The Super Bowl Thread

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In terms of neutral fan reaction to the Pats, Michael Smith of ESPN had an interesting viewpoint: He said that many fans who would normally be very anti Patriot are actually rooting for the Pats in the Super Bowl just to see the reaction of Goddell as he hands the trophy to Brady. Not sure how accurate this is considering the hatred against the Pats in the past but we shall see.
 

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My two favorite parts are Butler crying on the sideline, overwhelmed with his own accomplishment and just bawling. I also love the post game conversations between the guys; just the love that they have for one another, very few things in life can make men so emotional.
And Brady's post-game statement (or maybe it was the next day) to the effect of "Malcolm does that to me in practice all the time, I'm glad he did it to someone else."
 

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For each and every SB, regardless if the Pats are playing, I hate at least 1 of the 2 teams playing, Active hate, disdain. Last year it was the Broncos and the corpse of Manning. Before that it was the Seahawks. This year, I just can't manufacture any hate for the Falcons. I mean, I couldn't stand them back in their "Dirty Bird" days, but that is too long ago to really care.
I am going to need someone to go ahead and help me with that.
Yeah, tough to gin up hate so far.

As someone else said, perhaps we'll get some help with sanctimonious Falcons reporters and fans talking about the cheating Pats, but the team itself is fun.

That said, they beat NE and they're on the fucking list.
 

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I am sure I will have some distaste for them should the unfortunate happen. It won't be hatred, as they have sort of quietly had an impressive season. I say quietly because I haven't heard them chirping about anything. Only the media.

I have another reason to not hate them...my daughter. Her mother moved them to Georgia when my daughter was quite young, so she roots for the Falcons. But she also roots for the Pats. So even she is conflicted.
 

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Yep, you could see as it happened that he was utterly distraught over the freak catch moments prior. That he could reverse that totally leveled him. It's an amazingly raw and real moment.
Funny, I never thought to make the connection to the Kearse catch. I think you're right, the extreme shift from down to up was immense. We've all seen the Win-Probablility charts for that play, but if there were an emotional temperature chart for an individual, Malcolm's surely would have shown an extreme variance over those handful of plays.
 

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Yeah, tough to gin up hate so far.

As someone else said, perhaps we'll get some help with sanctimonious Falcons reporters and fans talking about the cheating Pats, but the team itself is fun.

That said, they beat NE and they're on the fucking list.
I can't remember exactly, but I imagine this lead-up will be a bit like Super Bowl XXXVIII. There wasn't a lot of reason to hate Carolina, as I recall. They were still a relatively young franchise, not a lot of hatable personalities, no rivalry history, etc.

The Rams were easily hateable -- "Greatest Show on Turf," all the pre-game talk about dynasty, Martz was a smug bastard, etc.
The Eagles, being from Philly, had a history of being hateable -- booing Santa, etc.
The Giants were a NY team, so nothing more needed to be said, even in 2007, and by 2011, we had 2007.
The Seahawks were a bit like the Rams -- "Legion of Boom," defending Champs, and many around here had a particularly virulent hatred for Pete Carroll.
 

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Seems like Rowe strictly plays zone in some version of Cover 3 or Tampa 2 sticking to the WR on his sideline vertically. Perhaps he doesn't have change of direction skills for man, he was a FS for 3yrs in college.

Don't think he has played much at all in the slot so might be tough for him to matchup with Jones who will be shifted around quite a bit. Probably best to just play your sides and glue a S over the top on Jones. ATL secondary WR are not that scary with neither Gabriel nor Sanu going over 100yds this season.
Rowe actually had great agility drills - he was fifth among DBs in the short shuttle and second in the three-cone. The Patriots have all of the top three 3-cone DBs that year (Coleman, Rowe, Richards).

Yeah, tough to gin up hate so far.

As someone else said, perhaps we'll get some help with sanctimonious Falcons reporters and fans talking about the cheating Pats, but the team itself is fun.

That said, they beat NE and they're on the fucking list.
It feels like there is less at stake for this Super Bowl, too. In 2007 there was the specter of 19-0, in 2011 there was revenge, and in 2014 there was a feeling of "oh shoot, we might never get another one." Obviously if they blow a 20-point lead or something that's going to be a gut punch, but I don't think I'll be walking around shell-shocked on Monday if they lose this one like I was after both Giants games.
 

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Supporting a racist misogynist emboldens a racist misogynist.
But this doesn't mean Brady Belichick Kraft are. I assure you that there are more than 3 people in the entire NFL that support Trump. I would also wager that some of them aren't white. All that being said the difference is that Trump has been around the team for years and is personal friends with those 3. I'm sure they don't agree with everything he says and does. I have friends that I don't agree with everything they do. Hell one or two might be sexist pigs. That doesn't make me one and I'm sure lots of people here are in the same boat.
 

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Taking a look at the Falcons defense, there are a bunch of places that the Pats can attack that line up nicely with NE strengths, namely:

  • Atlanta is tissue soft against the run - Awful DVOA (29th) in rush defense. The one team that had the most success against them (Philly) lined up in heavy formations and pounded away with their big backs against a worse-than-average rotation of defensive tackles. Most teams get so far behind against Atlanta, they abandon the run early which is why Atlanta faced the 5th fewest rushing attempts despite giving up a whopping 4.5 ypc this season. Even the bad teams that the Falcons faced down the stretch (Rams, 49ers) had early success running the ball.
  • The soft spot of the Defensive Line is the right side of the offense: The Falcons were dead last in adjusted line yards running behind the right tackle, and 24th around the right end. Marcus Cannon and Marty Bennett/Matt Lengel against any combination of Falcons defenders is a massive mismatch in the running game. Opposing blockers frequently get to the second level against this fast, yet undersized defensive front: Falcons rank 26th in "second level" yards allowed to RBs.
  • The Falcons also struggle mightily to cover RBs in the passing game: 26th in the league in DVOA against running backs in the passing game, which is an obvious strength of the Pats.
 

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Yeah, tough to gin up hate so far.

As someone else said, perhaps we'll get some help with sanctimonious Falcons reporters and fans talking about the cheating Pats, but the team itself is fun.

That said, they beat NE and they're on the fucking list.
I'm hoping some Falcon player will spout off in the next couple weeks. Even if it's a simple "The Pats haven't played an explosive offense like ours" type of line (which in reality is true, but can still serve a purpose for us).
 

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But this doesn't mean Brady Belichick Kraft are. I assure you that there are more than 3 people in the entire NFL that support Trump. I would also wager that some of them aren't white. All that being said the difference is that Trump has been around the team for years and is personal friends with those 3. I'm sure they don't agree with everything he says and does. I have friends that I don't agree with everything they do. Hell one or two might be sexist pigs. That doesn't make me one and I'm sure lots of people here are in the same boat.
Also, the premise -- that their support emboldens Trump -- is ludicrous. Does anyone think that Trump's thoughts or actions would be altered by even .00000001% if BB, Kraft and Brady were not supporters?
 

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Supporting a racist misogynist emboldens a racist misogynist.
Yes, and every waking moment that you're not working to stop that racist misogynist, you're passively letting him perform his works on this planet. It's like Roko's Basilisk. For shame!

Look, nothing is so important that it deserves to be 100% of our attention, 100% of the time. The people who disagree are called fanatics or zealots, and lots of them end up spending their days in a 6x9. Sports is one of our many escapes from other things that annoy us - which may include politics. The two have almost nothing to do with each other. Let's not get all sanctimonious.
 

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Yes, and every waking moment that you're not working to stop that racist misogynist, you're passively letting him perform his works on this planet. It's like Roko's Basilisk. For shame!

Look, nothing is so important that it deserves to be 100% of our attention, 100% of the time. The people who disagree are called fanatics or zealots, and lots of them end up spending their days in a 6x9. Sports is one of our many escapes from other things that annoy us - which may include politics. The two have almost nothing to do with each other. Let's not get all sanctimonious.
But I want to virtue signal!
 

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Given that Julio somehow seemed fine after landing directly on his neck, this looks like the most notable injury of the weekend. No direct plug and play if the center misses snaps. I believe I heard that the Falcons have had perfect continuity on the OL this season.

edit: Would love to get Dr. $10's opinion on the injury if there's a clip available.
 

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In addition to his size, J Jones of course ran a 4.39 40 with a 38.5 vertical. Combine results aren't everything, but:
Rowe 4.45 and 39.0 at 6-1
Ryan 4.54 and 32.5 at 5-11
Sanu 4.67 and 36.0 at 6-2
Maybe Rowe is a better physical match with Jones.
Didn't know Rowe boasted those physical attributes. The problem is that most of that hasn't really translated into great production. I thought he was decidedly shaky at times against Pitt. He would definitely have safety help if he was matched up with Jones, and I'm starting to suspect a semi-permanent double team is what this gameplan has to call for. Things get more complex than this obviously, but doubling Jones with Rowe/Ryan and McCourty/Harmon, allowing Butler to track Sanu (who isn't quite the same burner as Jones), and then matching up elsewhere seems like a reasonable place to start. It does seem like the type of game (again) where you have to make Atlanta execute 8-10 plays to beat you.
 

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In their 5 losses, JJ went for 4/66/1, 7/139/1, 9/174/0, 10/135/0, 7/113/0.

In those same games, team rushed for 52 yards, 52, 130, 48, 128.

What does this mean? I don't know, JJ will get his, shut down the other receivers and running game? Counter to the argument of needing to shut down JJ. Tho he did go for 12/300/1 in a 48 pt game against Carolina.
 

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Didn't know Rowe boasted those physical attributes. The problem is that most of that hasn't really translated into great production. I thought he was decidedly shaky at times against Pitt. He would definitely have safety help if he was matched up with Jones, and I'm starting to suspect a semi-permanent double team is what this gameplan has to call for. Things get more complex than this obviously, but doubling Jones with Rowe/Ryan and McCourty/Harmon, allowing Butler to track Sanu (who isn't quite the same burner as Jones), and then matching up elsewhere seems like a reasonable place to start. It does seem like the type of game (again) where you have to make Atlanta execute 8-10 plays to beat you.
What I thought was really impressive about the double-teaming the Pats did against Brown last game was how Butler used the safety help to give himself leverage to the opposite side. So in essence, he could always take away one side for Brown to run and thus forced him back toward the safety help. The graphic that CBS ran at one point late in the game showing the two Pats DB linked together in two red circles I found to be incredibly informative for how the two DBs worked in tandem.
 

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I hate hate hate Trump and couldn't give one fuck less who athletes support. If I had a networth in access of tens of millions like BB or hundreds of millions like TB or billions like Kraft I'd be a Trump guy too.
 

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I hate hate hate Trump and couldn't give one fuck less who athletes support. If I had a networth in access of tens of millions like BB or hundreds of millions like TB or billions like Kraft I'd be a Trump guy too.
Because although rich beyond averice you need to make more money at the expense of those less well off? Or because the need for more money outweighs your respect for women, disabled, LGBT?
 

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Because although rich beyond averice you need to make more money at the expense of those less well off? Or because the need for more money outweighs your respect for women, disabled, LGBT?

Sigh. Leave this out of the Super Bowl thread. Please.
 

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Because although rich beyond averice you need to make more money at the expense of those less well off? Or because the need for more money outweighs your respect for women, disabled, LGBT?
Please take it to V&N there are enough Trump threads throughout SOSH land, we don't need to litter the SB thread.
 

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The great thing about being a Patriot's fan is that, unlike any other NFL team in recent history - we have the most experience in playoff preparation. We no longer dwell on distractions like:

- Who We Hate
- Politics
- Sports "Journalists"
- Bulletin Board Material
- Unnecessary Over-Stressing
- Other Team's History
- Revenge

As Patriot's fans, we're in the unusual position of having a mature fan base that simply "Does Its Job". In 2017 we should leave all the high school-worthy excitement to the good fans of Atlanta, who merit their excitement, false enemies and pom poms. For us? Another day at the office.
 
In terms of neutral fan reaction to the Pats, Michael Smith of ESPN had an interesting viewpoint: He said that many fans who would normally be very anti Patriot are actually rooting for the Pats in the Super Bowl just to see the reaction of Goddell as he hands the trophy to Brady. Not sure how accurate this is considering the hatred against the Pats in the past but we shall see.
As a Falcons fan, this would certainly be a considerable silver lining should the Patriots win.
 

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It's funny that Julio Jones and Hogan had identical stats in their respective title games (9 of 12, 2 TDs, 180 yds) yet nationally nobody is wondering "how can the Falcons stop Hogan?" It's an interesting question, because I don't see them having the resources to stop both Hogan and Edelman. One or both are gonna have gaudy stats by the end of the game.
 

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Have to figure we'll cover Jones with a similar plan that we had against the Bengals with Green, Boyd, LaFell, Bernard. Held AJ in check for the most part. He got some catches but nothing big and no TD's. I don't have time to scroll back and go through the threads regarding that game, so I'm not sure who had primary on Green. May have been Malcolm.
 

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Also wonder if the pats are going to use a Lewis-White backfield combo a bunch---it's a tough matchup that they have available and have shown but only a little bit. Given Atlanta's challenges with backs and the Pats desire to bring in a few new wrinkles would not be at all surprised if this is a set they show.
 

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Also wonder if the pats are going to use a Lewis-White backfield combo a bunch---it's a tough matchup that they have available and have shown but only a little bit. Given Atlanta's challenges with backs and the Pats desire to bring in a few new wrinkles would not be at all surprised if this is a set they show.
This crossed my mind (probably a lot of our minds) yesterday when hearing about the dual-threa backs of the Falcons. They're certainly impressive, but Lewis and White pose similar problems
 

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I don't see the game being this close. I could see Blount rolling for 175 yards against this team while Brady picks them apart when they start stacking the box. Their offense will put up points too, but not enough. I'm seeing something like 38-24.
 

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Thought this look at what the Falcons front 4 did against the Seahawks was interesting:

http://www.fieldgulls.com/2017/1/17/14292066/atlanta-falcons-stunts-film-video-breakdown-seattle-seahawks-offensive-line-tom-cable

I will note that Wilson seems to evacuate collapsing pockets at the first sign of trouble, rather than standing for an extra beat and trying to make a throw with pressure in his face. Also, the Seahawks line is not very good.
The two guys I saw getting beat/making mistakes on nearly every play were backups: Fant at LT and Odhiambo at RG. I'd say that Solder and Mason are a lot better than those two jamokes.
 

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The thrill of the Patriots being in another SB and the chance of making RG eat it is more than enough to sustain me for the next two weeks. I don't need to hate the Falcons, nor to I need to manufcature a reason to hate the Falcons, to increase my interest in the game.
 
I don't see the game being this close. I could see Blount rolling for 175 yards against this team while Brady picks them apart when they start stacking the box. Their offense will put up points too, but not enough. I'm seeing something like 38-24.
I could easily see the Patriots scoring 38 points. I'm really struggling to envision the Falcons scoring only 24 points.
 

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Have to figure we'll cover Jones with a similar plan that we had against the Bengals with Green, Boyd, LaFell, Bernard. Held AJ in check for the most part. He got some catches but nothing big and no TD's. I don't have time to scroll back and go through the threads regarding that game, so I'm not sure who had primary on Green. May have been Malcolm.
I went back thru that thread and box score and here are some things for you:
  • Jamie Collins was still on the Pats, but was inactive
  • Gronk played that game and went 7/162/1, sigh
  • AJ went 6/88/0
  • Hogan led NE WRs with 1 catch for 39 yards
  • White went off for 8/47/2 receiving and added 7 rushes for 19 yards
  • Pats rushed 23 times and passed 35
  • Bengals rushed 32 times for 120 yards, passed 31 for 237 (avg. 7.6)
  • Pats had a glorious goal line stand in this game, similar to the one last week in Pitt (and another we all remember fondly)
  • BONUS! - Reiss: As Tom Brady took the field on offense, chants of "Brady! Brady! Brady!" broke out. Brady raised his arms, asking the crowd to quiet, and it went silent.
 

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It's funny that Julio Jones and Hogan had identical stats in their respective title games (9 of 12, 2 TDs, 180 yds) yet nationally nobody is wondering "how can the Falcons stop Hogan?" It's an interesting question, because I don't see them having the resources to stop both Hogan and Edelman. One or both are gonna have gaudy stats by the end of the game.
I get your point, but Jones has done that week in and week out for his whole career. Sunday was Hogan's second game all season with more than 4 catches. His YPC is great, but he just doesn't have anywhere near the track record of Jones do have those types of articles written.
 

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No real reason to hate on the Falcons or their fans for me.

Unlike the smug Seahawks followers and their "Twelth" bullshit. I feel compelled to watch the end of SB 49 every single time it airs (like last night, for instance) just to watch Pete Carroll, Richard Sherman and their fans suffer and for Russell Wilson to ask "What happened?"
 

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I'm hoping some Falcon player will spout off in the next couple weeks. Even if it's a simple "The Pats haven't played an explosive offense like ours" type of line (which in reality is true, but can still serve a purpose for us).
Not a player, but this is a start: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/why-atlanta-deserves-this-super-bowl-shot-and-why-boston-fans-better-be-nervous-171912473.html

Which brings us to the Falcons’ opponents: the New England Patriots and the city of Boston. The yapping has already begun from up Fenway way about how the Falcons aren’t a worthy opponent for the exalted Patriots. It’s straight-up trolling, sure, but every once in awhile you need to wade into the muck and separate the alternative facts from the gospel truth.

Atlanta, the TV show, is better than every Wahlberg’s career output combined. Now, we could say “I’m drunk. I’m stupid. I’m a Pats fan” is a triple redundancy, but let’s just stick with objective reality. Chick Fil-A and Waffle House are better than Dunkin Donuts. OutKast is better than Aerosmith. Pork barbecue is better than clam chowder. Sweetwater is better than Sam Adams.

Sure, Boston has armloads of championship trophies. We respect that haul. Of course, we’d respect it a lot more if Boston mouthpieces didn’t bleat about said championships at every opportunity. (For the record, Boston, we think Brady got shafted in deflategate, and we were pulling for the Red Sox back in ’04, but y’all are impossible to love for very long.)

So, to wrap: we see you, Boston. We know what you’re hiding behind all that bluster and attitude. You’ll never be as lovely as Atlanta in the springtime. You’ll never be as effortlessly cool as Austin, as star-laden as South Beach, as tough as Philly. No matter how many rings you win, Boston, you’ll never be New York.

We’ve got a hell of a Super Bowl ahead, and if Boston fans aren’t nervous, they ought to be. Tom Brady, for one, isn’t brushing off Atlanta; just hours after beating Pittsburgh, he was up late Sunday night studying the Falcons roster. He knows the magnitude of the challenge he’s about to face, and in two Sundays, Boston will too. Atlanta’s been waiting 50 years for this moment.

See y’all in Houston.
 

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The principal source of Pats-fan agita prior to the Carolina SB was Warren Sapp (representing ESPN, I believe) talking shit about the Patriots O Line, mainly Russ Hochstein, and openly rooting for the Car pass rush to blow them up because they were a bunch of nobodies.
 

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I dont think the Falcons want to stunt despite the success they had against Sea.

1. As mentioned the Pats are more experienced then the Sea line, so you have to assume they will handle them better.
2. When stunts work....they work well. When they dont then there is no pass rush. You cant generate power stunting, its all deception. On the plays they stunt and dont get to Brady he will have a long time to find H,A or E.
3. The Pats will judiciously use draws that will exploit the huge holes a stunt can create.
 

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Been fooling around some on whatifsports.com

https://www.whatifsports.com/nfl/default.asp#top

My last sim had the Pats winning on a 57 yarder at the gun after the Falcons missed 45 yarder with 30 seconds left.

This one was fun (this is the 4th quarter only--ATL led 28-19 after 3):
NEW 12:47 TD Dion Lewis 21 yd. run (Gostkowski kick) 28-26
NEW 7:23 TD Dion Lewis 6 yd. pass from Brady (Gostkowski kick) 28-33
ATL 6:21 TD Devonta Freeman 60 yd. pass from Ryan (2-PT conversion failed) 34-33
NEW 3:03 FG Stephen Gostkowski 57 yds. 34-36
NEW 1:29 TD James White 1 yd. run (Gostkowski kick) 34-43
ATL 0:00 TD Julio Jones 16 yd. pass from Ryan (Bryant kick) 41-43
 

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Funny, I just played the Super Bowl at Arrowhead, in 15 degree weather. NE wins 35-17, Brady throws 4TD's and wins the MVP. Ghost, of course misses a 37 yard FG. But it didn't matter.
 

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Dion Lewis is a fuckin' monster at whatifsports. Hopefully that portends good things. Just had 160 receiving yards and 85 rushing.