I expect Glushon and Brad already worked out Jrue's 2yr extension this past summer when the trade went down.
I've also got Hauser a hair under Grant's deal, unless he goes supernova in the playoffs.
Feel free to remind me of this post when I'm wrong
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I've also got Hauser a hair under Grant's deal, unless he goes supernova in the playoffs.
Feel free to remind me of this post when I'm wrong
With the always disclaimer of maybe I'm wrong....I can't imagine Glushon not getting Jrue's age 36 & 37 years guaranteed before his numbers further diminish. Like zero chance imo. Hauser is also a Glushon client and I'll go less out on a limb on him but Jrue has to get those GTD years while he still can.I expect Glushon and Brad already worked out Jrue's 2yr extension this past summer when the trade went down.
I've also got Hauser a hair under Grant's deal, unless he goes supernova in the playoffs.
Feel free to remind me of this post when I'm wrong
When the Dame trade went down, I believe Holiday's wife was really upset with the business side of the NBA.
White Knight Brad rides in and says hey we'd love to have the Holiday Family in Boston for the next 3 years, would you extend in Feb at a slight discount like KP just did?
Hey hon what do you think about spending the next 3yrs in Cambridge for ~$100MM? or should we just hang in PDX & suck (nobody is going to trade for me without an extension gtd) then go to FA and get every last penny out of Detroit.
Obviously I'm guessing here but Agents backchannel these deals months ahead of time. PLUS the Celtics aren't handing over that many assets to have a player just run to the open market 9 months later.
If everyone watches Extended Family, maybe Wyc will be able to better afford the luxury tax payments.
If the Cs extend Jrue and White in addition to JT and JB on supermaxes and KP at $30M, their payroll (before tax payments) would be in the $350M-$400M range, and I believe that's before luxury tax payments. See, e.g., https://hoopshype.com/lists/jrue-holiday-traded-celtics-whats-next-for-celtics-trail-blazers-76ers/. Can Wyc afford this? Hopefully he's saved up his pennies for this moment and I presume that some of the decision will depend on whether the Cs have won a championship.
I'd settle for swapping with Daniel Theis and going "The War on LeBron" with it.
Though now, trying to imagine Theis being LeBron results in a mental image of shattered bodies everywhere.
I am basing this on nothing but my own imagination, but I wonder if they wouldn't at least bite the bullet for the 2024-25 season and then start trading people.If everyone watches Extended Family, maybe Wyc will be able to better afford the luxury tax payments.
If the Cs extend Jrue and White in addition to JT and JB on supermaxes and KP at $30M, their payroll (before tax payments) would be in the $350M-$400M range, and I believe that's before luxury tax payments. See, e.g., https://hoopshype.com/lists/jrue-holiday-traded-celtics-whats-next-for-celtics-trail-blazers-76ers/. Can Wyc afford this? Hopefully he's saved up his pennies for this moment and I presume that some of the decision will depend on whether the Cs have won a championship.
How are you getting that payroll before luxury tax? Very spitbally:If everyone watches Extended Family, maybe Wyc will be able to better afford the luxury tax payments.
If the Cs extend Jrue and White in addition to JT and JB on supermaxes and KP at $30M, their payroll (before tax payments) would be in the $350M-$400M range, and I believe that's before luxury tax payments. See, e.g., https://hoopshype.com/lists/jrue-holiday-traded-celtics-whats-next-for-celtics-trail-blazers-76ers/. Can Wyc afford this? Hopefully he's saved up his pennies for this moment and I presume that some of the decision will depend on whether the Cs have won a championship.
JT+JB: $110M
KP: 30M
DWhite + Jrue: 65M
That gets you to $205M, and then you fill out with Hauser, PP, and minimums. Even at $13M for Hauser, that's about $240M.
Really high, and probably not financially sustainable with luxury tax on top, but nowhere near $350-400M (thank god).
Sorry I was in a rush and should have just quoted the article, which says:
Adding Holiday is yet another big commitment to a nucleus that is already projected to be deep into the tax over the rest of the Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown era. This deal will increase their tax penalty this season by $14.4 million once they finalize their 14th player, totaling a $222.6 million roster. They are likely looking at a $260 million roster next season once Brown’s supermax extension kicks in.
The real pain will start as soon as the 2025-26 season when Tatum’s supermax kicks, which he will be eligible to sign starting on July 6, 2024. They will be paying both Tatum and Brown over $50 million each while entering the repeater tax in the year when higher tax rates in higher tax brackets get implemented. They could be looking at a roster in the $350-400 million range, assuming they extend both Holiday and White to lucrative deals.
Double-checking with Spotrac, the $220M-ish number for this year includes tax payments so the rest of the numbers must as well.
From what I’ve seen from Extended Family, Wyc shouldn’t count on Larry David type syndication deal money from this show. Not even Punky Brewster money.If everyone watches Extended Family, maybe Wyc will be able to better afford the luxury tax payments.
If the Cs extend Jrue and White in addition to JT and JB on supermaxes and KP at $30M, their payroll (before tax payments) would be in the $350M-$400M range, and I believe that's before luxury tax payments. See, e.g., https://hoopshype.com/lists/jrue-holiday-traded-celtics-whats-next-for-celtics-trail-blazers-76ers/. Can Wyc afford this? Hopefully he's saved up his pennies for this moment and I presume that some of the decision will depend on whether the Cs have won a championship.
Yeah… .500 team with a negative point differential. What’s the historical comp? Among champions…
1994-95 Rockets were 47-35
1969 Celtics (who, for all Lebron’s accomplishments, had more gravitas in the locker room) were 48-34
1968 Bullets were 44-38
A lot of games left but fair question when we stop considering them a contender.
1994-95 Rockets were 47-35
1969 Celtics (who, for all Lebron’s accomplishments, had more gravitas in the locker room) were 48-34
1968 Bullets were 44-38
A lot of games left but fair question when we stop considering them a contender.
The playoffs? They've lost 7 of 9 since the IST, not totally unexpected after intensity of that weekend, but we saw what they are capable of when LeBron and AD flip the switch.
Is anyone considering them as top tier contenders in the WC anyway?
Lebron and AD still seem to be playing fine still. The problem for the Lakers is the supporting cast.
Never understood the people who loved their offseason. They got Reaves on a decent contract, but otherwise it was all junk.
All these minutes for Reddish, Prince, Hachimura et al are brutal. These are fringe rotation/end of bench guys that start or play 20+ min per game. They stink (and D'Angelo Russell isn't much better).
It's hard to imagine them falling out of the top 10 (as long as Lebron and AD stay reasonably healthy) with Houston falling back to earth. The west is deep, but Utah, Portland and San Antonio won't be trying, and Memphis really needs to keep their feet on the gas for 4 straight months to just make the play-in. We know how good the Lakers will be in the play-in tournament, they've advanced past it twice in the last three years and obviously they can turn it on for individual games when there's something on the line.
The first round of the west playoffs is going to be excellent, with teams like Phoenix/LAL/GS at the bottom of the bracket.
No team has ever won the finals at .500 or worse in their first 34 with a -17 or worse point differential.
Splitting this up and detailing it a bit more:
-The only team to win the Finals with a negative point differential after 34 games? The 1954-55 Syracuse Nationals, at -6.
-The lowest W% after 34 games to win the Finals? .529, at 18-16, by the Philadelphia Warriors in 1946-47. Put another way, nobody's ever done it at exactly .500 or worse to win the whole thing.
I'm the one who liked him. Or one of the few, anyway. DARKO has him trending way up this year.I thought you liked Hachimura?
Not sure why, but I feel a Laker/Bull trade is inevitable.
LAL - Lavine, Caruso
CHI - Reaves, Russell, Hachimura
Some picks involved somehow.
LAL - Lavine, Caruso
CHI - Reaves, Russell, Hachimura
Some picks involved somehow.
I was joking with radsox. I loved Hachimura's fit with LA last year when he was acquired, he showed it in the playoffs, and they are a different team w him this year as well especially with his defensive switchability. He hates him.
The Lakers are really trying to make their giant lineup work:
AD: 6'10
Lebron: 6'9
Vanderbilt: 6'8
Hachimura: 6'8
Prince: 6'6
I get the urge, but this reminds me of when Philly tried to make this lineup work:
Embiid: 7'0
Simmons: 6'10
Horford: 6'9
Harris: 6'8
Richardson: 6'5
Even when most of the lineup can hit wide open 3's at a reasonable rate and you've got a magic johnson style playmaker, it's hard to make this much size work offensively.
AD: 6'10
Lebron: 6'9
Vanderbilt: 6'8
Hachimura: 6'8
Prince: 6'6
I get the urge, but this reminds me of when Philly tried to make this lineup work:
Embiid: 7'0
Simmons: 6'10
Horford: 6'9
Harris: 6'8
Richardson: 6'5
Even when most of the lineup can hit wide open 3's at a reasonable rate and you've got a magic johnson style playmaker, it's hard to make this much size work offensively.
With those types of lineups, you very quickly learn the difference between 37% 3-pointers on low-ish volume, and actual NBA shooting and playmaking in space.
In very small doses, those lineups can be effective, but at the end of the day, you need balance.
Laker fans are getting PO'd with Ham not starting Austin. Looks like IST fever has broke
Each time Vanderbilt bricks an open corner-3, LeBron loses a piece of his hairline. It's painful to watch from my living room I can only imagine how it hurts from the top of the circle. The kid can serve a useful role on a lot of teams in different roles he is so versatile....but as a spot-up corner 3 shooter it is failing miserably thus far.
That’s a tricky one because of Lavine’s contract. I tried several configurations in the trade machine but was unsuccessful. There would have to be a third team in the mix, I think.
Which trade machine did you use?
Real GM (https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7936472) said that this trade works after January 15, 2024, when Rui and Reaves are eligible to be traded.
Apparently, the 1st first round pick LAL can send out is 2029. I have to think that CHI wouldn't do that as they are looking for multiple 1st round picks for Caruso alone.
Yea the money works in a couple weeks. Probably right that CHI is looking for more but what is Reaves worth? He would go for at least a first if not two right?
Tend to agree Chicago says no even with an unprotected first in there. The big caveat is I’m not sure how they see Reaves—-there’s a way to see this as upgrading Caruso to Reaves and then LaVine for a pick and filler. Suspect that isn’t how Bulls would see it…but Reaves might be more than a good role player
I've read CHI is asking for 2 1sts for Caruso but it's unclear whether they're going to get it. I doubt that Reaves is worth more than Caruso. (DARKO - see below - has Caruso better at the moment though Reaves obviously has potential on his side).
OTOH, it really depends on whether LaVine has any value in trade talks. Woj reported that trade market is "barren". Also, this article says that LAL prefers DeRozen to LaVine and wouldn't want to give up Reaves so unless they really really want Caruso, I don't think that trade is going to work for either side.
Yea, I'm not sure the temp around the league, but IMO, Caruso and Reaves gotta be pretyy damn close in value. Caruso on a cheaper contract, but only for one more year. With reaves you get the extra year of control.
CHI may get a pick back for Lavine but it will require taking back bad money. I wouldn't consider Rui bad money, and Russell is a UFA next offseason.CHI can retool around Coby White and Austin Reaves and try to get above .500 again next year.
That fanspo one works very well and shows that the monmey works (just doesn't work until Jan 15th)
If you turn off the Bird rights signing restriction in settings, the trade will work on that website.
If the cost was Reaves/Rui/DLo + a '29 the Lakers would do that in a heartbeat.
Lavine needs a new environment and Caruso would fit in perfectly with Bron/AD
IND shoots 5-35 (14.3%) from 3P and still beats MIL by 9, thanks to shooting 31-38 from FT line. Looks like MIL's bench got shellacked as their 4 bench players ranged from -12 to -22 and 4 of IND's 5 bench players were +22 to +35 (IND's bench outscored MIL's bench 70-16)
It seems clear now that the Bucks will get their regular season wins, but it's crazy how much space a good offensive team can generate against them.
View: https://twitter.com/szn_holiday/status/1742033851294044590?s=20
Still waiting to see if he can turn into a semi-competent defender when it matters. Milwaukee is 2nd in offense and 16th in defense.
Crowder coming back will obv help them from a 2 way player perspective, but Middleton hasn't been anything special on defense for a while, and giving big minutes to players Lillard & Beasley will always put them behind the 8 ball w/r/t point of attack defense. I'm sure they're cooking up moves they can make, and maybe they can out-score teams in the playoffs, but it's an uphill battle on defense for them every night.
Right, I don't think there's an answer like "and then all of these bad defenders suddenly become good" or "slow people suddenly get fast". I'm not that sold on Crowder, since he didn't play tons when they had and needed him last year, but we'll see.
Their best bet is probably the Miami 2023 plan, where a lot of good and ok shooters heat up at the same time. Not unrealistic, given that the Bucks do have real shooting talent.
Last night Jordan Clarkson had the first triple double in 16 years for the Jazz. Jokic had 10 triple double’s in his 20 games this past playoffs.
Divecenzo started last bight but I like Brunson, Hart, Anunoby & Randle on the floor together…a lot.
Not that it means anything, OG was +19 last night to lead NYK.
On the other side of the trade, TOR beats CLE and IQ was +7, best among starters and second on the team to Schroder.
Could be a trade that helps both teams.
I agree with that. Quickley could fit nicely into the Raps PG role which was clearly a need.
I think I read that every other team has at least 10 since the Jazz's last, which sounds insane and I haven't double checked it. In any case it was a weird drought. Jazz have suddenly won 8 of their last 11 with Detroit next before an absolutely brutal stretch: Celtics, 76ers, Bucks, Nuggets all in a row, yikes.
Hardy kept Clarkson in the game until the final minute or so. During a late TO he was heard saying to him (paraphrasing), "Will you get a damn rebound so I can get you outta there?" and didn't seem too happy about having to leave him in. The crowd knew all that was going on and were really into it.
Dame is a traffic cone on defense. As seen in @Euclis20 video, Haliburton got anywhere he wanted on the floor numerous times against Dame
Middleton isn't close to being the defender he once was, although his shooting looks to have returned.
Brook is a + rim protector but isn't great on the perimeter.
There is only so much defensive floor space Giannis can cover. He's frustrated.
I guess there is a world where Beauchamp & Andre Jackson Jr play and help the defense.
BUCKs Strategy: Keep it close and then let Dame/Giannis take over the last 6 minutes of Q4 with the option of kicking it out to Kris/Brook for open 3s
OG had a huge impact on the game.
If someone didn't watch the game, +19 probably would tell you a lot more than 17pts/6 rebounds would. YMMV
BUT just say NO to +/- because it's evil
I’ve seen that clip and he definitely said that. I thought it was a joke but he did look pretty exasperated saying it to him