Celtics Draft Pick Watch 2016
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I understand your thinking, and I know that it is a different player, but I would consider Andrew Wiggins a top 30 player right now and he was seen as an excellent prospect that needed to develop his actual basketball skills. Considering Embiid was rated higher than Wiggins and played a position where you can have a greater impact through sheer physical ability, I don't think it is unreasonable. It's all hypothetical anyway, I just felt that Cellar-Door might have forgot just how good of a prospect Embiid was pre-injury.
To each his own on trust these stats, but Wiggins rates as the 395th best player by VORP/BPM so far this year. Maybe that's wildly off, but I've actually watched every Timberwolves game so far this year other than last night, and it looks basically correct to me. He's basically always out of position defensively, and is shooting about as effectively as Kobe was last year. I would be pretty surprised if he were an above average player.
They were similarly rated, but that isn't the issue. The issue is that some high level prospects develop and some don't, that Wiggins took off faster than expected doesn't mean Embiid would. And if Embiid had been 2 years older at the time of the draft he probably doesn't go as high.
Even then this is all a ridiculous hypothetical. It doesn't matter what kind of prospect he was 2 years ago. He's 2 years older without any development, has 2 fewer affordable years and is a big man with foot/leg injury issues.
His best comparison is 3rd year Greg Oden (except Oden was a better prospect and showed more before his injuries).
Also Wiggins is really promising, but he isn't close to top 30 in terms of current value, he may be top 30 when considering his contract and team control.
Let's talk about the non-Nets picks; is there any realistic "bundling" trade? The only teams that I can think of that will be hurting for draft selections are the Nets (obviously) and Lakers. But they don't really have anything the Celtics will want, unless the Lakers give up on Russell after one season.
Houston is the new worst team in the league.
Call it even since I expected them to have at least beaten the Lakers already.
Call it even since I expected them to have at least beaten the Lakers already.
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I love this thread. We needed to pick a Celtics reg season game to attend so why not next Fri when we host the Nets? A true must-win game.
Boogie drops 40 on Brook and company. Kings pull away in the 2nd half before trying to blow it in the end in a variety of ways, but all-world in-bound defender Willie Cauley Stein prevents the Nets' last chance for a final shot.
Nets move to 1-8 and play @Golden State tomorrow night.
Nets move to 1-8 and play @Golden State tomorrow night.
Damn. It sucks that the lottery is tomorrow. Too bad they don't wait until the end of the season.
Wait wait wait are you telling me that wasn't Adam Silver watching the game with me at my local bar? I'm so gullible.
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You're missing the point of the thread. It's a day to day follow of where we stand as far as the lottery shapes up.
Nets remain in the pole position for the #1 lottery spot based on my in-season projections, mostly because Houston has played so terribly this year that that doesn't grade as a very impressive win. At this point in the season over the last 10 years, the in-season projections have over a 0.5 R^2 with the season ending standings.
It's interesting how deep the East looks under your projections, and it matches my impressions so far. Only Brooklyn and Philadelphia are objectively terrible. You could make a reasonable case for anyone else in the east being a + .500 playoff team. May make if difficult for the Celtics to get the postseason, but also strongly indicates that that Brooklyn pick will be top 3 - which is a net positive, I think.
I suppose the beauty of a message board format is that now that you know this is a daily lottery tracking thread you can choose not to participate.
Minnesota has now lost 3 straight. Need them to start winning again. The Nets pick will be top 5, our pick will land where it lands somewhere in the 10-15 range, and Dallas' pick will fall in the 15-20 range. The only real worry I have is Minnesota staying out of the top 12. They have the talent to do so but will be up and down due to their youth.
Oh jesus, settle down, it was a joke. Apologies for not thinking that "Draft Pick Watch" entailed an hourly update on possible lottery percentages six months from now.
I was only defensive because it is the results of these other teams, particularly the Nets, that will affect the future of our franchise far more than the results of Celtics games this year.
Boston winning 34 or 39 games means little......Brooklyn finishing with the 2nd worst or 7th worst record means a ton!
I get that. I just literally didn't think it was for like daily updates when I clicked on the thread, which was why I busted smas' balls. It just seemed kind of crazy, so far away and even then there's still the ping pong balls. Didn't mean to offend anyone, just being a wise ass. Carry on, I'll act accordingly
Heh no worries. If there was a ban on wise asses I'd have been gone a long time ago.
Nice to see the other LA team grab a win against a mediocre Detroit squad (Kobe with 17 points on 19 shots, extending his FGM records). MN in 7th (keeping their pick), but still just 1 game back of Denver/Utah for 13th (the Celtics dream scenario).
Who do I root for tonight oh great and powerful Tankathon? Do I route for Philly to get off the Schneid or do I need the Mavericks to pile up as many wins as possible before they realize they need to tank it out? Help me mighty one!!
Sixers all the way. Hard to see Dallas actively tanking, especially after a decent start.
This is a really big week. Nets have a b2b vs. ATL tonight and @ CHA tomorrow, while the next three C's games count double: host Dallas tomorrow then an all-important home and home Friday and Sunday with Brooklyn. Need to win both Brooklyn games, if only for the headlines.
This is really the kind of post this thread was made for. So nice to be cheering for the Celtics to WIN games to get more ping pong balls.
Biggest threat to this pick is teams playing down to the Nets. Warriors did it, and the Hawks are doing it tonight. Careless with the ball, settling for jumpers when you can easily score inside against this team with an extra pass or two.
Well, I know one guy I don't regret Ainge passing on...Dennis Schroder is hot garbage.
Hawks throw it away, literally and figuratively. A sweep this weekend becomes all the more important.
Hawks throw it away, literally and figuratively. A sweep this weekend becomes all the more important.
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Yeah, it's been a tough week for Celtics picks. Although if Philly goes 0-82 there's not much you can do anyway.
Bizarre that Turner is criticizing last years draft which has the potential to go down with LeBron's class as one of the best of All-Time. Maybe that was a dig at Rozier.
I agree. I think most people would say "this year's draft" if talking about the Towns draft, and also, Embiid turned out to be a shit sandwich.
Monday afternoon tankathon report:
http://www.tankathon.com/
Boston's picks:
3 (down 1),
13 (up 5),
25 (down 5),
31,
37,
44 (down 3),
56 (down 1),
58 (up 1)
http://www.tankathon.com/
Boston's picks:
3 (down 1),
13 (up 5),
25 (down 5),
31,
37,
44 (down 3),
56 (down 1),
58 (up 1)
Big game tonight,
PHI v. MIN.
Probably have to root for Minny, I don't think there's any way PHI wins enough after this to catch the Nets.
PHI v. MIN.
Probably have to root for Minny, I don't think there's any way PHI wins enough after this to catch the Nets.
Sixers will go 0-82 and get the 2nd pick with a centre as the best player available and the LAkers keep their pick (and number 1 just for kicks)
Book it. (Well maybe not the 0-82)
Book it. (Well maybe not the 0-82)
Not a bad couple days (well except for the two bad losses) on the pick front.
Wins for Minny turns the 2nds to 1st.
Nets stay 3rd.
Dallas slides.
As of today we would have:
3, 14, 15, 20, 31, 49, 56, 58
Wins for Minny turns the 2nds to 1st.
Nets stay 3rd.
Dallas slides.
As of today we would have:
3, 14, 15, 20, 31, 49, 56, 58