Kiké Hernandez traded to Dodgers

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Kiké (in his current, shitty form) was completely unnecessary for this team regardless if they want to “buy” or “sell” at the deadline so this makes sense. I do wonder if their insistence at playing him at SS for so long messed with his head and screwed up his offensive approach too.

2 minor leaguers of any calibre is not a terrible return - I was expecting a PTBNL that we never heard from again.
 

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I'm more curious about whether the Dodgers paid anything on his salary to give some overhead in the tax cap than which flyer pitchers are the return. Really hoping the Sox aren't sending the full salary.
 

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View: https://twitter.com/ChrisCotillo/status/1683950819027177472
Two names I’m hearing as possibilities in the Kiké deal: Nick Robertson and Justin Hagenman.
View: https://twitter.com/TomCaron/status/1683951156412792833

View: https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1683951416052797441
The Boston Red Sox will receive right-handed reliever Nick Robertson -- who has thrown 10.1 big league innings this year -- and right-handed reliever Justin Hagenman (now at Triple-A) from the Los Angeles Dodgers in the Kiké Hernandez deal, sources tell ESPN.
 

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I wonder if this scuttles any potential Duvall deal, or rather have they decided to give Duran the CF job against lefties too.

I am not especially fussed about it, but even with the logjam, Kike seemed a better fit on the team rest of season than Arroyo given his ability to be play a very good defensive CF/RF and 2B, ideally on short half of platoon.
 

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Hagenman putting up 1.07 whip, sub3 ERA and more than k/ip in AAA (2023)
Not bad if true
 

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He embraced it. This isn't a case of the Sox asking him to do something he didn't want to do, or that he thought was a stretch: https://www.nbcsportsboston.com/mlb/boston-red-sox/kike-hernandez-has-bold-message-for-doubters-of-shortstop-ability/285043/
No one thought it was that much of a stretch. Anyone who suggests they knew he'd suck at SS is using hindsight. There was no reason to think that in ST.
Anyway, good luck to him. Didn't seem like an asshole.
 

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I wonder if this scuttles any potential Duvall deal, or rather have they decided to give Duran the CF job against lefties too.

I am not especially fussed about it, but even with the logjam, Kike seemed a better fit on the team rest of season than Arroyo given his ability to be play a very good defensive CF/RF and 2B, ideally on short half of platoon.
I don't think it completely eliminates the potential of a Duvall trade. Reyes was playing games in CF on his rehab assignment. He could completely fill the Kike role by backing up the middle infield and spelling Duran. Also, with Story returning soon, there will again be a crunch on the bench with too many middle infielders. If Duvall is still around, that means one of Chang, Arroyo, or Reyes will have to go. With Duvall gone, all three can still fit.
 

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Robertson hasn’t been good at Chavez but he was good in AAA
And he’s from JMU

who’s our JMU expert, @DJnVa?
 

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Sad it came to this. I really liked Kikè. Seemed like a great teammate. Sad to see him go but yeah this is the right call. He was a liability at SS and the plate
All kidding aside; this is exactly how I feel. I'm sure along with Justin Turner and Kenley, Alex Cora is bumming too. It's still a business and Kike's play put him in this situation. I look forward to the video montage.
 

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Add me to the chorus of "loved the guy, seemed like a great dude, thanks for 2021, and - most of all - absolutely delighted to not have to see him play for the Sox anymore."
 

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That’s just not true. Go read the posts in March and April
Like I said, there was no reason to say that in March. Some people just naturally think *everything* is going to suck. Sometimes they're right. By April, he was already sucking at it. In March he played 10 games. No one had any reason to predict what happened.
Over his career, he was an average SS.
 
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Ale Xander

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All kidding aside; this is exactly how I feel. I'm sure along with Justin Turner and Kenley, Alex Cora is bumming too. It's still a business and Kike's play put him in this situation. I look forward to the video montage.
Which one of the 4?
 

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No one thought it was that much of a stretch. Anyone who suggests they knew he'd suck at SS is using hindsight. There was no reason to think that in ST.
Anyway, good luck to him. Didn't seem like an asshole.
IDK, I loved Kiké in CF but always disliked the idea of him at short. I posted all winter that it seemed like sleight of hand that they kept saying it when asked.

And it probably was. But then Mondesi just never got healthy.
 

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I kinda love this trade. It's pretty small in the grand scheme of things, but we got two potentially useful pieces for a not-so-useful piece.
 

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By April, he was already sucking at it. In March he played 10 games. No one had any reason to predict what happened.
Over his career, he was an average SS in 1000 innings or so.
People that watched the Dodgers when he was there a few years ago did
 

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Robertson is 25 and on the 40-man, looks like 2 options left after this year. Hagenman is 26 and Rule 5 eligible.
 

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I kinda love this trade. It's pretty small in the grand scheme of things, but we got two potentially useful pieces for a not-so-useful piece.
Yeah , I would have been real happy if it was just one of these alleged two

(Depending on if/how much we’re paying)

this looks like a potential Chaimian fleece
 

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I don't care if the Red Sox are paying all of Kiké's salary for the rest of this season...this is a really nice trade if that reported return is true. Now maybe neither of those guys pans out, but they're both interesting enough that this could end up being a home run if either of them works out, never mind both.
 

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Jack Harris and Passan confirming the return.
If we’re not sending any cash considerations to pay a portion of KH contract remaining in ‘23 (not sure), it’s a fleece

edit: probably a fleece regardless
 

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I don't care if the Red Sox are paying all of Kiké's salary for the rest of this season...this is a really nice trade if that reported return is true. Now maybe neither of those guys pans out, but they're both interesting enough that this could end up being a home run if either of them works out, never mind both.
In exchange for a player who had no role. That's what a good trade is.
 

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Funny how things work. When the #RedSox signed Kiké Hernández to an extension last Sept., they heralded it as the first move in building a good team for 2023. Now his being traded may touch off a series of moves that do improve the team.
 

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Adding a couple upper-minors arms, one on LAD 40-man and one who'll be Rule 5 eligible, makes me wonder if there are further moves in the works, with some of our own pitching depth (minors or majors) out the door later this week.
 

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Adding a couple upper-minors arms, one on LAD 40-man and one who'll be Rule 5 eligible, makes me wonder if there are further moves in the works, with some of our own pitching depth (minors or majors) out the door later this week.
I'm pretty sure there are going to be deals before the Rule 5 deadline. I'm also sure someone's gonna want a lefty reliever and would give us one or more lower level pieces next week.
 

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The back end of the bullpen is such a glaring problem that grabbing two guys with promising numbers like theirs makes total sense, come what may.
 

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There definitely was some skepticism…. I was thinking he’d be good enough to hold the fort until Story or Beltre was healthy and thinking it’d be 6-8 weeks. Wouldn’t be “good” but also wouldn’t kill the team.

Mondesi I mean!!!!
 

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There definitely was some skepticism…. I was thinking he’d be good enough to hold the fort until Story or Beltre was healthy and thinking it’d be 6-8 weeks. Wouldn’t be “good” but also wouldn’t kill the team.
IIRC there was some argument that Hernandez belonged in CF. . .but not much that he wouldn't be able to be a passible SS defensively.