The 2023 Trade Deadline: Scenarios

staz

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Palka and Gudino, both non 40-man, released from WooSox. Trying not to read too much into this, but the timing sure is interesting.
 

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Palka and Gudino released from WooSox. Trying not to read too much into this, but the timing sure is interesting.
My understanding is that they need to get under 180 to roster their new draft picks, & they have several guys rehabbing in the FCL who should be ready to go back to Worcester: Christian Koss, Bradley Zimmer & Dan Altavilla.

They also released Joe Jones yesterday (28 y/o who was pitching ok in Portland).
 

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You're right, thanks. Scherzer wasn't a rental. Still a unique situation, his contract is so prohibitive that I'd still say Paxton's a more valuable asset.

If DD is at all willing to trade Mick Abel, I'd be interested to offer what I could to fill in the gap. Not sure what else from their roster or system would make sense though. They're not trading Bryson Stott. We're probably not trading for Justin Crawford.
No problem at all.

I'd think there it just depends on the team.

In a hypothetical context (not that we're trading in the division) but I think Paxton would be more valuable to teams like Baltimore, TB, Arizona, Minny, Cleveland, Miami, Cincy, and Milwaukee.

However I think Scherzer or Verlander (with the option) would be of greater value to Texas (obv), NYY, Hou, LAA, Atlanta, Philly, LAD and SF (unless any of them need to stay below the tax this year like the Sox, in which case, Paxton becomes more valuable to them - but I don't know if any of those teams are also in luxury tax jail or care about it).
 

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I am becoming more convinced in looking at the current team that a defensive upgrade at second with the addition of Story at short is by far the most affective and cheapest way to improve the team this year. I think you'll see them add at second and some cheaper arms.
Agree on Story, but I'm not sure that the issue is defense at 2B. I'm with @Bob Montgomerys Helmet Hat that if they add there, it will be for offense. Chang, Arroyo, and Reyes can all cover the position adequately, what none of them can do right now is hit at all.

Valdez is a cheap in-house way to do that (and I maintain he's not as bad at 2B as he was in a short showing in the majors), but given that he was as bad as he was and isn't guaranteed to perform that well there again, and given that his plate discipline evaporated and strikeouts skyrocketed... wouldn't be surprising to see them move for someone else there.

If they do, that really leaves only one position on the team with a below-average hitter, and that's catcher, which you can accept given that Wong is merely below-average, not dismal like Arroyo and Chang.
 

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Coming off their third straight loss on the West Coast, the Red Sox find themselves in an interesting spot this morning. Late Monday night, a person familiar with the team's ongoing trade talks said, "it's all possibilities right now." Yet time is running out for the Red Sox to improve a club that posted the best record in baseball in the month of July at 16-8.

Still, the team finds itself 2 1/2 games back of Toronto for the third wild-card spot. After the Red Sox wrap up a series in Seattle this week, Boston hosts Toronto for three crucial games this weekend. Pitching is still a priority for the Red Sox — both starters and relievers. And while chief baseball officer Chaim Bloom said last week he wouldn't rule out adding a rental at the deadline, he's more inclined to add a young, controllable arm.

The Red Sox watched one of those, right-hander Aaron Civale, head to division rival Tampa Bay on Monday in exchange for the club's top first-base prospect, Kyle Manzardo. Could the Red Sox have swung a similar deal by parting with one of their prospects ranked in the top 100? With the clock ticking, the Red Sox are running out of time to add reinforcements to a club that has shown resilience much of the season, even if the last few days have lacked results.
https://theathletic.com/live-blogs/mlb-trade-deadline-live-news-rumors-deals/EO2zVcFcB68n/?access_token=257475&redirected=1
 

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Seems to me that if we part with a proven MLB player like Verdugo, Duvall or Paxton, then it would be a three way deal. We don't want prospects not ready for prime time, but that's all a true contender will likely part with. So a bona fide
out of contention seller willing to give up a proven MLB player would need to take those prospects while we get that current contributor.
 

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This is a rental market. Don’t see any way Chaim or anyone for that matter can pry away young, controllable talent.

The sports radio talking heads in Boston and NY will be something else to listen to tonight.
 

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This is a rental market. Don’t see any way Chaim or anyone for that matter can pry away young, controllable talent.

The sports radio talking heads in Boston and NY will be something else to listen to tonight.
when is NY and BOS sports talk radio not full of angry/yelling/ hot take "artists"?
 

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This is a rental market. Don’t see any way Chaim or anyone for that matter can pry away young, controllable talent.

The sports radio talking heads in Boston and NY will be something else to listen to tonight.
That won't be a thing here. They only talk Patriots. All fucking year.
 

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That won't be a thing here. They only talk Patriots. All fucking year.
Yeah, not that it matters (as in team's shouldn't make decisions based on the media) but as far as anyone that wants to take account of the media "blowback" it really doesn't exist in Boston any more. By and large, the casual fan doesn't care if the Red Sox are good or not, so long as the ballpark experience is fun. Those of us that love the Sox are still going to post here, but we're not exactly the "typical callers" to such things.

Last year NESN's ratings for the Sox dropped around 35%, which was more than any team outside of Cincy, Oakland, SF, Colardo, Washington and Detroit. (https://www.boston.com/sports/media/2022/12/24/viewership-tough-enough-last-season-red-sox-offseason-not-uplifting-chad-finn-media/)

Again, I'm not trying to say it should necessarily matter what Felger and Mazz say, but the point that the Sox are pretty far down the list in terms of interest, at least to the Sports Talk Radio mindset and thus they won't really bother discussing the lack of moves (or subsequent lack of playoff baseball). It'll just be talking about it not being what Bill Belichek said about Mac Jones but how he said it from August until the Celtics get to the playoffs in April of 2024 as opposed to starting to really focus on that in October.
 

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That won't be a thing here. They only talk Patriots. All fucking year.
Ha! So true , occasionally I accidentally tune into some chat. I don’t recognize any the hosts on WEEI anymore but, sure as shit, all the talk is about the Pats. So, so, boring.
 

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Ha! So true , occasionally I accidentally tune into some chat. I don’t recognize any the hosts on WEEI anymore but, sure as shit, all the talk is about the Pats. So, so, boring.
I hate it so much. I’ve moved to podcasts because of it. 98.5 no better in this regard.
 

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Yeah, not that it matters (as in team's shouldn't make decisions based on the media) but as far as anyone that wants to take account of the media "blowback" it really doesn't exist in Boston any more. By and large, the casual fan doesn't care if the Red Sox are good or not, so long as the ballpark experience is fun. Those of us that love the Sox are still going to post here, but we're not exactly the "typical callers" to such things.

Last year NESN's ratings for the Sox dropped around 35%, which was more than any team outside of Cincy, Oakland, SF, Colardo, Washington and Detroit. (https://www.boston.com/sports/media/2022/12/24/viewership-tough-enough-last-season-red-sox-offseason-not-uplifting-chad-finn-media/)

Again, I'm not trying to say it should necessarily matter what Felger and Mazz say, but the point that the Sox are pretty far down the list in terms of interest, at least to the Sports Talk Radio mindset and thus they won't really bother discussing the lack of moves (or subsequent lack of playoff baseball). It'll just be talking about it not being what Bill Belichek said about Mac Jones but how he said it from August until the Celtics get to the playoffs in April of 2024 as opposed to starting to really focus on that in October.
Has it really gotten that bad? I haven't listened in maybe twenty years and it was pretty bad then, but at least it was on topic bad.

At least it's not golf talk.
 

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I think that may be common. With most cars with Bluetooth, most people have moved onto podcasts or satellite. Local radio is dying.
 

EyeBob

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I think that may be common. With most cars with Bluetooth, most people have moved onto podcasts or satellite. Local radio is dying.
I love hockey and baseball on the radio. I listen more than I watch. I have not listened to sports talk radio in 20 years either. Not really sure who it appeals to any more. 20-30 year old guys?
 

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The local radio stations could (and do) release podcasts. Sports talk radio is almost uniquely well-situated for that move because Giant Glass will likely still be interested in paying for the attention of Boston sports fans, even if they are reached via an RSS feed and TCP/IP rather than via terrestrial radio.