Kiké Hernandez traded to Dodgers

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I find it concerning that the Dodgers chose to keep Brasier on the big league roster than either of these two guys. But even if they turn out to be the equivalent of a couple discarded scratchies on the ground, we get to flip them over to see if someone else made a mistake.
 

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As a JMU alum I want to love this, and I don’t see any reason not to take a flyer on him and unload Kiké, but Robertson seems like a guy who could just as easily have a breakout season and be a contributor as he could spend his career as a AAAA guy. His redshirt junior season was good enough to get him drafted, but he’s been inconsistent in AAA and this year in LA, albeit with a small sample size.
 

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This seems like a really good return for a guy who didn’t have much value for the Sox. I assumed we’d get some really low level guys.
 

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I am not overall anti-Bloom and am very pleased with this deal, but the notion that there was not a significant error made in the off-season in not obtaining a stopgap SS after Story got hurt strikes me as unduly generous.

It was the job of Bloom, the front office, Cora etc to make a judgement about whether Kike was up to being a ML SS defensively. I had doubts from my couch to the point I was lusting after Miguel Rojas and Nicky Lopez. They plainly decided Kike was up to the job defensively and they were clearly proven wrong. It happens, but it is not credible in my eyes that the failure to get a plausible major league replacement level SS not go down as a significant demerit for the front office.

Of course, they did go out and get Mondesi. I don't know anything about how the checking medicals process works, but it seems that something pretty obviously went wrong here too.
 

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Jack Harris and Passan confirming the return.
If we’re not sending any cash considerations to pay a portion of KH contract remaining in ‘23 (not sure), it’s a fleece

edit: probably a fleece regardless
Let's see if Robertson can stay on the 40, and if Hagenman can make it through the Rule V draft, before calling it a fleece
 

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I find it concerning that the Dodgers chose to keep Brasier on the big league roster than either of these two guys. But even if they turn out to be the equivalent of a couple discarded scratchies on the ground, we get to flip them over to see if someone else made a mistake.
The last two seasons with Boston: 83.1 ip, 92 h, 57 er, 22 bb, 6.16 era, 1.37 whip
Just a couple of months with LAD: 15.0 ip, 6 h, 2 er, 5 bb, 1.20 era, 0.73 whip

SSS and all, but LOL.
 

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I am not overall anti-Bloom and am very pleased with this deal, but the notion that there was not a significant error made in the off-season in not obtaining a stopgap SS after Story got hurt strikes me as unduly generous.

It was the job of Bloom, the front office, Cora etc to make a judgement about whether Kike was up to being a ML SS defensively. I had doubts from my couch to the point I was lusting after Miguel Rojas and Nicky Lopez. They plainly decided Kike was up to the job defensively and they were clearly proven wrong. It happens, but it is not credible in my eyes that the failure to get a plausible major league replacement level SS not go down as a significant demerit for the front office.

Of course, they did go out and get Mondesi. I don't know anything about how the checking medicals process works, but it seems that something pretty obviously went wrong here too.
They signed Yu Chang before the season also, who by definition is a plausible replacement level SS - he broke his wrist on April 24.
 

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The last two seasons with Boston: 83.1 ip, 92 h, 57 er, 22 bb, 6.16 era, 1.37 whip
Just a couple of months with LAD: 15.0 ip, 6 h, 2 er, 5 bb, 1.20 era, 0.73 whip

SSS and all, but LOL.
He always had a decent FIP though; 3.61 last year, 3.73 this year. Seems like was unlucky in Boston and lucky in LA.
 

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Any cash savings at all is pure upside. A little more wiggle room under the threshold, should be around 7m to play with now.
 

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I am not overall anti-Bloom and am very pleased with this deal, but the notion that there was not a significant error made in the off-season in not obtaining a stopgap SS after Story got hurt strikes me as unduly generous.

It was the job of Bloom, the front office, Cora etc to make a judgement about whether Kike was up to being a ML SS defensively. I had doubts from my couch to the point I was lusting after Miguel Rojas and Nicky Lopez. They plainly decided Kike was up to the job defensively and they were clearly proven wrong. It happens, but it is not credible in my eyes that the failure to get a plausible major league replacement level SS not go down as a significant demerit for the front office.

Of course, they did go out and get Mondesi. I don't know anything about how the checking medicals process works, but it seems that something pretty obviously went wrong here too.
IIRC, Kike' was only supposed to be a stop gap until Mondesi was healthy. That didn't happen and Chang was brought in. He got hurt and Reyes was brought in. He got hurt and..... In a nutshell, I think Hernandez played more shortstop than most people thought he would. I think the Sox knew exactly what Mondesi's medicals were and felt that Josh Taylor was worth the gamble. Taylor and his 8.15 ERA are currently on the 60 day IL after surgery on a herniated disc.
 

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His 2021 end of the season tear was one of the greatest I've ever seen as a Sox fan - 1967 Yaz-esque! Of course, watching the bottom fall out on that tear and the whole team against Houston when they were looking postseason unstoppable was one of the tough Boston sports losses ever; that team so should've won a championship that year. Anyhow, we'll always have that great memory of Kike
 

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I find it concerning that the Dodgers chose to keep Brasier on the big league roster than either of these two guys. But even if they turn out to be the equivalent of a couple discarded scratchies on the ground, we get to flip them over to see if someone else made a mistake.
Brasier has been nails for them. 2 ER over 14.2 and a WHIP well under 1.
 

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Robertson optioned to AAA
I assume Hagenman too?
(and Reyes takes the roster spot opened up by Enrique leaving)
 

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If you’re watching this Chaim interview - this team isn’t selling.

Edit — he emphasized that we are starting to see the vision become reality and they want to keep building on that.

Also he gives a good interview and clearly is a very smart guy with a plan.
 
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If you’re watching this Chaim interview - this team isn’t selling.

Edit — he emphasized that we are starting to see the vision become reality and they want to keep building on that.

Also he gives a good interview and clearly is a very smart guy with a plan.
Do you mind on elaborating? Curious what makes you think that RE: not selling.
 

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All kidding aside; this is exactly how I feel. I'm sure along with Justin Turner and Kenley, Alex Cora is bumming too. It's still a business and Kike's play put him in this situation. I look forward to the video montage.
Kike’s shoes deserve their own montage.
 

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As a JMU alum I want to love this, and I don’t see any reason not to take a flyer on him and unload Kiké, but Robertson seems like a guy who could just as easily have a breakout season and be a contributor as he could spend his career as a AAAA guy. His redshirt junior season was good enough to get him drafted, but he’s been inconsistent in AAA and this year in LA, albeit with a small sample size.
Whether LA just has better guys or whatever. Both are "older" in prospect terms, so if they haven't forced their way into full-time MLB-ness, its time to make room for someone who will. Even if they turn out to be good. That's where you want the org to be --- too many good or potentially good players to keep, so you have to start moving the older ones who will have to go anyway.
 

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I am not overall anti-Bloom and am very pleased with this deal, but the notion that there was not a significant error made in the off-season in not obtaining a stopgap SS after Story got hurt strikes me as unduly generous.

It was the job of Bloom, the front office, Cora etc to make a judgement about whether Kike was up to being a ML SS defensively. I had doubts from my couch to the point I was lusting after Miguel Rojas and Nicky Lopez. They plainly decided Kike was up to the job defensively and they were clearly proven wrong. It happens, but it is not credible in my eyes that the failure to get a plausible major league replacement level SS not go down as a significant demerit for the front office.

Of course, they did go out and get Mondesi. I don't know anything about how the checking medicals process works, but it seems that something pretty obviously went wrong here too.
They have a guy on the team named Yu Chang. He plays a very good defensive shortstop. Bloom, the front office, brought him to Boston in the off-season to be a bench player who could fill in at short in case of injury. He did just that, and did it well. And then he suffered a hamate fracture. This is a thing that happens sometimes, and when it does it can require using players in roles that are no one’s first choice. It is not indicative of the front office failing to do its job.
 

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Well, the question is: is 2023 Kiké an actual asset?

He was hitting .222/.279/.320/.599, with an ops+ of 61. That's REALLY bad.

And then defensively, he had a .935 fielding percentage, with 14 errors and was worth -3 runs in the field in limited action. That's also REALLY bad.

So he was really bad at the plate, and really bad in the field, and was worth -0.7 bWAR in 86 games.

Is that kind of player really an asset? I mean, he's a warm body but 2023 Kiké was an "asset" for the Red Sox in name only.
Kike's season at shortstop was Don Buddin-esque (if he played there all year, he would have equaled Buddin's worst year), maybe worse considering most fossils like me believe the scoring decisions back in the day favored the pitcher more than they do now.
 

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I'm late to the JMU party, my daughter is only a rising junior, however @RSN Diaspora might know more.
My daughter graduated in December but I'm not too well versed on their teams, football more than the others. Nice athletic facilities there, that I'm sure about. Especially their new basketball arena.
 

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I am not overall anti-Bloom and am very pleased with this deal, but the notion that there was not a significant error made in the off-season in not obtaining a stopgap SS after Story got hurt strikes me as unduly generous.

It was the job of Bloom, the front office, Cora etc to make a judgement about whether Kike was up to being a ML SS defensively. I had doubts from my couch to the point I was lusting after Miguel Rojas and Nicky Lopez. They plainly decided Kike was up to the job defensively and they were clearly proven wrong. It happens, but it is not credible in my eyes that the failure to get a plausible major league replacement level SS not go down as a significant demerit for the front office.

Of course, they did go out and get Mondesi. I don't know anything about how the checking medicals process works, but it seems that something pretty obviously went wrong here too.
I think they had all the info about Mondesi that you could have, but for some reason his body hasn’t healed like you might expect. Everyone is different to some degree?

Bloom isn’t a master puppeteer. He’s a guy paid a lot to make better guesses about future events involving athletes and their bodies in a volatile, hyper competitive sport. I don’t see any error, I see “shit happens”
 

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This is code for Shohei to Boston, obviously.
See, the thing about reality these days is that it makes zero sense to trade for Ohtani, and all the sense to pay him a ridiculous amount in the offseason. Baseball is weird.
 

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Was there some interest in Kike aside from the Dodgers?

Given his performance this year and our own roster crunch, I'm pretty surprised we saved over a million bucks and got any prospect that has any prayer of appearing in a major league game.

Strong bluff from Chaim.
 

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I think they had all the info about Mondesi that you could have, but for some reason his body hasn’t healed like you might expect. Everyone is different to some degree?

Bloom isn’t a master puppeteer. He’s a guy paid a lot to make better guesses about future events involving athletes and their bodies in a volatile, hyper competitive sport. I don’t see any error, I see “shit happens”
Both Mondesi and Chang not being able to play for a long time is hard to totally pin on Bloom.

I mentioned a couple weeks ago how it was a bit disappointing that Mondesi never got healthy. He was kind of a tantalizing talent that you could’ve envisioned giving you 15 bombs and 45 steals with competent SS defense after he got healthy sometime in May and somehow stayed healthy. But it was always a long shot given his history.
 

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See, the thing about reality these days is that it makes zero sense to trade for Ohtani, and all the sense to pay him a ridiculous amount in the offseason. Baseball is weird.
Only makes sense if you are almost certainly going to win your division (i.e. could have big time value this year) AND you think getting him in your clubhouse will have a meaningful effect on convincing him to sign long term.

If its a positive experience for Shohei and he will sign with you for 700M rather than the Mets for 800M, that's obviously meaningful value.
 

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Thanks for a preposterous October in 2021, Enrique. Hope you reclaim the magic in LA (unless when facing the Sox).
October 2021 puts Quique in the Red Sox pantheon, even if he was below average at most other times.

Why do we care where he went?
It's good for him. He goes home and has a chance to win a WS.
And good for us. The Red Sox should be building a reputation of sending outbound players where they want to go (where possible). It helps in signing free agents down the road.
 

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Only makes sense if you are almost certainly going to win your division (i.e. could have big time value this year) AND you think getting him in your clubhouse will have a meaningful effect on convincing him to sign long term.

If its a positive experience for Shohei and he will sign with you for 700M rather than the Mets for 800M, that's obviously meaningful value.
No thanks, even at the lower end of what seems likely he’s still an arm owie away from being a $70mm/yr DH. Really good one though.

Hope he stays healthy, he’s a blessing to the game.
 

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Was there some interest in Kike aside from the Dodgers?
Greetings from my 31st Dodgers home game of the year, aka, the time I check SoSH the most. I started writing this as things were tense and it's now out of hand for the hometown Blue.

This (Dodgers) team is talented, but it's missing glue. Oddly, last season, personality carried the day: Hanser Alberto was the heart of that team. The dude single-handedly created each and every celebration they used (54 home games attended don't lie). Kershaw was footloose and fancy-free in the dugout, giving wet willies to rookies and - miraculously - not at the center of a cultural firestorm. Dave Roberts ran a tight ship from the right side of the dugout, but the left side, where the off-day starters and Hanser sat, was the soul of that team.

And while (our now, but then theirs) Turner was a big presence, there isn't now a rallier, a crier, a glue. Kikélmer's Glue is strong stuff. I think there's a certain amount of genie-bottle-rubbing going on here, and the Sox sold higher than high.
 

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Very impressed that Bloom pulled this off, and I've not been a fan of most of his work, at least with the major league roster.

Now let's see him get something of value for Kluber!
 

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Very impressed with this move, everyone knew that Kiké needed to be removed from this roster but I was very concerned at the potential clubhouse fallout if he was ultimately jettisoned. Sending him back to a team he has deep connections with is a win-win, and getting two decent AAAA+ relievers to take a chance with was an unexpected bonus. Well done, Chaim.