Felger and Mazz - Creating False Naratives one day at a time

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QUOTE (HomeBrew1901 @ Jan 30 2010, 06:17 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2792762
Luckily they were talking mostly about basketball when I got out of work because EEI had Stearns (Big Chair), McAdam and Smerlas. Sorry Mr. McAdam but I can't listen to you when you are surrounded by two of the biggest morons on radio today.




It stuns me that 'EEI still does that. That they continue to throw Stearns, Smerlas, Larry Johnson, and Steve Burton at the listeners is mind boggling. Oh, yah, I forgot Craig Mustard.
 

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QUOTE (Sparky Lyle @ Jan 30 2010, 12:31 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2792977
It stuns me that 'EEI still does that. That they continue to throw Stearns, Smerlas, Larry Johnson, and Steve Burton at the listeners is mind boggling. Oh, yah, I forgot Craig Mustard.


You know whats mind boggling? THIS "show":




Honestly, is there a single human on the planet that would watch this show? They bombard me with commercials pimping this disaster during C's games and I can't get that question out of my mind.......who the fuck would watch this show and why??
 

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QUOTE (HomeBrew1901 @ Jan 30 2010, 06:17 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2792762
Luckily they were talking mostly about basketball when I got out of work because EEI had Stearns (Big Chair), McAdam and Smerlas. Sorry Mr. McAdam but I can't listen to you when you are surrounded by two of the biggest morons on radio today.


Ironically, Smerlas spent some time pimping Tebow as well.
 

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They were referencing it at the end of the show, but here's a link to the piece on them on Boston.com: http://multimedia.boston.com/m/28708859/th...sports-talk.htm.

It's a very short video clip...kind of makes Mazz come off poorly as he says multiple times, "this sports talk thing is really a grind, it's a job like everything else."

But it offers some insight to the show, such as the clip where Felger is preparing and says, "this will really rile them up, the idea of rooting for the Jets."

And again, I can't wait for these two on "radio row" next week. I think it'll be very fun to listen to.
 

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QUOTE (dcmissle @ Jan 30 2010, 01:21 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2793020
Ironically, Smerlas spent some time pimping Tebow as well.

I don't have a problem with touting Tebow as a possibility for New England, but one of the things that can drive me nuts about Felger is when he gets himself all fired up to the point where he refuses to listen to any other arguments and keeps repeating the same insane BS about one point.

I will take Felger's passion over Ordway's flip flopping but it can get to a point where I have to change the station because I can't deal with him anymore.

Plus I like that he will admit when he is wrong and he comes off as sincere when he is making a point that he believes in. When he criticizes the Sox and Patriots it is different than when Borges and CHB do it because those two come off like scorned lovers that are being critical out of spite.
 

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I don't listen to a radio show based on how right the host is all the time. I don't mind a host that throws out ideas that sound outlandish and challenge the conventional wisdom, as long he's put in some time thinking about them, and can back them up with some logic. A host that's often wrong, but in an interesting or funny way is ten times better than a host who's right but boring or loud.
 

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F&M willing to call out the Celtics in a big way today. Big O just making "wait 'till June" excuses. Huge edge to F&M this afternoon.
 

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QUOTE (Oogies Loogies @ Feb 1 2010, 08:54 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2795571
Any comment from Felger about the Randy Moss news today?


On CSN tonight Gresh asked Felger about this and he said he thought it was 'bull crap'. To paraphrase: Randy needed an excuse to get out of the pro-bowl, how could a receiver with this injury play so well against the Titans the next week, sure it probably bothered him from time to time, but in no way does this change his opinion of Moss and his effort.

This makes sense though, tomorrow's F&M show should get infinitely higher ratings with him sticking with his Moss bashing, than saying "I was wrong" when you know Glen & crew will be in rebuild Randy's name mode.
 

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QUOTE (Swingandadrive @ Feb 2 2010, 02:16 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2796413
Awesome. Sounds like it's going to be 4 hours of Felger ranting about Moss's "bullcrap" injury.


I turned it off after 5 minutes when it sounded like it was going to be four hours of how the Colts have "passed the Patriots, and we told you and you fans wouldn't believe us!" I'll turn it back on for Cam Neely at 4:20.
 

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QUOTE (Smiling Joe Hesketh @ Feb 2 2010, 02:36 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2796449
So he's essentially calling Mike Reiss a liar. I know who's side I'm taking on that issue.


Felger will never get over the fact that Moss whiped his ass on the goalpost at Lambaugh. He is usually fair in that he gives credit when it's deserved and rips people that deserve to be ripped. However, he has lost all credibility when it comes to Randy Moss. He sounds like a bitter Packers' fanboy.
 

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QUOTE (Smiling Joe Hesketh @ Feb 2 2010, 02:36 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2796449
So he's essentially calling Mike Reiss a liar. I know who's side I'm taking on that issue.


He's either calling Reiss a liar or the sources that gave him the story a liar.

His basic argument is that it's a made up injury to get Moss out of the pro-bowl because you have to have a legit reason not to play. He also said that if this injury occured against Denver then why did he play his best stretch of football immediately afterward.

He said if you believe the story then you are a binky sucking feetie pajama wearing patriot sucker or something close to that.
 

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His basic argument is that it's a made up injury to get Moss out of the pro-bowl because you have to have a legit reason not to play. He also said that if this injury occured against Denver then why did he play his best stretch of football immediately afterward.

He said if you believe the story then you are a binky sucking feetie pajama wearing patriot sucker or something close to that.

I hate when Felger spouts BS just because. He does the same thing with the Salary Cap. I like him overall, but this is a major negative with him. They showed the actual play on one of the news stations last night where Reiss said it happened. It is clear as day Moss gets piled on by 3 guys, he gets up slowly, his arm almost just dangling at his side, and he slowly jogs off the field waving his hand for them to bring someone else in. Who knows the severity, or how it effected which way he could stretch his arms, etc, but clearly something happened, it is not "made-up".
 

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Felger calling anyone else names implying lack of manhood makes my irony meter burst into flames.

Gambler, all Felger's doing is turning up the volume in response to evidence that he's been full of shit all season on Moss. He's essentially trolling for listeners.
 

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Don't confuse Felger with the facts -- and while we're at it, don't confuse him with certain ugly facts that unfolded during the Senior Bowl with respect to a certain QB prospect.

I'd hoped and thought we'd get serious stuff from him, as he had covered the Pats for close to a decade. My hopes were misplaced and my thoughts misguided.

This is entertainment. Period. Or else Felger has sustained traumatic brain injury.
 

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QUOTE (Mystic Merlin @ Feb 2 2010, 02:19 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2796550
Hey guys, Felger admits when he's wrong.

At least some of the time...


Seriously. People say they like this show because it's better than the Big Show, but that still doesn't make it any good. The Big Show members are complete fan boys when it comes to the local teams, but Felger and Mazz are the polar opposite. Neither side is rational and neither side lets facts get in the way when they want to make an argument. They're both extremely frustrating to listen to and I feel like the people who enjoy Felger and Mazz simply like bashing athletes and front office executives who they view as lazy and incompent even if that's not the case at all.
 

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Felger can't be serious with this Tebow stuff, can he? He really thinks the Pats should use a 2nd round pick to draft Tebow as the back up QB?

Bizarre show in that in a matter of 2 minutes we saw extreme polar opposite sides of Felger. The hate he has for Moss and the Tebow mancrush.

"He's special. The intangibles he brings. He's a football player." :barf:
 

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The thing that drives me insane about his argument as that he claims that Tebow would be a leader and a locker room presence.

Two things I know about football players:

1. Leaders aren't guys that don't have positions or can't play very well. Essentially you can't lead while sitting on the bench.
2. He's a rookie. How much presence can you bring to the team as a first-year player? Eventually he won't be a rookie, so see number one.

I can't understand Felger's rationale at all.
 

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QUOTE (John Marzano Olympic Hero @ Feb 2 2010, 04:32 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2796680
The thing that drives me insane about his argument as that he claims that Tebow would be a leader and a locker room presence.

Two things I know about football players:

1. Leaders aren't guys that don't have positions or can't play very well. Essentially you can't lead while sitting on the bench.



This is indisputable. If you are on the roster but cannot play, you cannot lead.

Further, note the disconnect between this:

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I turned it off after 5 minutes when it sounded like it was going to be four hours of how the Colts have "passed the Patriots, and we told you and you fans wouldn't believe us!"


and the Tebow pimping.

If the Colts have passed the Patriots (and I would agree) that's in part because the Patriots have blown some high round picks. You don't remedy the situation by blowing more high round picks.

Some pretty cynical crap going on here.
 

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MUFFAY just hung up on Felger :rolling:

The show today has been kind of maddening (I can't believe they're still talking about Tebow) but that was a funny 5 minute "interview" with Tanguay.
 

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I turned it off when they said they had "too much football to talk" and pushed Cam Neely to next week.

Uh, football season is basically over. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say they probably didnt talk about the Superbowl too much today... right?
 

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I listened to about 2 minutes of the show yesterday. They had just read a report that Pierce had a broken foot. Felger say they had Ainge on earlier but didn't ask him about Pierce. Felger said he thought Pierce hurt himself in the 4th quarter but wasn't sure if he returned to the game. He asked Mazz who also wasn't sure and rambled on about how he just hooked up his sling box.


Seriously, the show is at 2:00 in the afternoon not 2 in the morning. You can't do a little pre-show prep? How long would it take to get a little summary of the game knowing Ainge was coming on? I guess they felt that looking up the score was enough "research".

These guys just aren't informed or talented enough to cover anything that takes them off script.
 
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Seriously, the show is at 2:00 in the afternoon not 2 in the morning. You can't do a little pre-show prep? How long would it take to get a little summary of the game knowing Ainge was coming on? I guess they felt that looking up the score was enough "research".

These guys just aren't informed or talented enough to cover anything that takes them off script.


http://audio.weei.com/m/21833651/tom-verducci-si-com.htm

Verducci to Felger, "If you're bringing me on the show and you haven't read the book, that's not professional."
Felger, "I don't know about that."

Meter jumps in and asks a question to which Felger interupts with this smart ass remark, "Did you read the book Meter, 'cause if you didn't you shouldn't be asking a question."

Funny stuff. Felger clearly didn't prep as well as Dennis or Meter, but it didn't slow him down from cutting into Verducci during the interview. He showed his ignorance while at the same time making the interview interesting and brought up a good point. This shows why I love and hate Felger at the same time.
 

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QUOTE (RedOctober3829 @ Feb 4 2010, 04:36 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2799316
Adalius Thomas on the show now.

"Gotta look out for me. If no one is looking out for you then who is goin' to look out for you?"


Priceless. He sounds pretty defensive, basically Bill doesn't play the game so he has no business telling him how to play.
 

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QUOTE (Guapos Toenails @ Feb 4 2010, 06:08 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2799409
Today's show was amazing. This was like early 90's Mike and the Mad Dog in terms of quality of guests and revelations made. Solid, solid sports radio.


Absolutely. They "made news" with the Thomas interview, with the revelation that something happened in a meeting after week 1 and now there seems to be little doubt at how severed Thomas' and Belichick's relationship is and how unlikely it is that Adalius will return this year.

But I loved the Marshall Faulk interview.

"Are you over Super Bowl 36 yet?"
"What is there to be and not be over?" :rolling:
 

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QUOTE (Phenom @ Feb 4 2010, 06:29 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2799427
Absolutely. They "made news" with the Thomas interview, with the revelation that something happened in a meeting after week 1 and now there seems to be little doubt at how severed Thomas' and Belichick's relationship is and how unlikely it is that Adalius will return this year.

But I loved the Marshall Faulk interview.

"Are you over Super Bowl 36 yet?"
"What is there to be and not be over?" :rolling:


I really could have done without Felgy's tone of "We know the Pats probably videotaped you, what do you think about that?" angle. Faulk very obviously believes the Pats did that based on one erroneous report by that Hack Tomase, Felger seemed to really act as though it was a proven fact.
 

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The more disturbing thing about that story is Faulk not only actually believes that it's true despite all the evidence to the contrary but that it was the reason they lost.
 

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QUOTE (Mystic Merlin @ Feb 4 2010, 08:09 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2799629
The more disturbing thing about that story is Faulk not only actually believes that it's true despite all the evidence to the contrary but that it was the reason they lost.



A deeply irresponsible attitude from Felger or any sports voice who wants to be more than a media "personality" (i.e., a talking dolphin), and one that is offensive to me as someone who studies history for a living. No, I don't mean to blow it out of proportion here--in the end, it's just sports talk--but even according to its own yardstick of judgement, it's an inchling.

Much of the show today *was* intriguing, but here is where Phenom and I part company: he has noted, rightly I think, how Felger seems to be a real "fan" of hockey, and by extension (I guess since he is in Boston) the Bruins, with all of the good and bad qualities associated with that fandom. And I fully agree that this makes him fun to listen to on the Bruins. It is the *lack* of those same qualities that turn me off from his and Mazz's Pats talk, since it is clear that neither of them are fans of NE *at all* (and Mazz doesn't really seem to understand the sport). My ideal would be to have someone like Joe Benigno on the air here--someone who rips the team when they break his heart, but beams when they give him reason to rejoice. Felger is quite the opposite--he gives props only to support his attack somewhere else. Even the 59–0 sand-kicking-in-face of the pre-VY Titans only served to highlight exactly "what was lacking in the team this year."

That being said, Rocco and others are right, that their chemistry is excellent. I just wish I enjoyed their football talk, even a little.
 

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QUOTE (kolbitr @ Feb 4 2010, 08:36 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2799697
A deeply irresponsible attitude from Felger or any sports voice who wants to be more than a media "personality" (i.e., a talking dolphin), and one that is offensive to me as someone who studies history for a living. No, I don't mean to blow it out of proportion here--in the end, it's just sports talk--but even according to its own yardstick of judgement, it's an inchling.

Much of the show today *was* intriguing, but here is where Phenom and I part company: he has noted, rightly I think, how Felger seems to be a real "fan" of hockey, and by extension (I guess since he is in Boston) the Bruins, with all of the good and bad qualities associated with that fandom. And I fully agree that this makes him fun to listen to on the Bruins. It is the *lack* of those same qualities that turn me off from his and Mazz's Pats talk, since it is clear that neither of them are fans of NE *at all* (and Mazz doesn't really seem to understand the sport). My ideal would be to have someone like Joe Benigno on the air here--someone who rips the team when they break his heart, but beams when they give him reason to rejoice. Felger is quite the opposite--he gives props only to support his attack somewhere else. Even the 59–0 sand-kicking-in-face of the pre-VY Titans only served to highlight exactly "what was lacking in the team this year."

That being said, Rocco and others are right, that their chemistry is excellent. I just wish I enjoyed their football talk, even a little.


That's a really good post, and raises a lot of good points about the show.

A lot of Felger can be explained in that short clip on the show that boston.com ran last week. They showed Felger before a show saying, "this will really rile them up...the idea that the Jets are better than the Patriots."

Felger likes to stir the pot and to "rile the masses." He especially loves to do it with the Patriots, because out of all of the Boston sports teams, fans are the least critical when it comes to the Pats. For some reason, that seems to be the truth.

I happen to agree with a lot of his larger points with the Pats. I think some of the obsessions he has (Randy Moss says hello) are excessive, but usually it produces some stimulating ideas and causes me to think. For example, a few weeks ago when they compared Tom Brady's numbers to other QB's in the league to show how the league has changed (very good quarterbacks aren't as hard to come by) was interesting.

So I don't really have a problem with their critical nature with the Patriots. I just think with the Patriots, it's that Felger loves to stir the pot and finds it easiest to do that with the Pats.

And today's Adalius Thomas interview was great. They asked tough questions, weren't afraid to push the issue, and got the revelation that Thomas was called out after week 1 and from there it really was a downward spiral.
 

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QUOTE (Phenom @ Feb 4 2010, 08:52 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2799725
That's a really good post, and raises a lot of good points about the show.

A lot of Felger can be explained in that short clip on the show that boston.com ran last week. They showed Felger before a show saying, "this will really rile them up...the idea that the Jets are better than the Patriots."

Felger likes to stir the pot and to "rile the masses." He especially loves to do it with the Patriots, because out of all of the Boston sports teams, fans are the least critical when it comes to the Pats. For some reason, that seems to be the truth.

I happen to agree with a lot of his larger points with the Pats. I think some of the obsessions he has (Randy Moss says hello) are excessive, but usually it produces some stimulating ideas and causes me to think. For example, a few weeks ago when they compared Tom Brady's numbers to other QB's in the league to show how the league has changed (very good quarterbacks aren't as hard to come by) was interesting.

So I don't really have a problem with their critical nature with the Patriots. I just think with the Patriots, it's that Felger loves to stir the pot and finds it easiest to do that with the Pats.

And today's Adalius Thomas interview was great. They asked tough questions, weren't afraid to push the issue, and got the revelation that Thomas was called out after week 1 and from there it really was a downward spiral.


Just one short point, since I'd rather others comment...

Concerning the bolded portion, I think that's very very true...but not surprising. The team has the shallowest roots of any of the major four teams, and I say this as a lifelong Pats fan, who remembers every moment of the glorious 1985 post-season. Moreover, the team has a SB-winning and sure-fire HOF coach AND QB, in a sport where these two figures have a greater importance than any duo in any sport...Wherever else this has been true, fans were also notoriously "forgiving", or loving, if your prefer. The pairings are few: Noll and Bradshaw, Shula and Marino, Walsh and Montana...in such cases, many fans hope and pray that they can do it again, and will give them plenty of time to "right the ship..."

Not to say, of course, that there aren't many Pats fans that don't criticize...it would be a bit short-sighted to ignore that...
 

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Felger is the man. He just got Mike Pereira to admit that the NFL Competition Committee more than likely changed the rules to screw the Pats. I know this is something fans have long held to be true, but for the head of NFL officiating to say it is pretty awesome (or sad).
 

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Felger is the man. He just got Mike Pereira to admit that the NFL Competition Committee more than likely changed the rules to screw the Pats. I know this is something fans have long held to be true, but for the head of NFL officiating to say it is pretty awesome (or sad).


I want to find a clip of that and play it for every Pats hating friend I have if that's true.
 

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QUOTE (Mr Jums @ Feb 5 2010, 04:55 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2800972
What exactly did Pereira say?


Felger kept needling Pereira about the specific members of the committee and what their individual/collective agendas might have been for wanting to change the PI/holding rules. Pereira didn't flat out state "Yeah, they were out to get the Patriots", as Felger was saying, but you could tell that he agreed with the sentiment. Can't remember his exact response, though he was trying to be diplomatic.
 

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Boy, does Mazz sound like a "grizzled member of the media" or what? He must be the most boring guy to watch a game with.

I don't like unabashed homerism, but it's okay to have a little fun.

I mean, do you guys really think he had no emotional reaction to Manning blowing it on Sunday?
 

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QUOTE (Phenom @ Feb 9 2010, 02:55 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2805789
Boy, does Mazz sound like a "grizzled member of the media" or what? He must be the most boring guy to watch a game with.

I don't like unabashed homerism, but it's okay to have a little fun.

I mean, do you guys really think he had no emotional reaction to Manning blowing it on Sunday?



Agreed, Mazz just needs to get over it. Most fans think in terms of their team's best interest. And that means watching their biggest rivals fail against other teams, especially underdogs like the Saints.
 

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It's probably not that so much as he and Felger banking on Manning's coronation for a few days of material, e.g.,

1. Brady's lost his edge (insert > needs to be "goosed" by Tebow)

2. Colts were *really* the team of the decade ("that will get the audience riled up")

and so on.
 

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QUOTE (dcmissle @ Feb 9 2010, 05:37 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2806049
It's probably not that so much as he and Felger banking on Manning's coronation for a few days of material, e.g.,

1. Brady's lost his edge (insert > needs to be "goosed" by Tebow)

2. Colts were *really* the team of the decade ("that will get the audience riled up")

and so on.


Well they did spend a half hour positively shitting on Manning's post season resume while blowing Tom Brady's.

dcmissle, methinks this show isn't for you............you might want to move on.
 

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QUOTE (Rocco Graziosa @ Feb 9 2010, 04:58 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2806076
Well they did spend a half hour positively shitting on Manning's post season resume while blowing Tom Brady's.

dcmissle, methinks this show isn't for you............you might want to move on.


I thought this sub forum was for discussing the media, both criticisms and praise. If this thread simply consisted of people saying how awesome the show was it would get boring pretty fast.
 

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QUOTE (Rocco Graziosa @ Feb 9 2010, 05:58 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2806076
Well they did spend a half hour positively shitting on Manning's post season resume while blowing Tom Brady's.

dcmissle, methinks this show isn't for you............you might want to move on.


to the contrary, there is a semblance for hope for these guys, Patriots-wise, unlike their Baghdad Bob competitors down the dial ...

Felger, at least, has put a few good ideas on the table, and now just needs to get serious and develop them