2021 Draft

Danny_Darwin

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bringing this thread back to the 2021 thread, I’m mildly surprised that Hill is not listed. Personally I would prefer Hill over Leiter as he is bigger and I have less concerns over his arm long term than Leiters (purely based on size and not science, but I’m concerned with Leiter being slight and throwing that hard). Leiter could turn into the next Pedro and prove me wrong, I just have concerns.

For me it’s 1.) Rocker 2.) Hill 3.) Lawlar 4.) Fabian and I would be thrilled with any of the 4 at pick 4.
I am not a subscriber so I didn’t read it, but BA’s mock has them taking someone entirely different from any of the names you mentioned: a high-school shortstop named Marcelo Mayer. Sounds like he’s a good hitter who may or may not stick at the position?
 

Rich Garces Belly

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Hill has shoulder and elbow concerns already.
Thats not at all accurate!!

He had pain from a screw that been previously inserted into his collarbone while pitching in early 2019. He returned last year and looked great in a Covid shortened season and dominated the fall at LSU that just ended last month. I haven’t read/heard anything that says there is any long term injury concern and I’m pretty tapped into this. Can you provide a source about elbow/shoulder concerns lingering? I can provide hundreds that say the opposite if you would like.
 

amRadio

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In my post upthread I quoted his strength and conditioning coach saying in 2019, post-collarbone/shoulder issue, that they hoped he would add weight to "stabilize his elbow." Paint it one way if you like, but none of that sounds great.
 

Randy Red Sox

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Do you have an opinion on a specific pitcher they should have drafted at #17? The Red Sox had roughly $5 million in draft pool money. They got Yorke for 1 million below slot value at $2.7 million and Blaze for 1.75 million. So their top 2 picks cost about 4.5 million total. Now you have $500,000 left to play with.
Now the crux of the matter is, If they drafted a pitcher at 17, that slot value was $3,600,000. There is no way they would have been able to pay for just their 2 top picks alone, much less signing a 4th and 5th rounder.
This was a money issue. They got 2 solid picks on discount, and were able to toss some cash to two left handed pitchers.

I got banned for a week for replying back to a poster who gave me a rude reply so I'm not going to disagree with anyone on here again. Yorke was a great pick in the 1st round and Chaim Bloom is doing a GREAT job for the Red Sox.
 

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I got banned for a week for replying back to a poster who gave me a rude reply so I'm not going to disagree with anyone on here again. Yorke was a great pick in the 1st round and Chaim Bloom is doing a GREAT job for the Red Sox.
Disagreeing is fine. We do it all the time. We are, however, a place known for requiring evidence of assertions, and for being required to support our opinions. I hope you will take a deep breath and start fresh. If there wasn't some hope that you'd be capable of that, it wouldn't have been a temporary break.

I've been here 20 years, and almost didn't make it a month. I learned, I hope you do, too.
 

jon abbey

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Coincidentally Eric Longenhagen did his in-depth annual ranking of Boston’s system today, he is also not a fan of their 2020 draft, FWIW.

“ Some of it is also, at least at this website, because I didn’t like their draft. I watched film (some from last summer and some from the alt site), talked to pro scouts who saw Nick Yorke after the draft, and doubled back to some crosscheckers on the West Coast who saw him before it. Their opinions were enough to move my pre-draft evaluation of him pretty considerably, but their class still feels sub-par to me. I’m not keen on positionless hitters, and the Red Sox may have drafted two of them. The shortened draft also punished Boston and other teams with thin farm systems, and made it impossible to find late-round diamonds in the rough like Boston did with Blalock and Cellucci in 2019. They did sign more undrafted free agents than other clubs, which makes sense considering the state of this system, though it’s also confirmation that the org is aware it needs more talent.”

 

Randy Red Sox

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Disagreeing is fine. We do it all the time. We are, however, a place known for requiring evidence of assertions, and for being required to support our opinions. I hope you will take a deep breath and start fresh. If there wasn't some hope that you'd be capable of that, it wouldn't have been a temporary break.

I've been here 20 years, and almost didn't make it a month. I learned, I hope you do, too.
Problem is that I have no idea what I was banned for. Could have been any post I guess.
 

jon abbey

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You were banned for making a lot of shitty posts in a very short time, and if you keep playing the martyr, you will be permabanned pretty quickly. There have been endless discussions here about Boston's lack of ability to develop homegrown pitching, I recommend a lot more reading here and a lot less posting if you want to hang around. Also, this is the 2021 draft thread, not the 2020 one.

Edit: Here is a link to the start of a discussion in July about that:

 

DJnVa

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Biggest opinion I have had for YEARS with the Red Sox is their lack of ability to develop homegrown pitching . It seems that view is not shared by many.
Actually, most people share that view. Come on man, learn from what the dopes are telling you.
 

Randy Red Sox

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You were banned for making a lot of shitty posts in a very short time, and if you keep playing the martyr, you will be permabanned pretty quickly. There have been endless discussions here about Boston's lack of ability to develop homegrown pitching, I recommend a lot more reading here and a lot less posting if you want to hang around. Also, this is the 2021 draft thread, not the 2020 one.

Edit: Here is a link to the start of a discussion in July about that:


Probably best just to read the posts then
 

ookami7m

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Probably best just to read the posts then
Yes - always better to read the content before replying to it. I'll second CR67 - I've been here for 17 years now and I've had my share of times where I didn't get it. Bring the takes all you want - but be prepared to defend them and show your work along the way.
 
Probably best just to read the posts then
This is getting derailed, but I think important enough to comment on. I've definitely found this to be true. The vast majority of the time on the internet it's not worth speaking up. That isn't to say there aren't times where it is worth contributing, but rather that when you set the bar higher for when you speak up you tend to only do so when you have something of substance to add. While this forum is hardly perfect and has plenty of low effort posts, the expectation is that contributions should have something more substantive than unsupported conjecture.

If you're new then nobody knows who you are how how much thought is behind your opinions. If you've done a bunch of analysis but just drop a one-liner conclusion, nobody will know that your conclusion is actually well thought out. It's much more likely that you're just regurgitating some talk radio hot take. Thus you're probably going to get dismissed, particularly if you make a lot of low effort posts over a short time frame. If you show your work and earn some respect then you'll get more leeway to be brief.

If you can't be arsed to back yourself up with evidence and/or argumentation then, yeah, it's probably best to keep away from that post button.