Lester: Stop Believing What You Read on Twitter.

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Which is why you bite the bullet now and overpay like a drunken sailor. There is not one pitcher under our control who I can see becoming an ace within the next 3-5 years except Rodriguez and maybe Owens. The very talented free agent crop of next year will lose some to extensions and others will easily top 200 mil deals. We will see this movie again next year, and the year after.....
 
At some point the amount of teams that can afford that will dry up, even with the amount of money that's come into the league with TV deals. There's like 5 Lester caliber (or better) pitchers on the market next year. They're not all getting that kind of money, as its too much strain on most team's payroll flexibility. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see it happening.
 

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Neither are (imo) Price, Cueto and Zimmerman.  
 
The attraction of Lester is that they know him and they know he can pitch in Boston. There are no projections that have to be done about parks and leagues.
 
This is the crux of much of the debate here and likely the debate of the Sox FO.  If we assume you get only one big FA pitcher signing (6/150, 7/175, 8/200 etc.) for the next several years, do you throw your 7/175 or 8/200 offers at Lester or Scherzer this year when perhaps you already thought 6/150 was too high for either of them.
 
The thought process is that even 8/200 is not off-limits anf you're willing to overpay to get the guy you really want.   Is that Zimmerman, Cueto someone else you trade for and then extend for big dollars?
 
If the Sox break the bank on Lester even without an NTC he'll be pretty hard to move, so they're going to war with him and none of the other options for the next 5 years+  We're all good with that given the many alternatives out there this year and next?
 

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Top bid HAS to be the Dodgers.  They haven't visited him and Lester is not really an LA guy so the only way to get him to go there is to place the top bid in years & $.  I think saying that he's not taking the top bid only eliminates the Dodgers and not the Giants.
 

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No use putting stock in anything that's coming out of the media right now. I think everyone's in the dark, and that likely includes Jon. This is a huge decision for him, and it doesn't surprise me at all that he's taking his sweet time. Only thing that will push him to decide quickly is if the market starts developing around him, which we may be seeing now. He won't want to lose any leverage, although at this point I think the offering teams are probably too deep to really pull out unless there's a blockbuster. 
 

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"Jon takes those relationships seriously.  I don;t know that this decision is about money.  He's not going to the top bidder".
-Bobby Evans on MLB Network Radio
 
I heard it myself.  Not a tweet.
 
His quote was "He's not necessarily going to the highest bidder", not "He's NOT going to the highest bidder".
 
 

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MLB network....MIllar seems pretty darn confident that its the Cubbies....
@redsoxstats just tweeted this as well. What exactly did Millar say? I actually kind of trust him in this scenario so this isn't great news
 

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@redsoxstats just tweeted this as well. What exactly did Millar say? I actually kind of trust him in this scenario so this isn't great news
 
He was asked "Will there be an announcement before we come back on at 5?"...cant remember the exact words but seemed pretty confident that the Cubs would be the team....but I couldnt really tell how serious he was. 
 

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Not that we needed it, but Evans naming the teams by name in his meeting w/ the media
 
Dan Roche ‏@RochieWBZ  2m2 minutes ago
Giants Asst GM Bobby Evans on Lester: "He's got some strong and deep relationships that are with 2 clubs in Chicago and in Boston."
 

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bsj said:
 
He was asked "Will there be an announcement before we come back on at 5?"...cant remember the exact words but seemed pretty confident that the Cubs would be the team....but I couldnt really tell how serious he was. 
 
They were joking about getting Lester's camp to wait until Intentional Talk to break the news so they could get the scoop and Millar joked that it would be announced 58 minutes later, just before their show started. When asked where Lester would go he said the Cubs. It was just him riffing, I think.
 

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Corsi said:
Not that we needed it, but Evans naming the teams by name in his meeting w/ the media
 
Dan Roche ‏@RochieWBZ  2m2 minutes ago
Giants Asst GM Bobby Evans on Lester: "He's got some strong and deep relationships that are with 2 clubs in Chicago and in Boston."
 
Assuming this refers to Theo, I could see the proposal of being the ace to lead the Cubs to the promised land as very appealing. That and $165 million, of course.
 

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bsj said:
 
He was asked "Will there be an announcement before we come back on at 5?"...cant remember the exact words but seemed pretty confident that the Cubs would be the team....but I couldnt really tell how serious he was. 
 
Millar has been pushing the whole "winning that long awaited World Series" angle since the start. I took it more as individual speculation then anything else.
 
If Lester truly is prepared to leave a year on the table, and it's not the Cubs with the highest offer (my first guess when the 7 year rumor went out), my money is on him coming home at this point. 
 

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If the Sox break the bank on Lester even without an NTC he'll be pretty hard to move, so they're going to war with him and none of the other options for the next 5 years+  We're all good with that given the many alternatives out there this year and next?
I am, because it's market value, today, and today's market value next year. While demand CAN drop, it needn't drop, and it needn't drop next year.
 
Lester at $25 million/year for seven, including when he's 37
vs.
Scherzer at $25.5 million/year for seven, including when he's 36.5
vs.
Zimmerman at $26 million/year for seven, including wen he's 36
vs.
Cueto at $26.5 million/year for seven years, including when he's 36
 
 
and one of those other guys may get an eighth year and even more money. I know there's a risk that this is the Mike Hampton of current baseball. It could be the Kevin Brown deal of current baseball, or the CC Sabathia deal. And any of the others could, as well. 
 
Now, there's a chance that if it's Boston and Chicago, the Cubs will go as high as they need to. The Sox will know that if they are at 7/$175 million and Lester's side say it'll take more. If he goes to the Cubs at 8/$208 million, I'll say the Sox were wise to drop out, 1) because the Cubs will pay more, and 2) there's a level where other teams will tell Scherzer, Cueto, Zimmerman. "that's not market value in my mind. That's one crazy GM. I'm not paying anyone that." The higher Lester's price goes, the more likely that scenario becomes. Unfortunately, there's always the MFYs and the Dodgers and the Mets.
 

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If it's truly "heartstrings," I think it's got to be the Sox. Sure he may love Theo Epstein and Jed Hoyer, and John Henry in Boston.
 
But a player spends much more time with on-field personnel than off-field staff, so the bigger heartstrings would seem to be Farrell and teammates.
 
Edit: Forgot about Dempster recruiting him, but I'd still lean toward the Sox.
 

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May I direct anyone so inclined to the Lester game thread?
 
Not saying you can't banter, just please do it there. Let's try to keep this a bit cleaner so everyone can get the message board experience they desire. :)
 

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Gordon Edes @GordonEdes · 1m 1 minute ago
FWIW, my colleague at @ESPNChiCubs, Jesse Rogers, tweeted he believes Lester headed to the Cubs.
 

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I remember well clicking on ESPN.com one night to learn that Bernie Williams was coming to the RS ... only to click 5 minutes later to learn that he wasn't.
 
Twitter only makes this worse.
 

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I admire the Cubs for bringing in Dempster and talking with Ross, clearly to lure Lester.  Now THAT's creative negotiating...  Just hope it ain't enough.  My fear, shared by others, is that the lousy spring offer + bad season + trade have loosened Lester's emotional tie to Boston and allowed him to think more about the fun and challenge that a move to the Cubbies could bring.  Stability v. exciting new challenge.  That's a tough, subjective choice, when the money has already reached the silly level.
 

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Would anyone really be upset with him choosing the Cubs? Being the guy to bring a title to that fan base (as well as being the first guy to win one with Boston & Chicago in a long long time) has to be pretty enticing. Furthermore, he gets to be with Theo (who never traded him), and a guy he at least knows in Maddon. And he'll get stupid money.
 
Absolutely this, This would cement his legacy more than he could be in Boston. 
 

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He'll get stupid money either way.
 
I can't blame him for either choice.  
 
I also don't think the fact that Theo "didn't trade him" is some major plus.  There was no animosity between Lester and the Sox in 2014.
 
However, I wonder if the fact that 2014 was a big letdown, and that lots of guys he played with in 2013 won't be around anymore, would lead him to think that maybe going back to the Sox would be less of a homecoming than he'd expect.  It would be like spending a semester abroad from college and coming back and half of your friends are gone. 
 

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Rudy Pemberton said:
Would anyone really be upset with him choosing the Cubs? Being the guy to bring a title to that fan base (as well as being the first guy to win one with Boston & Chicago in a long long time) has to be pretty enticing. Furthermore, he gets to be with Theo (who never traded him), and a guy he at least knows in Maddon. And he'll get stupid money.
Jon Lester wasn't on the 2004 team.
 
http://www.baseball-reference.com/postseason/2004_WS.shtml
 
EDIT: Oh, I guess you're saying the 1st player to win a title with Boston and then a title with the Cubs?  Yeah, I guess that hasn't been done since 1908 but I'd be surprised if someone was on that Sox 1912 team also, since players didn't move around that much back then.  (no I'm not going to look it up.)
 

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It wouldn't upset me ... unless, course, the RS crap the bed on plans B, C, D, which remains to be seen.
 
And it would not be nearly as annoying as having Lester and Miller paired in the Bronx.
 

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The not about money line is really becoming more and more of a company line from his camp, IMO. If he were leaning CHI it would presumably be because of a higher offer. If he were leaning BOS this whole time the delay is to milk as much out of BOS as possible. So why continue saying this then? All final offers would definitely come out so teams could tell their fans they tried. The only thing I can come up with is using the heartstrings RS specter to shake more dollars out of CHI which would imply CHI as a forgone conclusion.

This all asumes that "heartstrings" = Boston which may or not be accurate. But how could that term be applied to CHI?
 

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Wow, if we don't get a decent return for Cespedes that trade goes down as disastrous in my opinion.  Once you let a guy put on another uniform, it makes it easier for him to try on another.  
 
I'll still root for Jon in Chicago, but he really never should have left here.   I assume we'll get a pitcher back in a trade for Cespedes, but he likely won't be as terrific as the one we sent away to bring him here.  
 

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Rudy Pemberton said:
Would anyone really be upset with him choosing the Cubs? Being the guy to bring a title to that fan base (as well as being the first guy to win one with Boston & Chicago in a long long time) has to be pretty enticing. Furthermore, he gets to be with Theo (who never traded him), and a guy he at least knows in Maddon. And he'll get stupid money.
 
It would be admirable. NOT going for the most $$$. Doesn't happen that often.  Nice to know the MFY won't get him too.
 

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Would anyone really be upset with him choosing the Cubs? Being the guy to bring a title to that fan base (as well as being the first guy to win one with Boston & Chicago in a long long time) has to be pretty enticing. Furthermore, he gets to be with Theo (who never traded him), and a guy he at least knows in Maddon. And he'll get stupid money.
I think it would be funny to see how quickly Cubs fans are longing for the days of Soriano's bad contract.
 

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Wow, if we don't get a decent return for Cespedes that trade goes down as disastrous in my opinion.  Once you let a guy put on another uniform, it makes it easier for him to try on another.  
 
I'll still root for Jon in Chicago, but he really never should have left here.   I assume we'll get a pitcher back in a trade for Cespedes, but he likely won't be as terrific as the one we sent away to bring him here.  
 
While disappointed, I'm sure that Lester's trade to a top contender for the stretch run with a chance for another world series justifies him not signing with the Sox.  This is BS.  He would have been a free agent with no return at all and would likely make the same decision that he soon will anyway.
 

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“@jaysonst: One of teams in Lester hunt has expressed willingness to go to a 7th year, source says, but offer not necessarily enough to get a deal done”
 

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While disappointed, I'm sure that Lester's trade to a top contender for the stretch run with a chance for another world series justifies him not signing with the Sox.  This is BS.  He would have been a free agent with no return at all and would likely make the same decision that he soon will anyway.
 
Put another way, how happy would he have been pitching in meaningless games with a bunch of youngsters?  Would that have put him in a better mindset vis-a-vis the Sox rather than trading him to a contender?  It's impossible to know, but assuming the trade is what's driven him away (if he's been driven away) seems like a pretty bold assumption.
 

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“@bradfo: Nothing close with Lester yet. Red Sox met with agents today.”
 

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Jon Lester wasn't on the 2004 team.
 
http://www.baseball-reference.com/postseason/2004_WS.shtml
 
EDIT: Oh, I guess you're saying the 1st player to win a title with Boston and then a title with the Cubs?  Yeah, I guess that hasn't been done since 1908 but I'd be surprised if someone was on that Sox 1912 team also, since players didn't move around that much back then.  (no I'm not going to look it up.)
 
Can't Doubront do that?
 
 
soxhop411 said:
“@jaysonst: One of teams in Lester hunt has expressed willingness to go to a 7th year, source says, but offer not necessarily enough to get a deal done”
 
 
Corsi said:
 
Jayson Stark ‏@jaysonst  8m8 minutes ago
One of teams in Lester hunt has expressed willingness to go to a 7th year, source says, but offer not necessarily enough to get a deal done
 
Didn't we hear this last night, too?
 
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