Felger and Mazz - Creating False Naratives one day at a time

[Phenom]

QUOTE (dcmissle @ Feb 9 2010, 05:37 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2806049
It's probably not that so much as he and Felger banking on Manning's coronation for a few days of material, e.g.,

1. Brady's lost his edge (insert > needs to be "goosed" by Tebow)

2. Colts were *really* the team of the decade ("that will get the audience riled up")

and so on.


Yeah, I think a guy like Mazz can't stand to be wrong. He was probably rooting for Manning in order to come on the radio the next day and proclaim how right he was and how "Rome is really burning."

But Felger has no problem admitting he's wrong and said that he stood up and applauded when Peyton threw that pick.

I think as "off" as he may be on some things (Tebow), Felger is the most genuine guy in the sports talk radio market here. He really seems to enjoy his job, enjoy expressing his opinion, and enjoy rooting for things/teams. I'm no homer, and as cynical as the next guy, but you can be a contrarian and genuine. I feel like that's what Felger is.

Whereas for Mazz, I get the feeling that if given the choice, he would sit in a press box next to Shaughnessy and do bad Boston accent impersonations rather than sit with the barbarians known as "fans."

 

[John Marzano Olympic Hero]

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Whereas for Mazz, I get the feeling that if given the choice, he would sit in a press box next to Shaughnessy and do bad Boston accent impersonations rather than sit with the barbarians known as "fans."


I don't think that's true at all. If you read the book that he and John Harper wrote, "A Tale of Two Cities" about the 2004 season, you'll realize that's not true at all. In fact, it's the opposite. Harper says that Massarotti takes the Red Sox losing as hard as anyone in the press box. He gets pissed, he's hard to be around (especially after a loss to the Yankees) and he's a genuinely doesn't understand how the Sox could lose to New York. Harper kids him about this in the book.

With that in mind and that fact that he grew up in Waltham and went to Tufts, it seems as if Tony Massarotti is pretty much like the type of guys that are on SoSH. The only difference is, he has a four-hour talk show.

And I think that sometimes people get confused when Massarotti brings up the Rome is burning thing about the Patriots. He's not happy that it's happening, but you'd be incredibly naive to think that some of the luster has been lost in Foxborough. Does this team remind you of the 2001, 2003, 2004 or 2007 Patriots? Really? Every run has an ending and this may be the end to the Patriots' run. Coaches, front office people, players have all left or gotten old. It happens and calling it out (which I think that Mazz does) doesn't make him an asshole.

 

[Sparky Lyle]

Hockey talk. It's been hockey talk since the open, for the most part. I love it. Felger is doing well regarding this. I think.

 

[dcmissle]

QUOTE (Ahriman @ Feb 5 2010, 04:21 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2800920
Felger is the man. He just got Mike Pereira to admit that the NFL Competition Committee more than likely changed the rules to screw the Pats. I know this is something fans have long held to be true, but for the head of NFL officiating to say it is pretty awesome (or sad).


Great get. Last night, it made it's way here: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...t-seem-logical/

 

[weeba]

Yesterday's change over with Greeeeeeeesh had me dying. Felger kept making him play the Danica Patrick "bumped in the kink" clip over and over again.

 

[Dummy Hoy]

There is no way I will be able to listen to this show come baseball season. As much as I disagree with Felger about baseball, I don't think he's an idiot, but today did it. The two hosts both said that the only reason the Red Sox were talking about UZR and Run Differential this offseason was that they were "spinning" away the fact that they couldn't sign a big bat. I'm not annoyed that the two dummies disagreed with the method, but to not even undertsand that it is a viable method of team construction is beyond me.

It's embarassing.

 

[Phenom]

QUOTE (Dummy Hoy @ Feb 11 2010, 06:39 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2808965
There is no way I will be able to listen to this show come baseball season. As much as I disagree with Felger about baseball, I don't think he's an idiot, but today did it. The two hosts both said that the only reason the Red Sox were talking about UZR and Run Differential this offseason was that they were "spinning" away the fact that they couldn't sign a big bat. I'm not annoyed that the two dummies disagreed with the method, but to not even undertsand that it is a viable method of team construction is beyond me.

It's embarassing.


I didn't hear Mazz say that today, but he's said that in the past, so I believe you.

All I heard Massarotti say today was, "the Red Sox will be a good team, they'll score runs, they have a great starting rotation, but how will they fare against good pitching on the road?" Which is a question that I think a lot of us have about this team as currently constructed.

However, Felger's hate for Mike Cameron is a little silly. He's not great, he may be more mediocre at this point, but to carry out a crusade against the guy is a little much.

"Felger and Mazz" runs on talking points. They have a few talking points for each team, and revolve their show/opinions around those talking points. They don't like to get caught up in "petty" arguments. I don't think this is going to be a show that devotes a lot of time to discussing Terry Francona's bullpen managment in mid-April (which I think is a good thing).

So with that, they'll be more "big picture" oriented. You may disagree with their analysis of the "big picture," but that's what I think it will be.

 

[John Marzano Olympic Hero]

I was listening to Felger rip the Sox for not signing Damon today and I think what he fails to acknowledge is that this isn't a static (non) signing. In December, Damon wanted four years at $13M+ per year. As the winter moved on and teams laughed at giving that money to a 36-year-old, his price (and years) dropped dramatically. Now he can probably be had for $8-9M on a short contract, which is probably what the Sox would have done had he established this baseline at the beginning of the winter.

They didn't foresee this (few did) and now he's a bargain. The Sox had to move on Cameron because at the price they got him for, he wouldn't have lasted long. And if the winter had gone according to plan, Jeremy Hermedia would have been your starting left fielder.

The Sox needed an outfielder, there was one they liked, they got him. THey didn't think that Damon would be around at the price he was at.

 

[SoundsofIglesias]

QUOTE (John Marzano Olympic Hero @ Feb 11 2010, 07:04 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2808990
I was listening to Felger rip the Sox for not signing Damon today and I think what he fails to acknowledge is that this isn't a static (non) signing. In December, Damon wanted four years at $13M+ per year. As the winter moved on and teams laughed at giving that money to a 36-year-old, his price (and years) dropped dramatically. Now he can probably be had for $8-9M on a short contract, which is probably what the Sox would have done had he established this baseline at the beginning of the winter.

They didn't foresee this (few did) and now he's a bargain. The Sox had to move on Cameron because at the price they got him for, he wouldn't have lasted long. And if the winter had gone according to plan, Jeremy Hermedia would have been your starting left fielder.

The Sox needed an outfielder, there was one they liked, they got him. THey didn't think that Damon would be around at the price he was at.


I don't really see a great fit with Damon and the Sox. So it's kind of a non-issue, unless Damon had alittle more value in the field.

 

[mikeford]

I mean... the Sox could very easily still sign Damon. Cameron becomes the 4th outfielder and Hermida's deal is non-guaranteed so... byebye Jeremey. I still think it is worthy of discussion because as Mazz brought up, Damon is sure as hell a much tougher out than Cameron is going to be against a CC Sabathia or AJ Burnett come playoff time.

Moreover, Damon isn't gonna play a full season of OF at this point in his career so you could place his rest primarily on the road so you don't have his noodlearm in a LF that isn't as shallow as Fenway.

This might piss Mike Cameron off, but he's basically been on crap teams his whole career... maybe it wouldn't piss him off that bad to be on a team that good?

 

[John Marzano Olympic Hero]

A bunch of questions regarding your logic, Mike:

Theo Epstein knows who the upcoming free agents are, why would he make the trade for Hermida in November only to let him go in December/January? What's the point of that?

And Cameron signed with the Sox with the notion that he wasn't going to be a 4th OF. You can't have four OFs starting, how would that go over?

And also your logic seems to be predicated on the fact that Damon is going to get hurt over the season. Why would you sign a guy that you think is going to get hurt?

I do agree that Damon is a tougher out than Cameron, but Cameron does things better than Damon too.

The problem that I have with F/M's argument is that they dismiss all of the things that Cameron does well, amplify the stuff that Damon does well and don't take into account the other factors that were in place when the Sox signed Cameron/passed on Damon. I know that this is sports radio, but it's not a simple black and white issue.

 

[mikeford]

QUOTE (John Marzano Olympic Hero @ Feb 12 2010, 12:36 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2809903
A bunch of questions regarding your logic, Mike:

Theo Epstein knows who the upcoming free agents are, why would he make the trade for Hermida in November only to let him go in December/January? What's the point of that?

And Cameron signed with the Sox with the notion that he wasn't going to be a 4th OF. You can't have four OFs starting, how would that go over?

And also your logic seems to be predicated on the fact that Damon is going to get hurt over the season. Why would you sign a guy that you think is going to get hurt?

I do agree that Damon is a tougher out than Cameron, but Cameron does things better than Damon too.

The problem that I have with F/M's argument is that they dismiss all of the things that Cameron does well, amplify the stuff that Damon does well and don't take into account the other factors that were in place when the Sox signed Cameron/passed on Damon. I know that this is sports radio, but it's not a simple black and white issue.


I'll go piece by piece here JMOH

1. He traded for Hermida (and signed Cameron for that matter) without knowing this unique opportunity would present itself down the line. They signed Hermida to a NON-GUARANTEED deal, which seems very peculiar to me given the fact that they did trade for him.

2. And yes, Cameron signed with the idea that he would be a starter and I acknowledged being pushed to 4th OF would probably piss him off and even, worst case scenario, turn him potentially into a Jay Payton type of personality in the locker room. But maybe not. Maybe he'd swallow it for the chance to win a ring. From a fan perspective just discussing the potential of signing Damon, I feel you can at least make a guess at that. Is it likely? No probably not but I wouldn't say its 100% out of the realm of possibility.

3. Not predicating it on Damon getting hurt, just predicating it on not playing Damon 162 games. (Damon hasnt played 150 games in 5 years). More accurately, I'm just predicating it on giving the guy rest and not exposing his bad arm to deeper LF's in the league. I definitely think there is a way to get Cameron, Ellsbury, Damon and Ortiz (does anyone really want to see Ortiz as DH for every game in 2010?) all enough ABs in the lineup to keep guys from getting pissed off provided Cameron was okay with 4th OF duty.


As I say this, I'm not saying the Sox absolutely need to do this, or throwing Cameron under the bus as a terrible player like Felger was doing yesterday. You're right about that they just ignored anything Cameron did well and anything Damon did poorly. But having said all that, I think it is a unique situation that, given Hermida's contract being non-guaranteed, is something they could and probably should still explore.

 

[Gambler7]

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They signed Hermida to a NON-GUARANTEED deal, which seems very peculiar to me given the fact that they did trade for him.

That doesn't mean anything. All pre-arbitration and arbitration eligible players sign "non-guaranteed" contracts.

 

[mikeford]

QUOTE (Gambler7 @ Feb 12 2010, 01:55 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2810024
That doesn't mean anything. All pre-arbitration and arbitration eligible players sign "non-guaranteed" contracts.

Alright, fine but isn't this still similar to bringing back Josh Bard only to axe him halfway through the spring?

 

[Gambler7]

Not really. Josh Bard was a Free Agent who signed a non-guaranteed deal. It's different.

You aren't going to have Damon or Cameron sit on the bench. Cameron is a better all-around player anyways. There is no need for Damon on this team. I would rather have Hermida who at least has a chance of breaking out and will accept the role. To throw that away would be dumb.

Back to the show, the most annoying thing about it has to be Mazz's fake Boston accent, I cringe every time he imitates a boston fan. He needs to drop that.

 

[John Marzano Olympic Hero]

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Alright, fine but isn't this still similar to bringing back Josh Bard only to axe him halfway through the spring?


There's a big difference between Jeremy Hermida and Josh Bard, don't you think?

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2. And yes, Cameron signed with the idea that he would be a starter and I acknowledged being pushed to 4th OF would probably piss him off and even, worst case scenario, turn him potentially into a Jay Payton type of personality in the locker room. But maybe not. Maybe he'd swallow it for the chance to win a ring. From a fan perspective just discussing the potential of signing Damon, I feel you can at least make a guess at that. Is it likely? No probably not but I wouldn't say its 100% out of the realm of possibility.


As a GM, or any good businessman, you simply can't do that. You can not give your word to a player and then turn around and break it when something better comes along. Put it this way, say you were hired to be a salesman and right before you started your first day your boss calls and says, "Mike, sorry to break it to you, but you have to work as a janitor (or in the call center, whatever). We got an opportunity to hire a slightly better salesman, so I'm sure you can understand." You'd probably tell the guy to go screw himself and look for a different job.

Because of an unbreakable Cameron doesn't have that opportunity. He'd have to either swallow his pride (for two years) or become a gigantic pain and demand a trade, which couldn't be done until after June 1. So if Cameron chooses the latter (and I wouldn't blame him one bit) he is a pain in the ass for three-and-a-half months and other GMs now have you over a barrel, if Epstein does try to trade him.

Why would you potentially sabotage your season, not to mention your reputation, for a year or two of a 36-year-old Johnny Damon? If you wanted Damon that bad enough, you could have made him an offer in December and only overpaid him in dollars. And remember this about Damon, he's not playing 81 games at the new Yankee Stadium. His numbers aren't going to be anywhere near as good this year as they were last year.

 

[Sparky Lyle]

QUOTE (Gambler7 @ Feb 12 2010, 02:16 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2810057
Back to the show, the most annoying thing about it has to be Mazz's fake Boston accent, I cringe every time he imitates a boston fan. He needs to drop that.



You do know where he's from, right?

 

[Scoots McBoots]

Walthamites aren't exactly exactly known for their Boston accents.

 

[mcpickl]

QUOTE (John Marzano Olympic Hero @ Feb 12 2010, 02:21 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2810068
Because of an unbreakable Cameron doesn't have that opportunity. He'd have to either swallow his pride (for two years) or become a gigantic pain and demand a trade, which couldn't be done until after June 1. So if Cameron chooses the latter (and I wouldn't blame him one bit) he is a pain in the ass for three-and-a-half months and other GMs now have you over a barrel, if Epstein does try to trade him.


I'm no advocating it, because I think it's a silly idea, but Cameron could be traded before June 1st. He can't be traded without his permission before that date, if he OKs it he can be traded before then.

 

[Sparky Lyle]

QUOTE (Sinistas @ Feb 12 2010, 07:49 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2810432
Walthamites aren't exactly exactly known for their Boston accents.




Well, I suppose so. You don't think Fred Smerlas has a Boston accent? He's from Waltham. Hey, what do I know, I'm from Worcester but live in Boston. I know a few people from Waltham who sound just as if they're from Charlestown. My friends from other states can not distinguish my Worcester accent from the Boston accent. There is a difference, as you know.

Now, back to the thread for us.

 

[Judge Mental13]

I don't know anybody from Waltham who does NOT have a thick accent, FWIW

 

[Scoots McBoots]

I grew up there, and most of my old friends don't have overbearing accents. Could just be me though - anyways, sorry for the thread derail.

 

[Dummy Hoy]

QUOTE (Phenom @ Feb 11 2010, 06:48 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2808972
So with that, they'll be more "big picture" oriented. You may disagree with their analysis of the "big picture," but that's what I think it will be.


Except that my complaint isn't that they're "big picture," they're no picture.

Agaiin, I have no problem with anyone disagreeing with the Red Sox organizational choice to go with 'pitching and defense' this season. I like it, but I am on the fence about how effective it will be in the AL East playing half of our games in Fenway. But to completely ignore it as a vaild team building strategy and come to the conclusion it has to be 'spin' simply because you don't agree with it? I'm sure it's frustrating to deal with Epstein and Co as a media member, but to be so closeminded an dismissive of something so uncomplicated is beyond me. I expect it from Mazz, not Felger.

I've put a ton of listening hours into non-EEI stations over the last few years, I don't think asking for rational thought is too much to get from a competitor. If Felger was with someone like Michael Holley or Sean McDonough or even Damon Amendalara (sp?), I would probably listen to every show via podcast.

 

[LMontro]

I took Gambler's post to mean that he hates when Mazz does his over-the-top Boston fan accent when he is mocking local sports fans, not Mazz's actual "real" accent

 

[dcmissle]

QUOTE (Dummy Hoy @ Feb 13 2010, 10:21 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2811112
Agaiin, I have no problem with anyone disagreeing with the Red Sox organizational choice to go with 'pitching and defense' this season. I like it, but I am on the fence about how effective it will be in the AL East playing half of our games in Fenway. But to completely ignore it as a vaild team building strategy and come to the conclusion it has to be 'spin' simply because you don't agree with it? I'm sure it's frustrating to deal with Epstein and Co as a media member, but to be so closeminded an dismissive of something so uncomplicated is beyond me. I expect it from Mazz, not Felger.

I've put a ton of listening hours into non-EEI stations over the last few years, I don't think asking for rational thought is too much to get from a competitor. If Felger was with someone like Michael Holley or Sean McDonough or even Damon Amendalara (sp?), I would probably listen to every show via podcast.


When it comes to the RS and Pats, all of their criticism (some of which is inspired and firmly grounded) must, ultimately must, advance the following narrative --

1. The owners are cheap;

2. The brain trust arrogant;

3. All of them lie ("spin").

That's the dictate from the producer to drive the ratings.

It's black/white thang -- 'EEI is Pravda; we are Radio Free Europe; the truth will set you free.

It's too bad cause they are smarter than this.

 

[Gambler7]

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I took Gambler's post to mean that he hates when Mazz does his over-the-top Boston fan accent when he is mocking local sports fans, not Mazz's actual "real" accent

Exactly. He does it at least once a show. It's brutal.

 

[Sparky Lyle]

QUOTE (LMontro @ Feb 13 2010, 10:55 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2811133
I took Gambler's post to mean that he hates when Mazz does his over-the-top Boston fan accent when he is mocking local sports fans, not Mazz's actual "real" accent



Ah, OK. I get it now so in that case I agree too.

 

[Dalton Jones]

Mazz has a great voice for print.

 

[Dummy Hoy]

QUOTE (dcmissle @ Feb 13 2010, 11:23 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2811145
When it comes to the RS and Pats, all of their criticism (some of which is inspired and firmly grounded) must, ultimately must, advance the following narrative --

1. The owners are cheap;

2. The brain trust arrogant;

3. All of them lie ("spin").


What's funny is that all of those points are valid, but there has to me more than that, otherwise they are no better than EEI. Which is what I am afraid of.

 

[mcpickl]

QUOTE (Dummy Hoy @ Feb 13 2010, 01:31 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2811230
What's funny is that all of those points are valid, but there has to me more than that, otherwise they are no better than EEI. Which is what I am afraid of.


You think it's a valid point that the Red Sox ownership is cheap?

They've outspent every team in salary but the pinstriped one since taking over while pouring money into the farm system and the stadium.

A real Plastic Man stretch to call this ownership cheap.

 

[Judge Mental13]

QUOTE (Dalton Jones @ Feb 13 2010, 11:27 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2811224
Mazz has a great voice for print.


I would've gone with a voice made for the silent pictures but this works too. I like the show but it's hard to have Felger's foil be a high-pitched guy like Mazz. What made M & MD so good was their contrasting deliveries and they way they used said deliveries to make their points. Felger does that very well, Mazz isn't bad at it per se but he's contrasting Felger's fiery delivery with a high-pitched know-it-all type can be tough to process sometimes.

 

[judyb]

QUOTE (mcpickl @ Feb 13 2010, 05:54 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2811432
You think it's a valid point that the Red Sox ownership is cheap?

They've outspent every team in salary but the pinstriped one since taking over while pouring money into the farm system and the stadium.

A real Plastic Man stretch to call this ownership cheap.

Yep, they spent more money on the thing they're spinning but don't really believe in than it would have cost them to do the other thing, and they did that because they're so arrogant, thinking they know better, except it's just spin, so they don't even really believe it, and they're cheap, so why would they spend so much money on something to spin?

 

[Phenom]

Here is Felger's basic point with the Red Sox:

With the money it cost them to acquire Mike Cameron, Adrian Beltre, Jeremy Hermida, and Bill Hall, they would have been better off just resigning Jason Bay.

That's his point with the Patriots too. With all the money they've spent trying to fill the number one cornerback spot, they would have been better off just resigning Asante Samuel.

Of course, with the Red Sox, Felger is ignoring that all of Cameron, Beltre, etc are signed to short-term deals, whereas Bay would've been signed to a 4 year deal, but still, the premise of the points are not unreasonable and definitely thought provoking.

The problem is, some of the "added/layered points" get a little whacky. Such as totally dismissing defense or suggesting the Patriots should draft Tim Tebow in the 2nd round.

I think for the most part, Mazz has been okay in this role. I am impressed with the way he's brushed up on sports outside of baseball, which I thought was going to be a problem.

But I would also like to see Felger paired with a different co-host. Massarotti lately has spent 90% of his time agreeing with Mike, and the other 10% of the time doing bad Boston accent impersonations (discussed earlier...not to revisit that).

I keep thinking a guy like Sean McAdam would have been a perfect foil for Felger. There is a big difference in delivery there, too.

 

[Dummy Hoy]

QUOTE (mcpickl @ Feb 13 2010, 05:54 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2811432
You think it's a valid point that the Red Sox ownership is cheap?

They've outspent every team in salary but the pinstriped one since taking over while pouring money into the farm system and the stadium.

A real Plastic Man stretch to call this ownership cheap.


I mean to say "could be argued as a valid point,' but clearly phrased that wrong. I don't think the Sox' FO is cheap, but they have shwon a willingness to draw the proverbial line in the sand, which has potentially cost the organization top players. Again, I don't agree with the POV, but I think one could see where the argument could be crafted.

 

[mcpickl]

QUOTE (Phenom @ Feb 14 2010, 09:15 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2811948
Here is Felger's basic point with the Red Sox:

With the money it cost them to acquire Mike Cameron, Adrian Beltre, Jeremy Hermida, and Bill Hall, they would have been better off just resigning Jason Bay.


Here's why I despise his point. It reads like this to me, for the money it cost them to sign a starting OF, a starting 3B, your 4th OF and your utility guy, you could have had a starting OF, and still have three other spots on the team to fill.

And him constantly throwing Bill Hall into the mix is ludicrous, since they are paying him just over a million dollars. Get over it Felger. That's what a bench guy is worth and it affects Jason Bay negotiations zero.

 

[teddykgb]

I only got to listen for a short while yesterday on my drive home, but there was another writer on, I can't even remember who, and he was refusing to give ground to Felger on all of his Red Sox "value" points. It was very compelling radio. Mazz is better than I thought, but it only solidified in my mind that what Felger needs is another strong minded but much more logical counterpart who can go at his points. I generally think it's an error to call m&md the gold standard for radio, but this is certainly something they had. Differing opinions and they weren't afraid to go after each other on them without just screaming at one another

 

[mikeford]

I believe yesterday's Mazz-fill-in was Dan Roche, teddy.

 

[teddykgb]

Yes, it was Roche. He wasn't perfect in his defense of the Sox, but he called Felger out on generalizing and kept emphasizing that they didn't re-sign Bay for some reason, and that he's really the only outlier, they're spending money and going after players like Lackey. He had the self assured Felger on his heels a few times, which is honestly pretty rare, although he never really could deliver a knockout blow. IT was nonetheless great to listen to, I hope he's on again today.

 

[CoolPapaBellhorn]

QUOTE (mcpickl @ Feb 13 2010, 05:54 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2811432
They've outspent every team in salary but the pinstriped one since taking over while pouring money into the farm system and the stadium.

I don't think they're cheap either, but they went into last season with the sixth highest payroll in MLB. By the end of the season they had passed the Mets and almost pulled even with the Phillies, but still trailed the Tigers and Cubs (and obviously the MFY).

This year they're back to blowing everyone else out of the water, as they're the only team other than the MFY that's anywhere near the luxury tax cap. They do have years when they don't spend as much as some people think they should, but this year isn't one of them.

EDIT: added link

 

[Spacemans Bong]

Loving today's show. You can do a lot worse on a fairly slowish news day than just play some radio calls and get people to reminisce. Sports radio would be a lot better off if it had more or this and less "We're bored, let's manufacture a controversy".

 

[mcpickl]

QUOTE (CoolPapaBellhorn @ Feb 17 2010, 10:58 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2815683
I don't think they're cheap either, but they went into last season with the sixth highest payroll in MLB. By the end of the season they had passed the Mets and almost pulled even with the Phillies, but still trailed the Tigers and Cubs (and obviously the MFY).

This year they're back to blowing everyone else out of the water, as they're the only team other than the MFY that's anywhere near the luxury tax cap. They do have years when they don't spend as much as some people think they should, but this year isn't one of them.

EDIT: added link


Don't care about what they spent in one particular season, they are #2 in total payroll spent since they took over.

They offered Teixeira the big money last year, and he turned it down for even more money from the sole team that can outspend them. What should they have done? Just spend big bucks on guys that weren't worth it just to get to #2 in payroll last year? That way they can prove to fans and Felger they aren't cheap!

Even intimating this ownership is cheap is ludicrous.

 

[Gambler7]

Anyone else listening just hear Felger drop a "fucking smoking" line while talking about Lindsey Vonn? Followed it up with a pause and then..."freakin smoking...that's what I said right?" I'm in the middle of a project and half-listening and it still stuck out to me.

Classic.

 

[Phenom]

Adam Jones is really stiff, huh? I don't think we'll hear many words out of him all day. It's like he speaks in slow motion.

 

[Salem's Lot]

QUOTE (Gambler7 @ Feb 18 2010, 02:08 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2817289
Anyone else listening just hear Felger drop a "fucking smoking" line while talking about Lindsey Vonn? Classic.


Well he does have a point.

 

[DieHardSoxFan1]

QUOTE (Phenom @ Feb 18 2010, 02:23 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2817338
Adam Jones is really stiff, huh? I don't think we'll hear many words out of him all day. It's like he speaks in slow motion.


Wait till he drops his baseball knowledge on the crowd.

 

[Phenom]

QUOTE (DieHardSoxFan1 @ Feb 18 2010, 02:38 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2817384
Wait till he drops his baseball knowledge on the crowd.


Haven't heard that yet, but he sounds like he's desperately trying to "fit in" with Felgie.

Felger was making fun of snowboarding and Jones comes out with, "it isn't athletic!" Once Felger jumped on him for that, you could almost feel his disappointment.

Between Adam Jones and GREEESSSHHHH 98.5 needs to work on their fill-ins...but then again, EEI's prime fill-in guy is Butch Stearns. So maybe bad fill-ins is a sports talk radio given.

 

[mikeford]

QUOTE (DieHardSoxFan1 @ Feb 18 2010, 02:38 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2817384
Wait till he drops his baseball knowledge on the crowd.

I'd be surprised if they even talk about baseball today.

 

[jk333]

Jones wasn't bad at all... I could see him fitting in... his voice is 10x better than Mazz's and 100x better than Glaspers. The athletic converstation was weird but semi interesting, better than Mazz and Felger bitching about the latest thing our local teams did.

 

[Phenom]

QUOTE (jk333 @ Feb 18 2010, 06:26 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2817941
Jones wasn't bad at all... I could see him fitting in... his voice is 10x better than Mazz's and 100x better than Glaspers. The athletic converstation was weird but semi interesting, better than Mazz and Felger bitching about the latest thing our local teams did.


I don't know, I thought he was pretty terrible. His voice is okay, but if we're just going by voices, then we would all think differently about Gary Tanguay.

 

[LoneWarrior1]

QUOTE (Phenom @ Feb 18 2010, 10:40 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2817769
Between Adam Jones and GREEESSSHHHH 98.5 needs to work on their fill-ins...but then again, EEI's prime fill-in guy is Butch Stearns. So maybe bad fill-ins is a sports talk radio given.


I thought their flash guy Bertrand did a nice job on the extended show on Monday. He's a knowledgeable guy with a good sense of humor. If you listen to the show regularly, you know he doesn't take any shit from Felger or Mazz.