2023-2024 General NBA Season Thread

[wade boggs chicken dinner]

Is there any doubt the Knicks got the best player in this deal? Any takers on Quickley's upside? I don't follow the Knicks too closely.

BTW, there's a separate thread on this trade.

OG is the best player now but IQ was 2nd in 6th man of the year and playing better from what I understand this season. He'll probably get a 4/$100M (ot slightly less) extension. From a BBall standpoint, TOR needs a guard who has some creativity and by all accounts, he tries on defense. Given OG is an expiring, TOR did at least OK and possibly better IMO.

 

[SteveF]

Is there any chance Jimmy Butler can get through 4 playoff series? I just don't see it.

 

[Euclis20]

Jimmy Butler returned today after missing 4 games with a calf injury, then promptly injured his foot (other leg) against the Jazz and left early. Heat also lost Highsmith to an ugly looking head injury:

View: https://twitter.com/theresnoway30/status/1741254516484231365?s=20


He had to be helped off the court.

 

[Buster Olney the Lonely]

That was a scary looking collision. No doubt Highsmith got the worst of it but Colin Sexton took a hard hit too and wouldn't surprise me if he has to sit out a few games.

 

[jmcc5400]

Come on Pistons, tonight’s the night!

 

[Royal Reader]

Come on Pistons, tonight’s the night!

Does look like it, if Siakam continues to shoot free throws Shaqly.

 

[benhogan]

Come on Pistons, tonight’s the night!

There is a tall fella blocking shots, sprinting the floor, fighting for position on the block, dunking the ball, & shooting jumpers.

It says WISEMAN on the back of the jersey, but it can't possibly be the same James Wiseman, can it?

 

[jmcc5400]

There is a tall fella blocking shots, sprinting the floor, fighting for position on the block, dunking the ball, & shooting jumpers.

It says WISEMAN on the back of the jersey, but it can't possibly be the same James Wiseman, can it?

Wiseman’s play has been an epiphany.

(Seriously, though - nice outing from him. And Cade has been terrific)

 

[Royal Reader]

Neat lil Pistons run here

Though those two douches in teal Pistons hoodies are almost enough to make me root for Toronto

 

[The Raccoon]

+9 with 94sec to play against Raptors on the 2nd night of a B2B who are without the players in the deal with the Knicks today.
If not now, the Pistons may never win again!

 

[Royal Reader]

Toronto is clearly desperate not to let this one go. All these fouls and replays aren't exactly the best look from an entertainment standpoint.

 

[PedroKsBambino]

They did it!!!!

 

[Jim Ed Rice in HOF]

Yeah, that 94 seconds mentioned above took 20 minutes.

 

[Royal Reader]

They tried so, so hard to Pistons it right to the last moment.

 

[Buster Olney the Lonely]

That ending was comical. I'm glad the streak is over.

 

[SemperFidelisSox]

Horrible defense by Detroit in the final minute. They couldn’t defend without fouling. Almost blew it with bad inbounding.

 

[Euclis20]

Toronto is clearly desperate not to let this one go. All these fouls and replays aren't exactly the best look from an entertainment standpoint.

Man you ain't kidding. Detroit had 13 free throws in the final minutes and needed most of them, because Toronto scored 17 points in the final 60 seconds.

 

[Royal Reader]

Switched over to LA-Wolves and Minnesota commits three live ball turnovers in about 30 seconds.

 

[wade boggs chicken dinner]

Horrible defense by Detroit in the final minute. They couldn’t defend without fouling. Almost blew it with bad inbounding.

Bogdanovic, who is supposed to be providing veteran leadership, tried his best to give the game away - a bad top of the key TO down the stretch, another TO after an inbounds, and two missed FTs.

But DET prevails. I don't think I've ever rooted for DET before and don't think I will again but good for them.

 

[Royal Reader]

Bogdanovic, who is supposed to be providing veteran leadership, tried his best to give the game away - a bad top of the key TO down the stretch, another TO after an inbounds, and two missed FTs.

But DET prevails. I don't think I've ever rooted for DET before and don't think I will again but good for them.

They play the Lakers twice a year.

 

[RorschachsMask]

He's an absolute sniper.

Just watched him go 4-4 from three over an eight minute span in the third quarter.

Pacers are a really fun team to watch, but also frustrating because their defense is just catastrophic.

 

[the moops]

Halliburton closing in on another 20 assist night

 

[128]

Nesmith: 7 for 11 from 3-point range tonite.

 

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

Its fun when one of your LP teams plays the Lakers. Its like getting extra gifts to root against that moribund franchise.

 

[Buster Olney the Lonely]

Did you guys see that? Gobert's knee gave out as he tried to help Ant Edwards to his feet?

EDIT: he stayed in the game and is apparently okay.

 

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

Tony Brothers gonna work it out!

 

[Buster Olney the Lonely]

Ant Edwards is so fun to watch.

 

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

Playoff like D in this LAL @ TWolves game

 

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

Ant Edwards is so fun to watch.

Fun. Sick. Having Fun. Dude is a beast.

 

[Buster Olney the Lonely]

wow this game is nuts. Lebron appeared to tie the game with 2.3 seconds. Reviewing it to see if his foot was on the three point line.

 

[snowmanny]

Lol@lakers that review was delicious

 

[NYCSox]

Whew. And suck it LeCon.

 

[jmcc5400]

Lol@lakers that review was delicious

So good.

 

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

Its LeBron's birthday and he played pretty well - that shot was pretty sick. But alas the Lakers lost. What a terrible organization to dishonor their star by choking away this game.

 

[Buster Olney the Lonely]

Freaked a little bit when AE missed that first FT

 

[ifmanis5]

Museum worthy.

 

[ifmanis5]

That was fast.
View: https://twitter.com/ArtButSports/status/1741305517157253358

 

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

The internet is the best. And the worst. But its the best.

 

[Euclis20]

That picture is gonna last forever (and be on the same level as Tatum hacking Lebron on the game-tying layup last year), but it's not quite right:

View: https://twitter.com/WorldWideWob/status/1741306107971461290?s=20


The video shows it seems more likely than not that his toe did hit the line on the way up, and since the original call was a 2 point shot, it's just too much to overturn. It would drive me absolutely insane if it were a Celtics shot though.

*edit - really as fun a night as it can be with the Celtics not playing: Heat, Sixers, Lakers and Warriors all lose.

 

[wade boggs chicken dinner]

Just watched him go 4-4 from three over an eight minute span in the third quarter.

Pacers are a really fun team to watch, but also frustrating because their defense is just catastrophic.

Too bad the Cs never had minutes to develop him. But the Catch-22 is that even if he had gotten to this point with the Cs, the Cs wouldn't have been able to pay him. Good thing he was valuable enough to fetch Brogdon, who then got us Jrue.

 

[greek_gawd_of_walks]

Lol@lakers that review was delicious

Somehow, the NBA can get this called correctly (toe looks like it definitely touches arc as he rises), but the NFL derailed Harry's career vs the chiefs lol.

 

[benhogan]

Too bad the Cs never had minutes to develop him. But the Catch-22 is that even if he had gotten to this point with the Cs, the Cs wouldn't have been able to pay him. Good thing he was valuable enough to fetch Brogdon, who then got us Jrue.

Agreed, at the end of the day the trade was a win/win for both teams & players.

Boston got an excellent season from MB & he helped the C's land Jrue

Credit to Indiana on getting a pick & young player for Brogdon. Unloading a starter like MB, during a down year, opened up the NBA development minutes/shots for guys like Haliburton, Mathurin, Nesmith, Nembhard, Duarte.

Carlisle has the Pacers on an upswing after a couple of rough seasons.

 

[lovegtm]

That was fast.
View: https://twitter.com/ArtButSports/status/1741305517157253358

I would pay good money to watch a "Freaky Friday" type movie in which LeBron James wakes up to find he has swapped bodies with a player whom the refs are comfortable calling for technical fouls. Hilarity ensues.

 

[tims4wins]

Seems to me the refs got it right, in the sense that there was no conclusive evidence. If they called it a 3 on the floor, that would have likely stood as well.

 

[pjheff]

Too bad the Cs never had minutes to develop him. But the Catch-22 is that even if he had gotten to this point with the Cs, the Cs wouldn't have been able to pay him. Good thing he was valuable enough to fetch Brogdon, who then got us Jrue.

Do you think the C’s will be able to pay Jrue?

 

[the moops]

Do you think the C’s will be able to pay Jrue?

I think it is highly inaccurate that the Celtics wouldn't have been able to pay Nesmith. His extension is a very reasonable 11 million a year through 2027.

It's obviously hard to play this bizarro world game, but it Nesmith had been developed, there is no Holiday here - for thr C's wouldn't have had enough salary to send out without including Brogdon's money. So the alter alternative may be a world where Smart still goes out to get KP, but Nesmith and TimeLord are still here.

 

[wade boggs chicken dinner]

Do you think the C’s will be able to pay Jrue?

When Wyc was on the broadcast last night, he said that a Jrue extension is a priority but it really depends on what he wants - and what DWhite wants.

Holiday is extension eligible on February 22 but can only extend for 2 years. If he waits until the end of the year, he can extend for 4. It really depends on how deep Wyc's pocketbook is - is he willing to have JT and JB on maxes and KP at $30M and Jrue at $30M-$40M and DWhite at whatever he's playing himself into?

I think it is highly inaccurate that the Celtics wouldn't have been able to pay Nesmith. His extension is a very reasonable 11 million a year through 2027.

I mean sure they could have agreed to pay Nesmith but they could have paid Grant as well and chose not to do it. $11M for a guy that's a team may not be able to play in the playoffs is a lot.

My larger point is that it's hard for contenders (or contender wanna-bes) to draft, develop, and retain young players. If a player shows some potential, there's likely another team that is willing to pay for that potential, meaning it's possible to lose that guy for nothing in RFA (i.e., Immanual Quickley; it also will be interesting to see what GSW does with Moody and Kuminga) or if the guy pops, the team can sign them to a big contract but then they get into MIN territory, where they have $152M-$160M committed to four players - Gobert, Towns, McDaniels, and Edwards (his salary apparently depends on whether he makes All-NBA this year). And losing Conley would really hurt that team IMO.

Obviously not impossible but teams face lots of hard questions when it comes to adding good young players to an existing salary structure.

 

[slamminsammya]

When Wyc was on the broadcast last night, he said that a Jrue extension is a priority but it really depends on what he wants - and what DWhite wants.

Holiday is extension eligible on February 22 but can only extend for 2 years. If he waits until the end of the year, he can extend for 4. It really depends on how deep Wyc's pocketbook is - is he willing to have JT and JB on maxes and KP at $30M and Jrue at $30M-$40M and DWhite at whatever he's playing himself into?


I mean sure they could have agreed to pay Nesmith but they could have paid Grant as well and chose not to do it. $11M for a guy that's a team may not be able to play in the playoffs is a lot.

My larger point is that it's hard for contenders (or contender wanna-bes) to draft, develop, and retain young players. If a player shows some potential, there's likely another team that is willing to pay for that potential, meaning it's possible to lose that guy for nothing in RFA (i.e., Immanual Quickley; it also will be interesting to see what GSW does with Moody and Kuminga) or if the guy pops, the team can sign them to a big contract but then they get into MIN territory, where they have $152M-$160M committed to four players - Gobert, Towns, McDaniels, and Edwards (his salary apparently depends on whether he makes All-NBA this year). And losing Conley would really hurt that team IMO.

Obviously not impossible but teams face lots of hard questions when it comes to adding good young players to an existing salary structure.

I guess the sweet spot is a guy gets to be useful but not too good. kind of like Pritchard.

 

[benhogan]

When Wyc was on the broadcast last night, he said that a Jrue extension is a priority but it really depends on what he wants - and what DWhite wants.

Holiday is extension eligible on February 22 but can only extend for 2 years. If he waits until the end of the year, he can extend for 4. It really depends on how deep Wyc's pocketbook is - is he willing to have JT and JB on maxes and KP at $30M and Jrue at $30M-$40M and DWhite at whatever he's playing himself into?


I mean sure they could have agreed to pay Nesmith but they could have paid Grant as well and chose not to do it. $11M for a guy that's a team may not be able to play in the playoffs is a lot.

My larger point is that it's hard for contenders (or contender wanna-bes) to draft, develop, and retain young players. If a player shows some potential, there's likely another team that is willing to pay for that potential, meaning it's possible to lose that guy for nothing in RFA (i.e., Immanual Quickley; it also will be interesting to see what GSW does with Moody and Kuminga) or if the guy pops, the team can sign them to a big contract but then they get into MIN territory, where they have $152M-$160M committed to four players - Gobert, Towns, McDaniels, and Edwards (his salary apparently depends on whether he makes All-NBA this year). And losing Conley would really hurt that team IMO.

Obviously not impossible but teams face lots of hard questions when it comes to adding good young players to an existing salary structure.

I expect Wyc will extend Jrue and Derrick without blinking.

Good point on how Boston addressed Grant's RFA regarding a Nesmith contract comp.

Another Nesmith contract comparison will be what Brad does with Sam Hauser this summer.

Some of the estimates on Sam's extension 2 weeks ago were much richer than Nesmith's extension, & they seem like comparable role players.

 

[HomeRunBaker]

I expect Wyc will extend Jrue and Derrick without blinking.

Good point on how Boston addressed Grant's RFA regarding a Nesmith contract comp.

Another Nesmith contract comparison will be what Brad does with Sam Hauser this summer.

Some of the estimates on Sam's extension 2 weeks ago were much richer than Nesmith's extension, & they seem like comparable role players.

I don't expect Jrue to accept a 2-yr extension. He's much more likely to want his final payday this summer to get 4-years guaranteed in exchange for a slightly lower AAV. Hauser's should be more than Grant and Nesmith this summer too. Can we financially afford these numbers?