He got to AA in 2019 and gave up 8 HRs in like 50 IP and walked too many.Didn't the reliever the Sox draft only a year ago make a MLB appearance. Durbin Feltman??? What happened to him.... was expected to "contribute immediately" as I recall
He got to AA in 2019 and gave up 8 HRs in like 50 IP and walked too many.Didn't the reliever the Sox draft only a year ago make a MLB appearance. Durbin Feltman??? What happened to him.... was expected to "contribute immediately" as I recall
The internet is a great resource...Didn't the reliever the Sox draft only a year ago make a MLB appearance. Durbin Feltman??? What happened to him.... was expected to "contribute immediately" as I recall
My cousin plays against Brady House in travel ball in GA. He is an absolute beast at SS and on the mound where he throws 94-96.From The Athletic:
Baseball America projects Rocker to be the No. 1 pick, with Miami catcher Adrian Del Castillo, Florida outfielder Jud Fabian, Vanderbilt starter Jack Leiter and high-school shortstops Brady House and Jordan Lawlar all in the mix at the top of the draft.
Looks like just one guy's opinion. Every other mock I've read has the player the Sox pick already taken.Umm, guys... look at this mock, guys:
https://prospectsworldwide.com/2020/11/24/pww-2021-mlb-mock-draft-1-0/
Yeah, looks like one Red Sox fan's dream. Texas isn't for want of left-side talent right, and Detroit has a halfway decent record of developing pitching talent. The cards would have to fall in a weird way for this to ever happen.Looks like just one guy's opinion. Every other mock I've read has the player the Sox pick already taken.
Yeah, it would be great. He looks like a stud.Yeah, looks like one Red Sox fan's dream. Texas isn't for want of left-side talent right, and Detroit has a halfway decent record of developing pitching talent. The cards would have to fall in a weird way for this to ever happen.
I know drafting for need is not a winning strategy. That said if this guy at 4 is polarizing, I find it hard to see the Sox not picking Leiter, a guy who some prefer to Rocker.4. Red Sox: Jud Fabian, OF, Florida
Fabian might be the most polarizing prospect among the eight players who seem to have separated themselves from the rest of the Draft class at this point. He could have the most usable power in the Draft and may stay in center field, but he also has hit just .250 with a 22-percent strikeout rate in two seasons at Florida.
Agreed. Dudes with high-end power but questions on the hit tool are great picks in rounds 2 and 3.Taking a guy who hit .250 in two college seasons with a 20%+ K-rate at #4 overall would be a Trey Ball-esque disaster.
We’ll see all the college prospects play in games before the draft as well.Looking over Callis's write ups, Jaden Hill looks like a better bet, assuming he's healthy (which I would think would be clear from practice and medicals by the time the draft rolls around).
That is how they wasted their 1st rd pick in 2020. Sox have to get a top ranked SP prospect with their pick this yrStrongly guess the Sox will want college. I'll be stunned if they don't take Rocker SP, Leiter SP, Fabian CF, Hill SP if they have the chance. If they somehow get #2 I bet they take the player that'll take the best discount. Load up on tough signs that way.
This is ridiculous and wrong on so many levels.That is how they wasted their 1st rd pick in 2020. Sox have to get a top ranked SP prospect with their pick this yr
They didn’t waste their first round pick. They drafted a guy that wouldn’t have lasted until the third and then with their third rounder grabbed a guy that floated due to signing issues. Six months later Yorke is considered a legit prospect. So they did pretty well for themselves.That is how they wasted their 1st rd pick in 2020. Sox have to get a top ranked SP prospect with their pick this yr
Most mocks Right now have the Sox taking Leiter or Hill #4
Would you please provide some support for the statement that Yorke is a "wasted" pick. I checked on Soxprospects to be sure and Yorke has play zero games as a professional minor leaguer. It seems way too early to make such blanket assertions.That is how they wasted their 1st rd pick in 2020. Sox have to get a top ranked SP prospect with their pick this yr
How is it wrong? I am not saying Yorke might not turn out to be a decent player but didn't we already acquire a guy who is our 2B of the future in the Mookie trade?? This team needs PITCHING in the worst way and Bloom has missed 2 big opportunities to acquire some. Plus it is usually pretty easy to pick up decent 2B on the FA market for a lot cheaper than quality pitchers. Overpaying for FA pitchers is what got the Sox into cap trouble to start with. Team needs to develop some of their own homegrown guys. When is the last time they developed a decent SP from their system?? To be fair it looks like we may have some good ones coming but we have heard that before. { Owens, Raunado, Kelly,} just to name a few.This is ridiculous and wrong on so many levels.
Whether I said the exact words or not I obviously meant a wasted 1st round pick.Would you please provide some support for the statement that Yorke is a "wasted" pick. I checked on Soxprospects to be sure and Yorke has play zero games as a professional minor leaguer. It seems way too early to make such blanket assertions.
Downs has barely sniffed AA. I don't think it's fair to refer to somebody as "our X of the future" when they haven't spent any time at AA. You can't project a major league career out of two single A seasons in 99% of cases. There's the occasional Pujols or A-rod type player who spends next to no time at all in the minors, but that's very rare. Downs isn't developed enough to know exactly what he is and we know nothing of Yorke's positional versatility.I am not saying Yorke might not turn out to be a decent player but didn't we already acquire a guy who is our 2B of the future in the Mookie trade??
You make some good points but you have not convinced me that Yorke was a good pick at #12 overall. There were MANY MANY eyes raised throughout MLB over that pick. At worst it is very likely he would still have been there with our #2 pick.. If Hill has medical issues I would hope the Sox would do their due diligence on his health records. But if I am making this pick I am taking what I perceive to be the BEST pitching prospect available. The only exception might be at the C position because I don't think we are that deep there either. Wong was the 3rd ranked LA catching prospect. I think Vaz has 3 years tops left at his current level so I would be looking to add top C depth too but PITCHING remains my #1 priority.Downs has barely sniffed AA. I don't think it's fair to refer to somebody as "our X of the future" when they haven't spent any time at AA. You can't project a major league career out of two single A seasons in 99% of cases. There's the occasional Pujols or A-rod type player who spends next to no time at all in the minors, but that's very rare. Downs isn't developed enough to know exactly what he is and we know nothing of Yorke's positional versatility.
It's far too early to call that pick wasted. He seemed to impress coaches at the alternate site last year, and that's as much as we could have expected. I also think the assertion that saving money in the draft is an organizational goal is absurd. It's more interesting to speculate on the players we could draft than to wring hands over our perception of the ownership group.
With that said, all I can find on Jaden Hill's shoulder injury from 2019 is a few vague mentions on the first page of google and a quote from his strength and conditioning coach that they hope adding muscle in the weight room will "stabilize his elbow." That's a pretty uncomfortable amount of smoke surrounding the health of a pitcher that young. I imagine MLB teams know a lot more than the first 5 results of google, and Hill is super interesting (6'5, 233, 98 mph heat). I feel like if there's any issues with his health he has no shot of going top 3, though. If we're all hoping for a pitcher, in a worst case scenario where Rocker and Leiter are both off the board, Hill really looks the part every bit as much as they do.
Sorry yes of course you are right about that. Shame on my bad memory. Still don't agree with the Yorke pick at #12 though. In fact that fact we didn't have a 2nd rd pick makes it even worse IMO.Boston didn’t have a second round pick.
Yorke was the # 17 pick. I too was very annoyed when they took him -- I was thrilled to be able to get Garrett Mitchell that late, and when they picked a guy I hadn't heard of, I shouted something unprintable. But now I'm thinking this might turn out well -- Yorke could be a sleeper, and if Blaze Jordan turns out to be useful, then great. But there's certainly the possibility they were too clever for their own good, just as they did with Trey Ball.
And with the fourth pick, you don't go for need. You pick the best player available.
They got a guy that wouldn’t have lasted until the third round and got a top 50 draft prospect in the third round. And Yorke has shown enough playing against advanced competition at the alternative site last year that he’s gotten serious buzz. It doesn’t matter that Downs will make the majors first, because in MLB you always need plans B, C, D, and E if plan A turns out to not be worth his post-arb deal.Sorry yes of course you are right about that. Shame on my bad memory. Still don't agree with the Yorke pick at #12 though. In fact that fact we didn't have a 2nd rd pick makes it even worse IMO.
With the 4th pick you take the best player, not best player at a position of need. I don’t care who they take or what position, just as long as they are top 4 ranked.Poop don't even remind me about Trey Ball. ABSOLUTE DISASTER PICK !! And i agree that in the 4th rd you go with the best player available.
He was the 17th pick of the draft. Your memory (and Google skills) need some work.Sorry yes of course you are right about that. Shame on my bad memory. Still don't agree with the Yorke pick at #12 though. In fact that fact we didn't have a 2nd rd pick makes it even worse IMO.
Maybe stop apologizing for mistakes (you have like 7 posts in here, 2 of them are you saying sorry for getting things wrong) and put more thought into things.Sorry yes of course you are right about that. Shame on my bad memory. Still don't agree with the Yorke pick at #12 though. In fact that fact we didn't have a 2nd rd pick makes it even worse IMO.
Well it's certainly not because of how we respond to poorly written, factually wrong posts. If anything, the board is worlds more genteel in its response to such than it was in its hayday.And we wonder why there is a lack of new blood at SOSH.
I'm on the opposite side of the fence; big fastballs are just more likely to result in arm injuries to me. There's a lot of ways to skin the starting cat, and I certainly have my profile weaknesses (plus sinkers and plus changeups always get my attention, as I think both are heavily underrated by analysts; they don't get the acclaim of a plus fastball or plus breaking ball, but can offer similar upside ceteris paribus), but I think velocity is widely overrated, particularly when it comes to high school pitchers. To me at least, the Riley Pint profile is the single most overrated draft prospect in the MLB; if they're cracking triple digits as a teenager, I want no part of them, because their arm is practically a 50-50 bet to crack in half by the time they're 20.All these theoretical arguments are still interesting -- for example, I always instinctively prefer position players with strong hit tools and pitchers with big fastballs even if they don't project to start. And God knows I certainly still plan on developing a bitterly-held opinion about the 2021 prospects based on, I don't know, Twitter or whatever. But my guess is that the reason they do something we don't expect in the draft is usually that they saw something we can't have seen.
Maybe stop apologizing for mistakes (you have like 7 posts in here, 2 of them are you saying sorry for getting things wrong) and put more thought into things.
I would even dignify that arrogance with a reply.He was the 17th pick of the draft. Your memory (and Google skills) need some work.
And Yorke was ranked where we picked him last year??With the 4th pick you take the best player, not best player at a position of need. I don’t care who they take or what position, just as long as they are top 4 ranked.
Enlighten me as to who the top 50 prospect we got was??They got a guy that wouldn’t have lasted until the third round and got a top 50 draft prospect in the third round. And Yorke has shown enough playing against advanced competition at the alternative site last year that he’s gotten serious buzz. It doesn’t matter that Downs will make the majors first, because in MLB you always need plans B, C, D, and E if plan A turns out to not be worth his post-arb deal.
And yet you just did.I would even dignify that arrogance with a reply.
Do you have an opinion on a specific pitcher they should have drafted at #17? The Red Sox had roughly $5 million in draft pool money. They got Yorke for 1 million below slot value at $2.7 million and Blaze for 1.75 million. So their top 2 picks cost about 4.5 million total. Now you have $500,000 left to play with.Enlighten me as to who the top 50 prospect we got was??
I agree with your points and agree that this is the approach the Sox took. However, it’s worth noting that there were three college pitchers taken later in the first round, beginning with the next pick, who cost less than $2.7m to sign (Jarvis, Shuster, Miller), each of whom seemed to be ranked higher than Yorke. https://www.mlb.com/draft/tracker/2020 https://www.mlb.com/prospects/draft/Do you have an opinion on a specific pitcher they should have drafted at #17? The Red Sox had roughly $5 million in draft pool money. They got Yorke for 1 million below slot value at $2.7 million and Blaze for 1.75 million. So their top 2 picks cost about 4.5 million total. Now you have $500,000 left to play with.
Now the crux of the matter is, If they drafted a pitcher at 17, that slot value was $3,600,000. There is no way they would have been able to pay for just their 2 top picks alone, much less signing a 4th and 5th rounder.
This was a money issue. They got 2 solid picks on discount, and were able to toss some cash to two left handed pitchers.
bringing this thread back to the 2021 thread, I’m mildly surprised that Hill is not listed. Personally I would prefer Hill over Leiter as he is bigger and I have less concerns over his arm long term than Leiters (purely based on size and not science, but I’m concerned with Leiter being slight and throwing that hard). Leiter could turn into the next Pedro and prove me wrong, I just have concerns.From The Athletic:
Baseball America projects Rocker to be the No. 1 pick, with Miami catcher Adrian Del Castillo, Florida outfielder Jud Fabian, Vanderbilt starter Jack Leiter and high-school shortstops Brady House and Jordan Lawlar all in the mix at the top of the draft.