Red Sox Spring training thread

jimbobim · Mar 7, 2015

To defend in my lifetime a little bit I think it's a bit hilarious that Vic's "general soreness" has not triggered the same "sky is falling , he's going to AAA and lost the CF competition" nonsense from the Bos writers that the Castillo injury caused. It's not a perfect comparison for a number of reasons, but this would seemingly be a pretty significant development undermining the "if he's healthy starting stance" from JF. ( I know that is necessary from JF but I wouldn't mind the writers acknowledging that this stance is merely manager optimistic speak given the reality of Vic's injury occurrences.)

More importantly, IF(for those who'll say I'm overreacting) he continues to be sore after playing with his usual reckless abandon I think the odds of a tough love conversation between JF and Vic greatly increase.

By tough love I mean Vic's skill set and defensive ability would fit ideally in a 4th OF role along with Nava for a team that craves depth and reliability. Nava brings the lower ceiling reliability and versatility while perhaps not demanding the same playing time demand allows Vic's D and speed to be available more frequently in crucial times or games.

Is 13 mill an insane price for a 4th OF ? Sure, but I'm just entirely unconvinced that 2013 starting Vic who I and everyone loved is ever coming back.

Plympton91 · Mar 7, 2015

So, anyway, about Clay Buchholz's start, which is way way more important than Victorino's legs. Anybody have radar gun readings? Observations about his use of the changeup and it's action?

Darnell's Son · Mar 7, 2015

Plympton91 said:
So, anyway, about Clay Buchholz's start, which is way way more important than Victorino's legs. Anybody have radar gun readings? Observations about his use of the changeup and it's action?

I read one of the write ups and it said he was throwing 91 consistently.

67WasBest · Mar 7, 2015

Plympton91 said:
So, anyway, about Clay Buchholz's start, which is way way more important than Victorino's legs. Anybody have radar gun readings? Observations about his use of the changeup and it's action?

4 pitches for strikes, good command, 91 on FB

Mike F · Mar 7, 2015

Plympton91 said:
So, anyway, about Clay Buchholz's start, which is way way more important than Victorino's legs. Anybody have radar gun readings? Observations about his use of the changeup and it's action?

The board wasn't always showing speeds. To my knowlege Buch was 91-92 with the FB.
The change had a lot of bottom and some ad side fade. It appeared to be close in speed to the curve. Again the radar readings only appeared sparingly and seemed to be mostly FBs and sliders.
The 6-4-3DP that erased Buch's only walk wasn't hit hard and X's toss to Pedey was a hair
slow but Not Captain Intangibles unloaded a throw in a blur to complete the play.

Reverend · Mar 8, 2015

ji oh said:
I tell students that using the word "obviously" in an argument is another way of saying "I have no evidence."

In a formal argument in a paper, perhaps.

In discourse closer to the conversational, in the vernacular, however--as on a message board, say--it has other usages, critical functions in fact.

The best analogy I can think of is from the old Victorian introduction where someone said, "Of course you know sir/lady whoeverthefuck...?" and then the person could say, "Of course!" even if it weren't true, but then everyone saves face.

I would say that a claim to knowing what is wrong with Victorino in the absence of information overstates the case, yes. But that's not a reason to overstate our own positions, I would hope, yes?

Lose Remerswaal · Mar 8, 2015

soxhop411 said:
found on twitter

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That's nice, but this is better

Mike F · Mar 8, 2015

There is no Rev said:
In a formal argument in a paper, perhaps.

In discourse closer to the conversational, in the vernacular, however--as on a message board, say--it has other usages, critical functions in fact.

The best analogy I can think of is from the old Victorian introduction where someone said, "Of course you know sir/lady whoeverthefuck...?" and then the person could say, "Of course!" even if it weren't true, but then everyone saves face.

I would say that a claim to knowing what is wrong with Victorino in the absence of information overstates the case, yes. But that's not a reason to overstate our own positions, I would hope, yes?

"Every intelligent reader would agree."

DennyDoyle'sBoil · Mar 8, 2015

There is no Rev said:
In a formal argument in a paper, perhaps.
In discourse closer to the conversational, in the vernacular, however--as on a message board, say--it has other usages, critical functions in fact.
The best analogy I can think of is from the old Victorian introduction where someone said, "Of course you know sir/lady whoeverthefuck...?" and then the person could say, "Of course!" even if it weren't true, but then everyone saves face.
I would say that a claim to knowing what is wrong with Victorino in the absence of information overstates the case, yes. But that's not a reason to overstate our own positions, I would hope, yes?

Of course.

Al Zarilla · Mar 8, 2015

Anybody get a feel for how Sandoval is looking at 3B yet? That, and his baserunning, are the keys, to me, of what kind of shape he's in. I mean, shape-wise, he's almost always sloppy looking, but when he's too fat, he can't get to and get down for grounders quickly. And, if he looks like he's going to topple over when rounding a base, he's much too fat. Last year he was solid at third all year. As a baserunner, he was slow, but nobody posted a picture of him running after cake. Also, he has been known to take off some weight in ST. Any sign of that yet? I thought of starting a Pablo watch thread, but didn't want to draw a lot of attention to the guy.

Reverend · Mar 8, 2015

Al Zarilla said:
Anybody get a feel for how Sandoval is looking at 3B yet? That, and his baserunning, are the keys, to me, of what kind of shape he's in. I mean, shape-wise, he's almost always sloppy looking, but when he's too fat, he can't get to and get down for grounders quickly. And, if he looks like he's going to topple over when rounding a base, he's much too fat. Last year he was solid at third all year. As a baserunner, he was slow, but nobody posted a picture of him running after cake. Also, he has been known to take off some weight in ST. Any sign of that yet? I thought of starting a Pablo watch thread, but didn't want to draw a lot of attention to the guy.

In the opener, I saw him charge a slow grounder and throw on the run looking like a guy 80 pounds lighter than he. I have no idea how he does it.

Corsi · Mar 8, 2015

LogansDad · Mar 8, 2015

Amazing how much more fun spring training is without AJP.

Corsi · Mar 8, 2015

Ferm Sheller · Mar 8, 2015

Corsi said:

Just so long as they don't catch Mike Carp.

O Captain! My Captain! · Mar 8, 2015

Corsi said:

still allowed two runs somehow

Over Guapo Grande · Mar 8, 2015

O Captain! My Captain! said:
still allowed two runs somehow

A.K.A. "The Matt Young Special"

Merkle's Boner · Mar 8, 2015

LogansDad said:
Amazing how much more fun spring training is without AJP.

I was just going to mention how much I miss Pierzynski.

Ferm Sheller · Mar 8, 2015

Andy Hawkins yawns at that.

Mugsy's Walk-Off Bunt · Mar 8, 2015

Levyritz doesn't,

ToeKneeArmAss · Mar 8, 2015

LogansDad said:
Amazing how much more fun spring training is without AJP.

QFT

Rasputin · Mar 8, 2015

Is it me, or do the Sox look a little advanced for the first few days of spring training games?

I say that, but the only thing I can point to is a double steal today.

InsideTheParker · Mar 9, 2015

The double steal, initiated by Weeks and followed by Nava, doesn't tell us much. Nor, I'm afraid, do the home runs. It seems that lots of the ST home-runs are wind-aided. At least that's what most of the commentary indicates, which means many of them would be fly-ball outs in most ballparks.

67WasBest · Mar 9, 2015

Rasputin said:
Is it me, or do the Sox look a little advanced for the first few days of spring training games?

I say that, but the only thing I can point to is a double steal today.

Likely because so many were there early. More than half the position players were there a week early, and many had been here for many weeks already.

Gives me great hope they win the spring championship :q:

caminante11 · Mar 9, 2015

67WasBest said:
Gives me great hope they win the spring championship :q:

Or at least the coveted Mayor's Cup (currently tied 1-1)

Green Monster · Mar 9, 2015

I heard that you can enter the complex in the morning to watch workouts even if you don't have tickets to the days game. Does anyone have any advise or know what is the best time to do that?

kieckeredinthehead · Mar 9, 2015

ToeKneeArmAss · Mar 10, 2015

soxhop411 said:
Home in Boston, Pablo Sandoval Says Leaving San Francisco 'Not Hard at All'

more at the link

This is disappointing behavior on Sandoval's part imo. Nothing to gain and creates bad feelings - not to mention how it might tarnish his legacy in the eyes of SF fans.

Tangled Up In Red · Mar 10, 2015

ToeKneeArmAss said:
This is disappointing behavior on Sandoval's part imo. Nothing to gain and creates bad feelings - not to mention how it might tarnish his legacy in the eyes of SF fans.

Sports radio was pretty (fairly) brutal in SF today.

pokey_reese · Mar 10, 2015

So, mountains and molehills and all of that, but after getting hurt Friday (and by hurt, I just mean "general soreness" with nothing to worry about), wasn't Victorino supposed to take Saturday and Sunday off, for precautionary reasons, and then play Monday?

He didn't play Monday. Worse than initially reported, or just being extra double cautious? What if he doesn't play Tuesday?

sittingstill · Mar 10, 2015

Green Monster said:
I heard that you can enter the complex in the morning to watch workouts even if you don't have tickets to the days game. Does anyone have any advise or know what is the best time to do that?

Anybody can drive in and park, though if it's a game day you'll pay game day parking ($10?). The problem as far as the big club goes is that it's hard to predict when and where they'll work out--and how much of the complex will be open to the public. Sometimes they restrict public access just to Fields 3-6, where the minor leaguers work. If there's a 1:00p game, workouts will usually be mid-morning to late morning, maybe 9:15a-10:45a. Last week the pitchers were using the agility field and Field 1 (in public view) and the position players were in the park itself (inaccessible until gates opened for ticketholders).

That said, if you're interested in seeing the minor leaguers work, that's guaranteed to be an option (weather permitting). Now through March 17 they'll have workouts, drills, etc.; starting March 18 they'll work out/practice in the morning and play games in the afternoon (aside from a couple of "Camp Days"). Opponents rotate among the Twins, Orioles and Rays affiliates; on any given day if the AAA/AA teams are home, the A ball teams are away, and vice versa. (Keep in mind that the level assignments are pretty loose at first, when a fair number of PawSox are still with the Red Sox and the effect trickles down.) Happy to advise more via questions or PMs.

Red(s)HawksFan · Mar 10, 2015

pokey_reese said:
So, mountains and molehills and all of that, but after getting hurt Friday (and by hurt, I just mean "general soreness" with nothing to worry about), wasn't Victorino supposed to take Saturday and Sunday off, for precautionary reasons, and then play Monday?

He didn't play Monday. Worse than initially reported, or just being extra double cautious? What if he doesn't play Tuesday?

He's in the lineup for today's game, batting lead-off. Remains to be seen what happens when he arrives at the park. He was in the lineup for Saturday's game until he got to the park.

glennhoffmania · Mar 10, 2015

For whatever this is worth:

The Red Sox are now prepared to keep Craig on their roster and, according to manager John Farrell, only play him part-time.

"It'll be an adjustment — how difficult remains to be seen," Farrell said. "He's been accustomed to being an everyday player."

There have been no signs of Boston looking to trade Craig, despite his status as a back-up.

"We fully expect him to be on this team," Farrell said. "There's nothing to expect otherwise. He's the one in particular that we just said, 'Let's get the appropriate number of at-bats that spring training would provide,' and we'll go from there. His attitude has been great. He understands the situation that he's in. He understands that, coming off last year, we had to make decisions to improve the team, and he's got to compete for at-bats. He's more than willing to embrace that."

joe dokes · Mar 10, 2015

kieckeredinthehead said:

Is the lake in the background where the Olin-Crews-Ojeda crash happened?

Snodgrass'Muff · Mar 10, 2015

Who has better hair: Wade Miley or Joe Kelly?

http://m.redsox.mlb.com/bos/video/v43128683/?affiliateId=clubMEGAMENU

These guys really do seem to be having a shitload of fun together.

Edit: And there's also this.

Red(s)HawksFan · Mar 10, 2015

Snodgrass'Muff said:
Edit: And there's also this.

Can't decide if the best part of DO's "uniform" is the loafers or the helmet hat.

grimshaw · Mar 10, 2015

Is that woman Blair from Facts of Life?

Plympton91 · Mar 10, 2015

He's the Ace.

CarolinaBeerGuy · Mar 10, 2015

soxhop411 said:
Boston Red SoxVerified account‏@RedSox

Best buds @45PedroMartinez @davidortiz #SoxSpring

I love this picture unconditionally.

Flunky · Mar 11, 2015

Red(s)HawksFan said:
Can't decide if the best part of DO's "uniform" is the loafers or the helmet hat.

the answer is

loafers.

JohntheBaptist · Mar 11, 2015

soxhop411 said:
Boston Red SoxVerified account‏@RedSox

Best buds @45PedroMartinez @davidortiz #SoxSpring

Hall of Famer Pedro Martinez.

TheoShmeo · Mar 11, 2015

JohntheBaptist said:
Hall of Famer Pedro Martinez.

With eventual HOFer David Ortiz.

IpswichSox · Mar 11, 2015

soxhop411 said:
@PeteAbe: #Phillies are taking a lot of looks at #RedSox 3B prospect Garin Cecchini. Another one today.

Reminder that this afternoon's game is on MLBN.

Snodgrass'Muff · Mar 11, 2015

Unless you are in NESN or YES range, in which case it's on one of those two.

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