just hate Hill with a passion so it’s hard for me to think objectively about him.
I dunno man, in this league, if you’ve got A+ quarterback play you’re never totally out of it.
That AFC West is insane though.
I think losing Hill changes the odds from Chiefs probably winning the AFC West to probably not.
I tend to agree with you but always wondered what Mahomes would look like without an A+ WR and TE. I guess we will find out sooner rather than later.
Well this is an interesting wrinkle -
View: https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1506662775698907147?s=20&t=AcBUBxg6UyYxlQl7oUdhWg
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I hope he goes to the Jets because the Jets are a much bigger piece of shit franchise, and they deserve to have the ultimate piece of shit toil away there under a cap killing contract. Fuck all parties involved though.
