If you are talking moving to to 5 in this draft, Rozier plus the Sacramento pick is a more realistic offer.
That's a pretty interesting trade if you like a guy at 5 enough that you think he can develop/showcase rapidly, and be part of a future superstar trade. Basically betting on player development and that you can make your assets appreciate rather than depreciate.
Fairly decent use of resources when you consider the Sacramento pick was freely given by Philly so that they could draft a worse player and that Ainge was roundly criticized for taking Rozier. IIRC the prevailing wisdom on draft night was that people would have felt better if you simply swapped which pick was used on which guy (the other guy being RJ Hunter, lol).
Whenever you can share the same short list with OJ Majo and Mike Dunleavy Jr you know you've accomplished something special.
They add two elite primary ball-handlers next year, and other teams know that. I don't think they'll feel pressure to match if someone offers Smart 15M/year or something crazy. Point guard is also one of the easier positions to find a decent backup at the mid-level.
That's true. Depending on position, Boston should be a good destination for a solid MLE guy (we all know Ainge will chase Tyreke), and given the glut of relative glut of wings (when healthy we're talking Brown, Tatum, Morris, Hayward, and Semi) it certainly wouldn't be a shock to see the C's own pick invested in a guard whether or not one or both of Rozier/Smart are staying. Of course, given the stacked roster overall, they do have the ability to go BPA.
I think you have to jump on this before they change their minds. There is a lot of uncertainty around the quality of the Sacramento pick and the draft pool next year and there are at least 5 studs in this draft. Well...assuming Danny likes them just as much as we do
No one is giving up a top five pick for Rozier and a pick with protection, because if the Kings pick is #1 then you’ve dealt a top five pick for a bottom ten one and a complementary player.
Odds of it being the one pick are like 3%. I don’t think that would scare anyone away.
You could probably get the deal done by subbing in the Memphis pick if the Kings pick binks #1. Kicks the can down the road and probably saves hypothetical GM from a firing.
Rozier is playing himself into a starter's salary contract. Orlando at 5 and Cleveland at 8 both need a PG. It will be tempting to make a run for a championship with TR off the bench next year, but I don't see how the Cs will be able to give him an eight figure deal he will get as a RFA.
I don't think anybody here wants to trade him.
Actually I hadn’t thought of it, but that’s an interesting hypothetical, if you’re the Cavs and end up drafting 8th or 9th, would you deal the pick for Rozier? The guys in that range, while looking like solid NBA starters to come, will still probably never be able to do what Rozier is now.
It’s not mere prioritizing. Kyrie Irving is Boston’s starting PG, period. One of Smart or Rozier is going to be the third guard, but one of them, at 6’1”ish, is strictly a backup PG (to Irving). And, unfortunately for Boston, he’s going to be the one that teams feel comfortable offering $16-$18 million per year to given the shooting and scoring.
I have long been on the Kyrie/Brown/Hayward/Tatum/Horford bandwagon and think that starting five is going to be just about as good as it gets in the NBA after GS. But if Rozier is turning into ROZIER, the Celtics really might want to at least have some internal discussion about trading Kyrie. Sounds crazy, I know. But I'm sure they could get a lot more for Kyrie than they could for Rozier. And they're proving they can win without Kyrie - maybe not a championship but they can still win.
I’m a Celtics homer but even if James bolts west, Philly is gonna be really good.
I agree fully with your take on Smart over Rozier for the reasons you noted. I would add that what Smart gives you is much harder to replace on the 2019 team than what Rozier gives you. Rozier is really valuable right now but with a healthy Irving, Heyward, and Brown, those contributions marginal values decrease. OTOH, Smart’s defense, toughness and playmaking play up.
The bolded is key, IMO. The team is set up to where getting another good season out of a guy and losing him as a FA is more than defensible. I have to trust that Ainge and Stevens have a handle on the impact "playing for a contract" might have on particular players.
There's no way that Danny Ainge allows himself to lose an asset as valuable as Rozier for nothing.
I doubt Jerry West is going to trade the #13 pick for the privilege of paying Rozier lots of money in FA or even RFA if someone really wants him.
PHI is going to sign a max-ish player. Depending who they sign (**cough LBJ cough ***), the NBA could be PHI's to lose next year.
Agreed, LBJ to Phi and all bets are off. But it seems just as likely, if not more so, that LeBron and PG13 head to LA... and that leaves PHI without many attractive options outside a trade (McCollum?).
We shall see. I’m not exactly sure what his trade value is... a lottery pick in this year’s draft? I’ll pack his bags and drive him to the airport...
You have a point here, but a year of excellent 6th man play when you're a title contender is certainly not nothing. It may not be enough, but it's not nothing.
At the same time, he's not going to trade him just for the sake of avoiding "getting nothing." And it's also not nothing, since he is also a valuable asset as a player. Maybe less valuable to the Celtics as a player next season with the other parts playing, but, of course, all of that depends on what the trade return is.
My original idea was Rozier/27 for 13, which I think is pretty fair. He’s young enough to be part of the Clippers’ rebuild but certainly wouldn’t be surprised if he weren’t interested. This is a team that currently has no long-term answer at PG. It’s possible that they would prefer a guy like Sexton but he’s light years away from being as good as Rozier is now so trading for Rozier would give them a better player and allow them to go in a different direction at #12. Should be interesting to see.
I'm not on the trade Kyrie bandwagon, but I don't think trading him would necessarily be counterproductive. It would largely depend on the player coming back and if the improvement at that position is greater than the drop off from Kyrie to Rozier.
I think Rozier and Lou Williams would be an absolutely terrible fit. I don't get the Rozier to LAC rumors at all.
