2023-2024 General NBA Season Thread

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RorschachsMask said:
Aaron Nesmith is currently the league leader in three point percentage. At 47.5%, on over 4 attempts per game.
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That's great, happy for him.

He just turned 24, has put in the work & built his body up to where he can guard Bron/Giannis.
Also Nesmith lives in the CornerOffice (45% attempts from there) and is hitting them at a 55% rate. That's valuable with Hali running the point.

BIG Credit to Indiana on making that trade which was a Win/Win for Boston and them.

Trading a useful vet (Brogdon) for a First & a young player who needed NBA minutes should be in EVERY rebuilder's playbook.
Somehow Indiana survived a season of playing young players who are held accountable by an HC.

Portland should get the memo and move Brogdon (it's too late to move TL now)
 
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I'm now wondering if someone rests their starters vs Detroit, maybe on the second night of a b2b, to avoid the possibility of losing to them for real. If not, it feels like the Pistons will get play-in game effort from everyone until they win again.
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Certainly hoping the Raptors are looking ahead to their game in Detroit tomorrow night, with a view towards having enough in the tank for it, and as a result, make some business decisions with minutes tonight in Boston. Let's hope you've spotted a trend.
 
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Certainly hoping the Raptors are looking ahead to their game in Detroit tomorrow night, with a view towards having enough in the tank for it, and as a result, make some business decisions with minutes tonight in Boston. Let's hope you've spotted a trend.
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Thought before the game this could really go hard either way.

While it's ongoing... no comment.
 
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Rockets final possession was ugly with a capital U. Landale had Jeff Green wide open in the corner but spazzed out and tried to take it to the rim himself.
 
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Thunder blow out the champs in Denver, 119-93, to reclaim the second seed in the West. Nuggets sure are missing Gordon.
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One more player for OKC and the league is in trouble.

Championship opportunities don't come along often, and you have to go for it whenever you have a shot, even if you're "ahead of schedule." Just ask the Tatum Celtics...
 
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One more player for OKC and the league is in trouble.

Championship opportunities don't come along often, and you have to go for it whenever you have a shot, even if you're "ahead of schedule." Just ask the Tatum Celtics...
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Given all their future picks, you’d figure they’d be all over the next disgruntled star, especially with Williams and Chet on their rookie deals. Not really sure who really qualifies outside of LaVine though.
 
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Given all their future picks, you’d figure they’d be all over the next disgruntled star, especially with Williams and Chet on their rookie deals. Not really sure who really qualifies outside of LaVine though.
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And "scoring guard" is the one thing they don't need.

Someone always comes free, so we'll see who it is.

I still think a Jaylen-to-OKC deal is high up there in mutual benefit, if a guy comes free in 1-2 years who wants to play in Boston but not OKC. You route OKC's picks to that guy's team, and call it a day.
 
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Looking at OKC's starters, the one I'd most want to upgrade is Josh Giddey at the 2, second choice Lu Dort at the 3:

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Short-term I don't see why they wouldn't flip a pick to Toronto for the expiring contract of OG Anunoby or Scottie Barnes (and if Anunoby, then try like hell to extend him - a defense-first swingman is exactly what they need). Long-term, Jaylen Brown makes sense for them, sure, but I could also see them attracting DeRozan (expiring but extendable if you think he'll hold up; he's 34 now). Or maybe Brandon Ingram wants out of New Orleans because he thinks they're going nowhere fast. Or, if the Clippers decide they can't afford to extend everybody, they might be willing to part with Norman Powell (if it's mutual).
 
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I'd be curious what Giddeys trade value is right now given all the stuff swirling about him off the court. the statutory rape etc
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Sadly, it probably puts him on hold if they ever wanted to move him which I don't know why they would he's such a good fit next to a high scoring guard similar to how Chet is. OKC is in such a unique spot that they don't have to do a think but grow together....we've never seen a team with its entire Top-7 this good while all 25 and under in the history of the league! Chet, Giddey and Wallace all just turned 21....this shit is unheard of

If they were in LA, Chicago or another big city they could simply wait out for an Embiid, Giannis, Jokic-type to force their way to their destination while having Giddey as a centerpiece along with the load of picks. The star that they would want to go along with SGA isn't going upstairs with a one list of OKC in his hand especially a veteran to play with guys so much younger. It's working out so well with this group I don't know who you really add until max contracts force you to do something or other dynamics change.
 
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What a weird trade. Seems like a decent haul for Anunoby. I guess he is better than Barrett, but not sure if he is more valuable than Barrett + Quickley + picks.
 
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Seems like fair value for an expiring contract. I just don't like it for NYK since they weren't an Anunoby away from being a contender in the East. Milwaukee should've been the team to value him highest, imo. I guess they just don't have the assets.
 
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Why would the Knicks do this? Figured they could have gotten better. Weird.

Let’s go live to Stephen A!
 
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Quickley is averaging 15 ppg and shooting nearly 40% from three. Barrett isn't a good three point shooter so he isn't an efficient scorer, but he can also create off the dribble, pass and get to the free throw line. Anunoby is very much a three and d player, a good one, but is more limited on offense. For a playoff team, it seems strange to swap out two guys that could play big minutes in a playoff series for one player, if that one player isn't a star and I don't think Anunoby is.
 
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Shams says it's one second-rounder.
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This makes a lot more sense. If the Knicks are low on Barrett, it becomes Quickley for OG, which does make some sense. Quickley is really good, but the Knicks need a big wing who can shoot, and it's really hard to play Quickley and Brunson together.

The Knicks probably would rather have a sub-$10M PP type at the backup PG spot, given that you need size to play next to Brunson.
 
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I've been expecting NY to trade Barrett for Anunoby for literally years now, Barrett is from TOR and always seems to play well there. I don't like that they had to give up Quickley too but they pretty clearly didn't want to pay him big money with Brunson already there (and possibly they know they will get Donovan Mitchell when he hits FA in a couple of years?).
 
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Knicks get best player and trade risk of signing Quickley for that of Anunoby—-who, being better, may actually be easier to slot in. And is positionally a better fit around Brunson

Suspect some coverage will say Knicks paid a lot depending on picks…but I like this for them. Barrett, to me, is well below Anunoby in value and they get bigger defensively. Plus Achiewa is useful

interesting for Toronto—some upside in Quickly and the picks, and I guess lock in a solid player in Barrett, but not 100% sure what they are doing big picture. Still beats letting OG walk though for sure
 
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Also this will give Deuce McBride a chance to take Quickley's spot, he has shown a lot of promise at time but couldn't crack the rotation before.
 
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I don’t mind this for NY if they re-sign OG. They needed wing defense and he’s really good there.
 
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nattysez said:
I think this is likely to be the basis of an initially negative reaction to this deal by a lot of Knicks fans.
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You are underestimating how much Knicks fans hate and are sick of Barrett, plus the writing has been on the wall for Quickley since they couldn't agree to an extension over the summer.
 
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As a C’s fan, my first reaction is that this is good news. Maybe it’s the small sample size or partially my own imagination, but Quickley has been a menace against Boston and I’m glad to see him and RJB’s length go to a worse team. I guess I’m struggling to see how this makes NY better this year, though that may not have been the primary goal.
 
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Anunoby could be the third guy on a contender—think Aaron Gordon. And he is flexible enough it gives Knicks more options on any other asset they add in future

To me, Barrett is a 5th or worse guy on a really good team (he’d be 7th guy on Celtics, though they are unique).

Quickley is more of a wildcard and could make this look bad- though more likely he’s a third guard on a good team given iffy defense and size and ok passing skill. He’s also a risk to be overpaid based on pointz unless he takes another step or more up.

interesting deal both ways. Imagine Knicks believe they can sign OG obviously….that’s the other possible risk here
 
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There have been rumors about NY trading for Dejounte Murray, that makes more sense after this trade than it did before. NY held onto most of their draft capital.
 
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There have been rumors about NY trading for Dejounte Murray, that makes more sense after this trade than it did before. NY held onto most of their draft capital.
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Ah, if the plan is to go for Dejounte, this all starts to fit together more.
 
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Roster-wise, with Brunson as your best player, it’s a big thing to get Anunoby as another plus guy…lets you at least consider Mitchell/Murray sized guys which was pretty tough with Quickley there and so-so defensive Barrett too.
 
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Roster-wise, with Brunson as your best player, it’s a big thing to get Anunoby as another plus guy…lets you at least consider Mitchell/Murray sized guys which was pretty tough with Quickley there and so-so defensive Barrett too.
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Yes, exactly this.
 
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This seems like an absolute heist by the Knicks, especially in light of what Toronto had supposedly wanted for Anonuby in the past. He’s a much cleaner fit next to Brunson than Barrett.
 
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This seems like an absolute heist by the Knicks, especially in light of what Toronto had supposedly wanted for Anonuby in the past. He’s a much cleaner fit next to Brunson than Barrett.
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They got two useful guys with control—and in Quickley at least some upside. I guess I’m surprised they didn’t get a first, but they almost have a late first equivalent in this and they have a lot more certainty in Barrett/Quickley than mid first round picks
 
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If they can pull off Dejounte as well, this would be a great series of moves that would push them to fringe contender given the defensive upgrades.
 
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This seems like an absolute heist by the Knicks, especially in light of what Toronto had supposedly wanted for Anonuby in the past. He’s a much cleaner fit next to Brunson than Barrett.
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That was my thought. Quickley was redundant, Barrett was a serial underperfomer, Anunoby is a strong two way player and they picked up a fill in for Robinson by getting Achiuwa too.
 
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I like this deal a lot for the Knicks, assuming they re-sign OG. Barrett still hasn't shown much, and IQ looks like nothing more than a really nice 6th man. OG's development has stalled the last couple of years, but he seems like the type of player that could really benefit going to a new situation, particularly a playoff team.

On the plus side for Toronto: They get a Canadian in Barrett (I don't know how much that's worth, but probably not nothing), and can finally start to look to the future (because OG to Barrett/IQ is definitely a talent decrease today).
 
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