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Boston is 21st in MLB in runs scored, 17th in OBP, and 22nd in OPS.  
 
Boston is 27th in MLB in era, 25th in opp OBP, and 25th in opp OPS.  
 
They are -37 in run differential, and their record is actually 2 games above their pythag.
 
Long and much more complicated story short:  They are not "unlucky" as many here have said during these first couple of months.  They've simply been very bad.
 
I do not believe, especially with respect to the offense, that it can continue this way.  There is simply too much talent to be this bad for a whole season.  Unless the following is true:
 
- Ortiz is finally cooked,
- Swihart is over his head, at least for this year (I don't suspect he will always be over his head at the ML level),
- Castillo isn't all that,
- Betts isn't going to be the star we think he will be,
- Pedroia is on the decline,
- Napoli is on the decline,
- Victornino is toast,
- Sandoval will forever be terrible against lefties, and
- Hanley's injuries are going to be a season-long issue.
 
I mean, each of these is totally possible.  The odds of them ALL being true and holding true all season long?  I dunno.  But it seems like this is what we've got so far.  Like with the pitching, how can it be that, really, almost none of the hitters is having a big season?  How can it be that they are basically all underperforming?
 

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ivanvamp said:
Boston is 21st in MLB in runs scored, 17th in OBP, and 22nd in OPS.  
 
Boston is 27th in MLB in era, 25th in opp OBP, and 25th in opp OPS.  
 
They are -37 in run differential, and their record is actually 2 games above their pythag.
 
Long and much more complicated story short:  They are not "unlucky" as many here have said during these first couple of months.  They've simply been very bad.
 
I do not believe, especially with respect to the offense, that it can continue this way.  There is simply too much talent to be this bad for a whole season.  Unless the following is true:
 
- Ortiz is finally cooked,
- Swihart is over his head, at least for this year (I don't suspect he will always be over his head at the ML level),
- Castillo isn't all that,
- Betts isn't going to be the star we think he will be,
- Pedroia is on the decline,
- Napoli is on the decline,
- Victornino is toast,
- Sandoval will forever be terrible against lefties, and
- Hanley's injuries are going to be a season-long issue.
 
I mean, each of these is totally possible.  The odds of them ALL being true and holding true all season long?  I dunno.  But it seems like this is what we've got so far.  Like with the pitching, how can it be that, really, almost none of the hitters is having a big season?  How can it be that they are basically all underperforming?
 
To address your above points:
 
a.) Ortiz has a 0.919 OPS against righties, so I don't think he's "finally cooked".  
b.) I would lump Ortiz in with Pedroia and Napoli in that all of them are unlikely to repeat their 2013 level of performance.  They are in various stages of age related decline; that numbers don't lie on that point.  
c.) Victorino is a big unknown, which means he's likely toast.  
d.) Hanley's injury was downplayed by the Sox staff early on; however, it does appear to be far more serious than they let on.  Still hopeful the problem will heal itself in the next few weeks.
e.) Betts is this year's Bogaerts, and is partly a victim of the unrealistic expectations we put on all Red Sox rookie batters. 
f.) Swihart was never in this year's plans to begin with; he needs time at AAA.
g.) Way too early to write off Castillo.  His AAA success is still more meaningful than the handful of games he's played at the MLB level.
h.) Sandoval:  can only get better against lefties, so there's that. 
 

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To address your above points:
 
a.) Ortiz has a 0.919 OPS against righties, so I don't think he's "finally cooked".  
b.) I would lump Ortiz in with Pedroia and Napoli in that all of them are unlikely to repeat their 2013 level of performance.  They are in various stages of age related decline; that numbers don't lie on that point.  
c.) Victorino is a big unknown, which means he's likely toast.  
d.) Hanley's injury was downplayed by the Sox staff early on; however, it does appear to be far more serious than they let on.  Still hopeful the problem will heal itself in the next few weeks.
 
Watching the game on Fox on Saturday, they were saying that no one thought Hanley was still hurt, and that he was hitting home run after home run in batting practice.
I'd love for it to be the case, but I think it's more likely the time off probably got him off of his timing.
 
Ortiz had a good approach last night going to left field.  He needs to do that more.  While his batted ball velocity is still fine, the majority of them have been on the ground to the right side.  He is also missing fastballs so the bat speed may be slowing.  Hopefully the drop in the order takes the pressure off of him.
 
Pedey is the Pedey of 2012 and 2013.  He isn't the wC+125 or more anymore, and has a lost a step on the bases but he's still a 4 win guy.
 
Napoli is making up for lost time, but I hope the hot streak in combination with them still playing under .500 doesn't end any time soon.
 

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e.) Betts is this year's Bogaerts, and is partly a victim of the unrealistic expectations we put on all Red Sox rookie batters. 
 
Exactly.
 
I think this point was brought up over the winter comparing the two.
 
Betts first 213 PA (his entire 2014 in MLB) = .291/.368/.444/.812
Betts in 2015 (199 PA) = .240/.297/.388/.685
 
Bogaerts first 274 PA (2013 through 5/31/14 when he noticeably started to fall off) = .294/.383/.424/.807
Bogaerts next 370 PA (through the end of 2014) = .203/.246/.320/.566
 
Both players showed a lot of promise early on, then hit a wall.  Chances are pretty good that the wall, in part, is an adjustment made in the way pitchers/defenses approach him as each player's scouting report gains more data.  Bogaerts is showing signs of bouncing back to being a productive hitter.  Betts likely will too.  But there's clearly going to be a period as he makes counter adjustments of his own.
 

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Exactly.
 
I think this point was brought up over the winter comparing the two.
 
Betts first 213 PA (his entire 2014 in MLB) = .291/.368/.444/.812
Betts in 2015 (199 PA) = .240/.297/.388/.685
 
Bogaerts first 274 PA (2013 through 5/31/14 when he noticeably started to fall off) = .294/.383/.424/.807
Bogaerts next 370 PA (through the end of 2014) = .203/.246/.320/.566
 
Both players showed a lot of promise early on, then hit a wall.  Chances are pretty good that the wall, in part, is an adjustment made in the way pitchers/defenses approach him as each player's scouting report gains more data.  Bogaerts is showing signs of bouncing back to being a productive hitter.  Betts likely will too.  But there's clearly going to be a period as he makes counter adjustments of his own.
 
In the meantime I wouldn't keep hitting him first or second.  Not only is he sporting a sub-.300 OBP this month and not helping out the offense, but maybe hitting lower in the order will let him relax a little bit.  For now I'd go:
 
Pedroia
Sandoval
Hanley
Ortiz
Napoli
Bogaerts
Castillo
Betts
Catcher
 

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Boston is 21st in MLB in runs scored, 17th in OBP, and 22nd in OPS.  
 
Boston is 27th in MLB in era, 25th in opp OBP, and 25th in opp OPS.  
 
They are -37 in run differential, and their record is actually 2 games above their pythag.
 
Long and much more complicated story short:  They are not "unlucky" as many here have said during these first couple of months.  They've simply been very bad.
 
Eh I still thiink they're getting unlucky with batted balls and timely hitting, on both offense and defense. Their babip is the lowest in the majors on offense, and the pitching LOB% is worst in the majors. You can be beating your pythag with lucky game outcomes and definitely still be getting unlucky with in-game events like a bunch of groundballs through the infield and then a homerun like Kelly the other day.

And as you say, there is a lot going wrong for them on offense, like Panda and Papi hitting a combined .098 off lefties. And while their performance is actual just bad play and not bad luck, that doesn't mean its not "unlucky" for the team to have both of them shit the bed simultaneously, on top of Napoli's first month of absolute suckitude.

I get your point, but to say that they're beating their pythag = the players and the team aren't getting unlucky, is wrong.
 

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Eh I still thiink they're getting unlucky with batted balls and timely hitting, on both offense and defense. Their babip is the lowest in the majors on offense, and the pitching LOB% is worst in the majors. You can be beating your pythag with lucky game outcomes and definitely still be getting unlucky with in-game events like a bunch of groundballs through the infield and then a homerun like Kelly the other day.
I didn't watch the same inning you did. What I saw was poor, lazy fielding with a bunch of throwing errors coupled with bad defensive alignments on the infield and a pitcher who melted down when things didn't go his way. Throw in some mediocre pitch framing and you've got a whole host of problems systemic to a team that increasingly looks like it's been built by a front office who thinks the way to win baseball games today is the same as it was ten years ago.
 

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3 through 7 hitters went 1-19 today.  Hughes is a solid pitcher but is 14th worst in batting average against, and typically hittable and around the plate.
 
They are rapidly running out of guys to drop in the order.
 

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@ScottLauber: Hanleys explanation for why he hasnt been pulling ball: Most pitches theyve thrown me inside are balls. Im not supposed to pull that.
 

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@PeteAbe: Ortiz, Ramirez and Sandoval were 4 for 35 in the series. 1 run, 2 RBIs. March dreams of a high-octane offense have faded in May for #RedSox
 

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@redsoxstats is a great follow but man, this tweet depressed and shocked me.

Red Sox Stats @redsoxstats · May 27


The 3 worst Red Sox team OBP seasons from 1960-2015: 2015, 2012, 2014. In 2013 they won the World Series. The Cherington Era.

 
This is starting to turn into the Chiarelli vs Claude debate.
Is it the team that has been assembled, or the execution led by management below Ben (including scouting, farm director and coaching)?
Who gets more of the blame and what sorts of changes could be made if they finish last again?
Even if they don't finish last, what happens if they fall short of the playoffs?
This isn't a rebuilding team. There are too many fixtures on the team performing worse than the developing youngsters.
 

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Boston is 21st in MLB in runs scored, 17th in OBP, and 22nd in OPS.  
 
Boston is 27th in MLB in era, 25th in opp OBP, and 25th in opp OPS.  
 
They are -37 in run differential, and their record is actually 2 games above their pythag.
 
Long and much more complicated story short:  They are not "unlucky" as many here have said during these first couple of months.  They've simply been very bad.
 
 
I was talking about this post with a buddy while we were at the Jays game yesterday. His response was something to the effect of "I don't think people outside Boston realize how lucky everyone thinks 2013 was. That team isn't very good."
 
That's probably  a little harsh, but it sure seems like 2013 was the outlier, and that 2014 was a more realistic baseline. Here's hoping that they young 'uns are as good as I like to believe they will be!
 

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In 2013 pretty much everything broke right.  People were healthy.  The offense performed very well across the board.  The pitching was excellent.  Koji was superhuman.  It was silly to expect a repeat of that.
 
But gads….in no way did I think that this year's team would be this bad.  Very few players are even playing up to their career norms, and nobody is having, even by his own standard, a "great" year.  It's almost impossible for an entire team to be underperforming like this.  It's not like the Red Sox have a roster full of AAAA filler.  They have all-star caliber players littered throughout the roster.
 

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mwonow said:
 
I was talking about this post with a buddy while we were at the Jays game yesterday. His response was something to the effect of "I don't think people outside Boston realize how lucky everyone thinks 2013 was. That team isn't very good."
 
That's probably  a little harsh, but it sure seems like 2013 was the outlier, and that 2014 was a more realistic baseline. Here's hoping that they young 'uns are as good as I like to believe they will be!
 
I'd be curious to hear how exactly they were so lucky.  Every WS team has some good luck during the course of the season but to say that a team won the WS while being very lucky and not very good sounds a little ridiculous.  That was a good team that played very well.  This year it's a good team that's playing like shit.
 

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ivanvamp said:
In 2013 pretty much everything broke right.  People were healthy.  The offense performed very well across the board.  The pitching was excellent.  Koji was superhuman.  It was silly to expect a repeat of that.
 
But gads….in no way did I think that this year's team would be this bad.  Very few players are even playing up to their career norms, and nobody is having, even by his own standard, a "great" year.  It's almost impossible for an entire team to be underperforming like this.  It's not like the Red Sox have a roster full of AAAA filler.  They have all-star caliber players littered throughout the roster.
Isn't that pretty much what happened last year too?
 

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Isn't that pretty much what happened last year too?
I think the 2014 and 2015 teams are vastly different, the results are similar. The Sox replaced the dreadful outfield of Gomes, Nava and Bradley (and assorted pieces) with Hanley, Mookie, and Victorino/Castillo. Plus they jettisoned the suck that was WMB. I am at a loss why this team cannot hit. 
 

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ivanvamp said:
In 2013 pretty much everything broke right.  People were healthy.  The offense performed very well across the board.  The pitching was excellent.  Koji was superhuman.  It was silly to expect a repeat of that.
 
But gads….in no way did I think that this year's team would be this bad.  Very few players are even playing up to their career norms, and nobody is having, even by his own standard, a "great" year.  It's almost impossible for an entire team to be underperforming like this.  It's not like the Red Sox have a roster full of AAAA filler.  They have all-star caliber players littered throughout the roster.
I would disagree with this line pretty strongly. Hanley and Sandoval are capable of all star performance and due to the injury in the case of Hanley that has diminished. Sandoval has been about what I expected at 3b. Outside of those two the Sox have Mookie, X, and Swihart at SS, CF, and C not delivering all star peformances because they are so young. 
 
The most fundamental problem with the offense, IMHO, is RF and 1b have been black holes , aside from Nap's one week of resurgence. Pedroia's numbers are still decent, but he and Ortiz have been weaklings with RISP. 
 
I don't know if you can blame JF and BC for Pedroia and Ortiz continuing to decline and Hanley playing very diminished. The Red Sox have X Betts and Swihart all in the bigs at a very young age. As I think 2014 and now 2015 have shown definitively development isn't linear and in Boston the curve seems to be even steeper. 
 
The offensive question may ultimately come down to does BC trade one of those "untouchable" three for a veteran all star caliber lineup presence.
 
The two most intriguing for me would be Lucroy or Carlos Gomez from Milwaukee. In both instances the player you would be getting represent in many ways the optimistic projection for what one thinks Betts or Swihart will develop into. On the other hand, this would be following the path they may regret now in trading Rizzo for A-Gone. Though I would contend that the Rizzo for A-Gone deal wouldn't hurt as much if they still had A-Gone and his bat at first in an alternate reality where the CC contract was never signed and therefore necessitated dumping. 
 

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Why is Pedroia continually lumped in with Ortiz, Hanley, Napoli, et al.?  Here's how some of his numbers compare with his career averages:
 
AVG: 9 points lower
OBP: 4 points lower
SLG: 4 points higher
wOBA: 1 point lower
 
He's not having a great year but he's not even on the list of issues with this team right now.
 

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Philip Jeff Frye said:
Isn't that pretty much what happened last year too?
 
Kind of, but not exactly.  They started three very young players (Bogaerts, JBJ, and Middlebrooks).  They had a lot of injuries.  On the pitching front, Lester and Lackey were both very good.  
 
A lineup with Napoli, Pedroia, Hanley, Sandoval, and Ortiz should be pretty solid.  
 

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glennhoffmania said:
Why is Pedroia continually lumped in with Ortiz, Hanley, Napoli, et al.?  Here's how some of his numbers compare with his career averages:
 
AVG: 9 points lower
OBP: 4 points lower
SLG: 4 points higher
wOBA: 1 point lower
 
He's not having a great year but he's not even on the list of issues with this team right now.
 
I don't think people are really saying Pedroia is underperforming.  He's pretty much right at his career averages.  It's just that nobody - Pedroia included - is having a *great* year, by his own standards.  Usually you expect some guys to be below their career norms, other guys to be right around them, and hopefully other guys above them.  The Sox really don't have anyone above their career norms, unless you want to count Holt.
 

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ivanvamp said:
Very few players are even playing up to their career norms, and nobody is having, even by his own standard, a "great" year.  It's almost impossible for an entire team to be underperforming like this.  It's not like the Red Sox have a roster full of AAAA filler.  They have all-star caliber players littered throughout the roster.
To be kinda harsh, it is quite a stretch to say they have all-star caliber players across the roster. Papi, Ue and Pedey are the two that impartial fans would probably give us, and the former couple are 40 and the latter had his worst season last year which many interpreted as true decline. Hanley could probably make the cut if he were still at SS or third base, but no, not in the outfield. Maybe its just my interpretation of All-Star caliber, but no one else has an very strong claim to being at that level. Pablo has had two All star appearances, Napoli one, Vic two, none more recent that 2012. The rotation has three AS appearances among them (not counting Masterson). You can say Betts, Swihart, Xander have all-star caliber upside, but its disingenuous to claim they've reached it.
 

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Hanley's ineffectiveness as a baseball player isn't getting as much play as RF and 1B either.  He has been a bigger a bust than Porcello thus far.
 

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The Yankees have scored the 2nd most runs in the league, partly due to their lame excuse for right field. Comparing current stats between the 2 clubs (avg / ops for brevity) by lineup position reveals substantial deficits in Betts, Ortiz & Napoli, along with relative power shortages in Ramirez & Bogaerts.
 
But is this enough to explain a 34-run difference? Yankees have hit 13 more homeruns.
 
Ellsbury .324 / .783
Pedroia .290 / .809
 
Gardner .278 / .789
Betts .241 / .681
 
Rodriguez .276 / .940
Ortiz .216 / .679
 
Teixeira .243 / .941
Ramirez .252 / .757
 
McCann .239 / .738
Sandoval .265 / .729
 
Beltran .245 / .677
Napoli .208 / .715
 
Headley .253 / .727
Bogaerts .268 / .691
 
Drew .167 / .557
Holt .305 / .825
 
Gregorius .211 / .560
Swihart .200 / .476 
 
I don't believe in "timely" hitting, but I do believe in a lineup that wears pitchers down. I still can't explain to myself the 2015 Red Sox performance through May. Why is Beltran > Ortiz? Why is Teixeira > Ramirez? Most importantly, why have the Yankees been substantially outscoring the Red Sox offense when things should be closer on paper. It must be the slugging.
 

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Why is Pedroia continually lumped in with Ortiz, Hanley, Napoli, et al.?  Here's how some of his numbers compare with his career averages:
 
AVG: 9 points lower
OBP: 4 points lower
SLG: 4 points higher
wOBA: 1 point lower
 
He's not having a great year but he's not even on the list of issues with this team right now.
Thank you. Sure, he hasn't been hitting with RISP (no one has) but the way he's been playing has made him a bright spot.
 

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At this point in his career, this is a good season for Pedroia.  No longer the laser show, but we've got 6 or 7 other spots in the order with bigger issues.
 

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At this point in his career, this is a good season for Pedroia.  No longer the laser show, but we've got 6 or 7 other spots in the order with bigger issues.
 
Plus it has to be put into context as offense has declined.  His OPS+ is 124.  In 2008 it was 123, but his OPS was 60 points higher.  This would be a good season for any point in his career.
 

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Sox rank sixth in % of FB's seen but 24th in performance against them, per Fangraphs. Ortiz and Ramirez are the two biggest culprits. Pedroia, Xander and Brock! are the only regulars who seem any good at handling the FB this year.
 

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There's a contagious disease called "suck". It dramatically impacts teams because:
 
Ramirez no longer protects Ortiz, who no longer protects anyone
 
Napoli no longer protects Sandoval, who's hard to walk anyway
 
Bogaerts doesn't protect Napoli and the bottom of the lineup is a bottom of a lineup.
 
It seems to me if any of these guys got really hot (particularly Ramirez) other hitters are going to start seeing some better pitches, and the contagion works in the opposite manner. Right now there's no reason for any pitcher to be stressed going through this lineup.
 

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geoduck no quahog said:
There's a contagious disease called "suck". It dramatically impacts teams because:
 
Ramirez no longer protects Ortiz, who no longer protects anyone
 
Napoli no longer protects Sandoval, who's hard to walk anyway
 
Bogaerts doesn't protect Napoli and the bottom of the lineup is a bottom of a lineup.
 
It seems to me if any of these guys got really hot (particularly Ramirez) other hitters are going to start seeing some better pitches, and the contagion works in the opposite manner. Right now there's no reason for any pitcher to be stressed going through this lineup.
 
Isn't lineup protection basically a myth, though?
 

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Isn't lineup protection basically a myth, though?
 
Maybe the data backs that up, but it seems illogical to non-sabremetric me. If Ramirez is OPS'ing .980, no one wants to walk Ortiz ahead of him and opponents have to pitch finer. I'm assuming that means Ortiz sees better pitches, which means Betts (these days) shouldn't be walked, which means...
 
On the other hand, guys like Ortiz, Ramirez and Napoli are always good candidates for the double play, even when they're hitting well.
 

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So, Pedroia helped Napoli correct his plate approach and now he's done the same with Hanley. WTF does Chili Davis DO?
 
Dustin Pedroia helps Hanley Ramirez flip switch on power
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/red_sox_mlb/boston_red_sox/2015/05/dustin_pedroia_helps_hanley_ramirez_flip_switch_on_power
 
ARLINGTON, Texas — When Hanley Ramirez reported for work here yesterday, Dustin Pedroia already was waiting for him in the Red Sox’ clubhouse.
 
School was in session.
 
Pedroia, it seems, was watching video of Ramirez’ recent at-bats and spotted what he perceived to be a flaw in the slugging left fielder’s stride. The Sox second baseman showed Ramirez what he meant, first on the screen and later in the batting cage.
 
“He was right,” Ramirez said.
 
Was he ever? Putting Pedroia’s pointers into practice, Ramirez doubled in the fourth inning and snapped an 85 at-bat homerless drought in the sixth to help lift the Red Sox to a 5-1 victory in a sparkling major league debut for 22-year-old pitching prospect Eduardo Rodriguez.
 
“Pedroia got here at 9 o’clock in the morning today to watch my videos, and he was waiting for me and he told me what I was doing,” Ramirez said. “Sometimes there’s things that you don’t realize you’re doing it. It’s why this is a champion team, because players they care about each other. It was great, you know?”
 
Ramirez hadn’t homered since April 29 and, in fact, had only one RBI in May. And with speculation that his balky left shoulder had short-circuited his power, it was promising to see him pull the ball to left field for a home run.
 
“(It showed) that I can pull the ball when I want to,” Ramirez said. “But I’m not a pull hitter.”
 
While it felt like an eternity since Ramirez’ last home run, it was only the seventh-longest dry spell of his career. He once went 144 at-bats between homers in 2006 with the Florida Marlins.
 
First baseman Mike Napoli recently credited a video session with Pedroia for helping to extract him from a nearly two-month slump. After talking to Pedroia, Napoli went on a homer binge last week that resulted in him being named AL Player of the Week.
 
But Pedroia isn’t looking for any credit. When Ramirez returned to the dugout after circling the bases, he said the wise-cracking Pedroia was waiting only with a high-five, not an I-told-you-so rejoinder.
 
“You know him. He showed emotions, but (he was the) same guy,” Ramirez said. “He was happy for me.”
 
Ramirez was happier for Rodriguez, who tossed 72⁄3 scoreless innings, the most by a Red Sox pitcher in his big league debut since Bill Rohr went nine scoreless on April 14, 1967, against the New York Yankees.
 
“We need that,” Ramirez said. “For him to come out today, first game and do what he did today, it’s very special.”
 

 
 

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So, Pedroia helped Napoli correct his plate approach and now he's done the same with Hanley. WTF does Chili Davis DO
So the real reason Papi is out of the lineup is to give Pedroia enough time to break-down the film? Seriously though, having Pedey do it once was kinda cool. Twice is a bit concerning.
 

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Why is Pedroia continually lumped in with Ortiz, Hanley, Napoli, et al.?  Here's how some of his numbers compare with his career averages:
 
AVG: 9 points lower
OBP: 4 points lower
SLG: 4 points higher
wOBA: 1 point lower
 
He's not having a great year but he's not even on the list of issues with this team right now.
 
Excellent point, I've been wondering that too.  And put those numbers in the context of the decline in offense from the first half of his career and he's doing pretty darn well, I think.   He's the Team MVP right now, and it isn't even close.
 

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Hanley's ineffectiveness as a baseball player isn't getting as much play as RF and 1B either.  He has been a bigger a bust than Porcello thus far.
I disagree with this. Porcello has been awful but that's been overlooked because the rest of the rotation has been a pure dumpster fire. I'll say that Porcello has been more consistent in terms of sucking all year. Hanley just had an awful May that he's snapping out of.
 

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Who's feeding this information to the media?
The "media" has direct access to the clubhouse, so this could all have been simply observed, investigated, and then reported on.

Perhaps we should look at it as a nice story about the team not packing things up after a dreadful May, rather than some plot to discredit Chili or Farrell.

After all, if Chili's been swamped trying to get Swihart, Bogaerts, and Betts to adapt to how they're being pitched and close down some holes in their respective swings, doesn't that suggest the vets should be working things out for themselves rather than waiting for the next available appointment?
 

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Tyrone Biggums said:
I disagree with this. Porcello has been awful but that's been overlooked because the rest of the rotation has been a pure dumpster fire. I'll say that Porcello has been more consistent in terms of sucking all year. Hanley just had an awful May that he's snapping out of.
I posted that before the last two games, so it's good to see him snapping out of it.
 

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@alexspeier: Red Sox get shut out in their penultimate May game, have major league-worst 79 runs and 2.8 R/G this month. No other team averages <3/game.

Where the hell is the offense we were promised?
 

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Another week or two of this ineptitude and I think Farrell is toast. I know he doesn't hit , or field or pitch but the guys he is supposed to be motivating are doing none of these things. It's probably getting to the point where the front office will have to Do Something.
 

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Another week or two of this ineptitude and I think Farrell is toast. I know he doesn't hit , or field or pitch but the guys he is supposed to be motivating are doing none of these things. It's probably getting to the point where the front office will have to Do Something.
I think Chili goes first
 

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It's actually making me angry how bad this offense is at this point. They just don't make anything happen.

It seems like they can't score without a home run.

Why can't a guy with talent like Mookie rattle a guy making his first MLB start? Because Papi is making his grand return?

You don't want to give away outs, but you can't play offense passively and every AB looks like a guy swinging for the fences with every cut.
 

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I can't understand what is happening. During spring training I thought this team would have an elite offense and they've been the exact opposite. I don't think Chili survives the weekend. Farrell could very well be next.
 

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I can't understand what is happening. During spring training I thought this team would have an elite offense and they've been the exact opposite. I don't think Chili survives the weekend. Farrell could very well be next.
Exactly. Nobody thought the offense would be bad, let alone this bad. People were questioning if the offense would make up for the average pitching.
 

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Exactly. Nobody thought the offense would be bad, let alone this bad. People were questioning if the offense would make up for the average pitching.
 
As the Magic 8 Ball might say, "Don't Count on It."
 
Funny thing is, half the answers in a Magic 8 ball are positive. If only the O had the same percentage!