Felger and Mazz - Creating False Naratives one day at a time

WenZink · Mar 20, 2015

GeorgeCostanza said:
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I loved mustard and Johnson growing up so my opinion on sports talk radio should be rightfully discounted with extreme prejudice.

Tony Massarotti is the only "sports-talk" radio personality that I consider lower than Larry Johnson. At least Larry can "trace." Mazz has nothing. Someday, when F&M experience a severe ratings decline, Mazz will work off the rest of his contract bringing Beetle snacks and diet colas.

Dalton Jones · Mar 20, 2015

Count me among those who can't stand the sound, the mere sound, of Jones's voice. That alone is enough to set me off. His blatant attempts at generating interest with his hot sports takes is incredibly off putting, and when you add the stupidity, well I'm done. Felger is a douche but at least he's a compelling douche from the to time.

PeaceSignMoose · Mar 20, 2015

Dalton Jones said:
Count me among those who can't stand the sound, the mere sound, of Jones's voice. That alone is enough to set me off. His blatant attempts at generating interest with his hot sports takes is incredibly off putting, and when you add the stupidity, well I'm done. Felger is a douche but at least he's a compelling douche from the to time.

For some reason I read this in Adam Jones voice. I have problems.

John Marzano Olympic Hero · Mar 24, 2015

Today, I happened to catch Maz apologizing to the listeners by saying, "I'm going to talk about about the Revis thing from now until November!" Clearly he was being facetious, he'll probably talk about Revis until two weeks after the Patriots are eliminated in next year's playoffs. But I think we found the talking point for the next year.

Adios Felger and Mazz, you were a real treat.

BTW, I love how F&M hammer the Pats for "being cheap" in one segment and then rip on the Red Sox for "spending too much money" in the next. What is the perfect amount of money to spend? Where is the line of demarkation between cheapskate and drunken sailor?

NickEsasky · Mar 24, 2015

John Marzano Olympic Hero said:
Today, I happened to catch Maz apologizing to the listeners by saying, "I'm going to talk about about the Revis thing from now until November!" Clearly he was being facetious, he'll probably talk about Revis until two weeks after the Patriots are eliminated in next year's playoffs. But I think we found the talking point for the next year.

Adios Felger and Mazz, you were a real treat.

BTW, I love how F&M hammer the Pats for "being cheap" in one segment and then rip on the Red Sox for "spending too much money" in the next. What is the perfect amount of money to spend? Where is the line of demarkation between cheapskate and drunken sailor?

See here is the thing. It doesn't matter how much a team spends in F&M world. Whatever the team is doing F&M will argue that is the wrong strategy. No need for consistency when trolling radio listeners.

Smiling Joe Hesketh · Mar 24, 2015

John Marzano Olympic Hero said:
BTW, I love how F&M hammer the Pats for "being cheap" in one segment and then rip on the Red Sox for "spending too much money" in the next. What is the perfect amount of money to spend? Where is the line of demarkation between cheapskate and drunken sailor?

They of course have it exactly backwards: the Pats play under a salary cap and the Sox don't.

John Marzano Olympic Hero · Mar 24, 2015

"Don't tell me it's about those three guys that need a contract next year Mike! That's an excuse!"

JayMags71 · Mar 24, 2015

John Marzano Olympic Hero said:
Today, I happened to catch Maz apologizing to the listeners by saying, "I'm going to talk about about the Revis thing from now until November!" Clearly he was being facetious, he'll probably talk about Revis until two weeks after the Patriots are eliminated in next year's playoffs. But I think we found the talking point for the next year.

Adios Felger and Mazz, you were a real treat.

We call that the "Mark Teixeira Theory" of argumentation.

54thMA · Mar 24, 2015

Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
They of course have it exactly backwards: the Pats play under a salary cap and the Sox don't.

Yeah, but the cap is crap, just ask Felger.

I haven't listened to them in about two weeks, decided to tune in today; they're still talking about Revis and how they let him go and how cheap they are and how this was a mistake and how Brady is getting older.

Fifteen minutes later, I'm out.

Einstein was right.

Reverend · Mar 25, 2015

54thMA said:
Yeah, but the cap is crap, just ask Felger.

I haven't listened to them in about two weeks, decided to tune in today; they're still talking about Revis and how they let him go and how cheap they are and how this was a mistake and how Brady is getting older.

Fifteen minutes later, I'm out.

Einstein was right.

I'm pretty sure there's no actual evidence that Einstein ever said that.

soxhop411 · Mar 25, 2015

@985TheSportsHub: Shane Victorino Openly Lobbying For A Mookie Betts-Cole Hamels Trade? @FelgerAndMazz Discuss: http://t.co/WeJ2tqKN0j http://t.co/aHO1z5pwWV

Corsi · Mar 25, 2015

soxhop411 said:
@985TheSportsHub: Shane Victorino Openly Lobbying For A Mookie Betts-Cole Hamels Trade? @FelgerAndMazz Discuss: http://t.co/WeJ2tqKN0j http://t.co/aHO1z5pwWV

This is info-wars level lunacy.

It also follows Betteridge's law of headlines.

RedOctober3829 · Mar 26, 2015

@ScottLauber: Shane Victorino provides context to comments that started talk-radio flap. Calls out "Mazz and whoever that other guy is." #RedSox

Corsi · Mar 26, 2015

https://twitter.com/brianmacp/status/581079179883638784
link to tweet

https://twitter.com/brianmacp/status/581079292601323520

https://twitter.com/brianmacp/status/581079292601323520

link to tweet

RedOctober3829 · Mar 26, 2015

@brianmacp: Victorino: "Don't sit behind a mike and be a coward and put words in my mouth." Reiterated belief Betts is a McCutchen in the making.

Byrdbrain · Mar 26, 2015

While part of me enjoys Mazz being called I know F&M will love this and it will give them many hours more trolling the moderately informed masses.

edit: I've just heard some of the sound and Vic comes off pretty bad in my opinion. Lots of don't sit there and talk about me on the radio why don't you come here and talk about it. Mazz is a lazy hack but his job is to sit in a radio studio and give his opinion. He doesn't need to go in the locker room and talk to the players in person to have an opinion.

jimbobim · Mar 26, 2015

Listen no one loves someone calling Felger and Mazz out for being terrible more than me but Vic isn't exactly blameless here. He had to mildly comprehend how his comments could be construed or twisted...

Red(s)HawksFan · Mar 26, 2015

jimbobim said:
Listen no one loves someone calling Felger and Mazz out for being terrible but Vic isn't exactly blameless here. He had to mildly comprehend how his comments could be construed or twisted...

His quotes were in an article, not on video/audio, right? It's very possible he was perfectly clear in his comments and they were poorly transcribed or edited to be more vague and open to interpretation, particularly by people anxious to stir shit up...like reporters and radio personalities. Doesn't totally excuse the fact that he probably shouldn't have commented at all, but the lack of clarity in his original quotes might not be all on him.

timlinin8th · Mar 26, 2015

Red(s)HawksFan said:
Doesn't totally excuse the fact that he probably shouldn't have commented at all, but the lack of clarity in his original quotes might not be all on him.

I hate the idea that athletes "shouldn't comment". Thats why the sports world has a dire lack of any character, we get the safe cliches and guys walking on eggshells, and when god forbid a guy strays from that and speaks candidly he gets roasted. I'd much prefer guys actually speak the truth and when they get misinterpreted (or twisted into hotsportztakes) that they can tell these guys to shove the microphone straight up their ass for trolling clickbait.

Harry Hooper · Mar 26, 2015

Byrdbrain said:
While part of me enjoys Mazz being called I know F&M will love this and it will give them many hours more trolling the moderately informed masses.

It's not quite at the level of John Henry coming in to the studio, but it's still a big "victory" for F& M to have Vic comment on their jackassery.

Corsi · Mar 26, 2015

Mike Reiss checks in with his thoughts.

Thoughts on Victorino, sports talk radio, the media culture in Boston and more

Harry Hooper · Mar 26, 2015

Corsi said:
Mike Reiss checks in with his thoughts.

Thoughts on Victorino, sports talk radio, the media culture in Boston and more

Reiss writes:

I also consider them friends, and have great respect for their work ethic, seeing it first-hand when working side-by-side with them in their pre-radio days. They both busted their tails to get where they are. They’ll now rib me on the radio at times by framing me as a Patriots homer or a fifth son of ownership, and I’ll take a few shots at them in weekly chats or mailbags for their outlandish commentary that has no basis in fact (e.g. the Patriots should build their team more like the Jets!; the salary cap is a farce!), which I view as being all in good fun.

I can only scratch my head at Reiss' reaction to being routinely labelled a team mouthpiece with no professional integrity by Felger.

Smiling Joe Hesketh · Mar 26, 2015

Mike is nice to a fault and I assume that he never takes F&M's comments personally. He knows they are carnival barkers telling everyone to come see the egress, so when they say stupid shit he lets it slide.

Reverend · Mar 26, 2015

Yeah--maybe he just doesn't care.

joe dokes · Mar 26, 2015

Harry Hooper said:
Reiss writes:

I can only scratch my head at Reiss' reaction to being routinely labelled a team mouthpiece with no professional integrity by Felger.

His reaction is that of a person who gives not one shit about what Felger or Misserotti thinks of him. That is the reaction of an adult who understands that he does his job very very well, and is secure enough to understand that when Felger reaches into his own ass and writes "Reiss is a homer" in feces, that it only makes Felger look bad.

Both are good "at what they do." They have different audiences.

Harry Hooper · Mar 26, 2015

Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
Mike is nice to a fault and I assume that he never takes F&M's comments personally. He knows they are carnival barkers telling everyone to come see the egress, so when they say stupid shit he lets it slide.

Yeah, I can readily understand not escalating things to defamation-lawsuit levels. I just don't get engaging with F&M at all.

joe dokes · Mar 26, 2015

Harry Hooper said:
Yeah, I can readily understand not escalating things to defamation-lawsuit levels. I just don't get engaging with F&M at all.

Kill 'em with kindness. Makes F&M look even smaller.

JimBoSox9 · Mar 26, 2015

There is no Rev said:
Yeah--maybe he just doesn't care.

Are you allowed to do that when people think and say mean things about you? Wild.

Ed Hillel · Mar 26, 2015

You think that's something, check this out from Reiss' chat:

Mike - Love your work. I constantly check the website throughout the day. However you work for ESPN. That network is way more guilty of over-the-top viewpoints and unsubstantiated rumors than Feldger and Maz. ESPN invented sports reporting as entertainment.

KTP, I read your whole comment but pared it down. This is fair. That doesn't change my viewpoint on the topic.

That takes some balls, not only his answer, but taking the question itself. Reiss is the best, I feel like we should dress him up in a fedora.

ForKeeps · Mar 26, 2015

Who did that guy think Reiss was referring to when he mentioned "national TV shows"? Fox Sports 1? Boy he really gotcha there, Reiss!

Corsi · Mar 26, 2015

Notice this clowns are conveniently not bringing up Blake Swihart? That's been the guy they've been hot after for months, but it doesn't fit their narrative so they're focusing on Mookie Betts.

RedOctober3829 · Mar 26, 2015

Reiss' comments are extremely on point. When you can sit behind a microphone and say whatever you want without having to cover a team day-to-day you tend to spew off and say things you wouldn't normally say. What F&M, D&C, and other shock-jock type of talk shows do is troll for ratings and nothing more. Sure, they do talk some issues seriously from time to time but the main objective of the show is to be as outlandish as possible to drive the ratings which make them money. I don't fault them for doing so. I just have to assume that when I turn it on(which I haven't done as much of in the last week or so) I will hear such bullcrap(Mazz's favorite word) that I'll get pissed off.

mcpickl · Mar 26, 2015

jimbobim said:
Listen no one loves someone calling Felger and Mazz out for being terrible more than me but Vic isn't exactly blameless here. He had to mildly comprehend how his comments could be construed or twisted...

Comical though that it's Felger and Mazz to do it though.

These are the same clowns who give Tom Brady crap for not standing up to Patriots management and demand better teammates.

NortheasternPJ · Mar 26, 2015

RedOctober3829 said:
When you can sit behind a microphone and say whatever you want without having to cover a team day-to-day you tend to spew off and say things you wouldn't normally say.

First of all, I think this entire "controversy" is extremely dumb.

But people say what you said above. Then when someone is in the locker room every day and on the beat they say shit like "Well you can't report all the bad stuff, else they won't give you a story the next time".

When Haggs reported the John Lackey story about double fisting beers he was railroaded by the normal beat reporters.

So you are a "coward behind the microphone" you have no credibility, if you are a beat reporter who relies on stories from your "friends" and can't say anything negative (Hi Drew Bledsoe! Ohh Hey Ron Borges!) you have no credibility.

What do people want? The media has showed you can't be fair, honest and still get the inside stories. If that's true, then the large majority of beat reporters are lazy or frauds.

the1andonly3003 · Mar 26, 2015

this reminds me of the go-go days of the 90s...and the Carl Everett Red Sox vs. the media

let this season get ugly...from Sandoval being fat to Vic vs. Mazz and that other guy...let's go!

j-man · Mar 26, 2015

i try to avoid the show now i think their dream would be all;boston teams in last place ex the b's with big mouth players IE Canseco

ForKeeps · Mar 27, 2015

That's not their dream, it's their nightmare. If the teams really do suck nobody gets riled up when you say "They suck!"

Tito's Pullover · Mar 27, 2015

Intentional or not, I love the double-meaning of the "sit behind a Mike" quote.

Bleedred · Mar 27, 2015

Chad Finn took a nice shot at F&M in his column today: "It's too bad Red Sox outfielder Shane Victorino, peeved at 98.5 the Sports Hub's highly rated "Felger and Massarotti" troll-fest for howling that he wants to see Mookie Betts traded for Cole Hamels, decided to pass on an opportunity to go on the program. It would have been fascinating to see if Felger in particular would have challenged Victorino or turtled Claude Lemieux-style as he did when frequent pinata Mike Cameron was greeted like a long lost friend on the program in 2010."

I have the hard copy of the paper, not a link.

Corsi · Mar 27, 2015

What a racist puke.

Felger:

I guess it's possible David Ortiz didn't use steroids. I guess it's possible he's the one Dominican-raised, Angel Presinal-trained, home run-hitting-deep-into-his-career slugging designated hitter who failed a steroid test not to take them. I supposed he could be that guy.

http://www.csnne.com/article/felger-i-guess-its-possible-ortiz-didnt-use-peds

southshoresoxfan · Mar 27, 2015

Not seeing the racism there Corsi

TheRooster · Mar 27, 2015

I do. It is the Domincan part. Shouldn't guys like Napoli and Dunn be suspect since they could still hit HRs after the age of 33? Nah, they aren't Domincan. Or Cuban.

richgedman'sghost · Mar 27, 2015

Corsi said:
What a racist puke.

Felger:
http://www.csnne.com/article/felger-i-guess-its-possible-ortiz-didnt-use-peds

However, Dunn and Napoli have not been associated with Angel Presinal as Ortiz has. Several of Presinal's clients have been linked to PED's. Felger could have left the Dominican adjective out but I don't think the comment was racist such as several of Skank's columns have been.

Quiddity · Mar 27, 2015

j-man said:
i try to avoid the show now i think their dream would be all;boston teams in last place ex the b's with big mouth players IE Canseco

Their ideal would be for the teams to get in the playoffs but lose at some point then, ideally to a bitter rival. For example the Pats losing to the Ravens in 2012 and Broncos in 2013. The team is good enough to be relevant and to get people to listen, but they also get to kill them non-stop for not winning a championship.

j-man · Mar 27, 2015

Corsi said:
What a racist puke.

Felger:
http://www.csnne.com/article/felger-i-guess-its-possible-ortiz-didnt-use-peds

+1 good take corsi i like oritz he is a champ period anytime u hit 800 aga the cards in the world series in 2013 i am very happy

j-man · Mar 27, 2015

Quiddity said:
Their ideal would be for the teams to get in the playoffs but lose at some point then, ideally to a bitter rival. For example the Pats losing to the Ravens in 2012 and Broncos in 2013. The team is good enough to be relevant and to get people to listen, but they also get to kill them non-stop for not winning a championship.

+1 that sad i am not saying u have to be a homer but if u are fair honest and smart which felgar and mazz are not then maybe u can get big-name players on the show that will keep the fans entertained for more than 20 min

RedOctober3829 · Apr 3, 2015

Jesus, these guys are so stupid. Comparing "Theo guys" and "Cherington guys" and harping that Cherington has been there for 3 years. Idiots. Cherington was here for how many years working with Theo? Inheriting good players? He had a hand in bringing them in you idiots.

steveluck7 · Apr 3, 2015

Oh man. i was coming to post about this. Mazz gives Theo credit for acquiring Addison Russel from OAK but ignores Cherington getting E-Rod from Baltimore. Then, when discussing prospect lists mind you, mentions that Theo gets credit for Bogaerts and Betts even though they aren't, you know, prospects. I got home and out of the car when he mentioned WMB but it sounded like he was gonna criticize how he was handled too
Ridiculous attempts to rig an argument

RedOctober3829 · Apr 3, 2015

steveluck7 said:
Oh man. i was coming to post about this. Mazz gives Theo credit for acquiring Addison Russel from OAK but ignores Cherington getting E-Rod from Baltimore. Then, when discussing prospect lists mind you, mentions that Theo gets credit for Bogaerts and Betts even though they aren't, you know, prospects. I got home and out of the car when he mentioned WMB but it sounded like he was gonna criticize how he was handled too
Ridiculous attempts to rig an argument

"This season is a referendum on the GM. I still don't know how good he is."

I guess the guys he signed that led them to the World Series(Uehara, Napoli, Victorino) weren't good enough for them.

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