I don't think this is a totally serious question, but Cashman has done an amazing job closing the gap between NY and HOU/CLE/BOS that existed in August 2016, all of those teams had a bunch of young core guys in place already then and NY had literally none. The only thing that has really gone wrong with the plan (not counting Didi's injury which is hopefully something he'll fully recover from, we'll see) is Jose Fernandez's death (otherwise he'd be a FA this winter and had already talked about ending up with Stanton in NY someday).What has this cult done for you lately?
This is true, but the gap developed under his leadership as well, did it not?I don't think this is a totally serious question, but Cashman has done an amazing job closing the gap between NY and HOU/CLE/BOS that existed in August 2016,
Yeah, totally, but there was a lot of owner interference along the way too, especially with the way they handled trying to get under the cap and reset the tax originally in 2013-2014. The 2014 FA debacle, where they were out of the market until they realized (1-2 years too late) that they were not realistically going to get under and they needed to just go for it, was largely owner-driven as best I can tell.This is true, but the gap developed under his leadership as well, did it not?
Cashman was part lucky and part very smart with Chapman in the 2015-16 offseason. Lucky that the Reds foolishly felt they HAD to deal him at all costs immediately instead of letting him reestablish his value, and smart in apparently being the first one to come with with a Michael Corleone pitch of "My offer is this: nothing. Not even the fee for the gaming license, which I would appreciate if you would put up personally."Cashman has done an amazing job closing the gap between NY and HOU/CLE/BOS that existed in August 2016.
Well, they got Gleyber out of that, but that's really it. Judge, Sanchez, Severino, Andujar, Betances, all of those guys are 'homegrown' (I hate this word because it sounds like teams raise them from infants, but there's not really a better one).The three Chapman deals -- getting him for nothing, trading him for something (and something really good) and reacquiring him for nothing -- really helped make the 2017 and beyond Yankees.
Cashman was part lucky and part very smart with Chapman in the 2015-16 offseason. Lucky that the Reds foolishly felt they HAD to deal him at all costs immediately instead of letting him reestablish his value, and smart in apparently being the first one to come with with a Michael Corleone pitch of "My offer is this: nothing. Not even the fee for the gaming license, which I would appreciate if you would put up personally."
The three Chapman deals -- getting him for nothing, trading him for something (and something really good) and reacquiring him for nothing -- really helped make the 2017 and beyond Yankees.
Didi was a steal, but no one foresaw what he turned into, I highly doubt Cashman did; he was acquired as a stopgap. Hicks was underrated and a great move. Voit I think the jury is still out on - he could be an Aaron Small or could turn out to be a Millar type. Stanton was a gift from CI.The Chapman deal was one piece. Cashman is a trade opportunist and constantly finds value for very little. Didi, Hicks, Voit, and Stanton are all good examples.
What specifically do you mean? That list has him as the 10th best starter in the AL by WAR next year.I was playing with the Steamer projections for 2019 on Fangraphs yesterday, very interesting for context. It helped me see why (possibly) Cashman didn't want to commit to six years for Corbin when the similarly projected Happ would be available for three years, and also make it even more clear that Kluber should be the target if at all possible:
https://www.fangraphs.com/projections.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&type=steamer&team=0&lg=all&players=0&sort=19,d
Paxton is very high on that list, FWIW, tied with Snell and Bauer.
I thought I answered that pretty clearly already: "when the similarly projected Happ would be available for three years".What specifically do you mean? That list has him as the 10th best starter in the AL by WAR next year.
Fair enough, I misread to think you were saying Corbin wasn't projected well. Though, these obviously say nothing beyond 2019.I thought I answered that pretty clearly already: "when the similarly projected Happ would be available for three years".
I don't think Greinke is a real possibility for NY, even if ARI was wiling to take Ellsbury as part of the return. I don't see it on a quick search, but Cashman went out of his way a few weeks ago to say that over the years when they have brought in FAs to talk to, only twice did he/they think immediately 'this is not a fit that will work' and one of those was Greinke (he didn't name the other one).
It wasn’t depression it was social anxiety. And whether between meds or counseling he’s overcome them. He’d be fine.Yeah, his depression issues would not work with the NY rags.The 'go for the jugular' back covers alone would crush his spirit
Looks like it was bothIt wasn’t depression it was social anxiety. And whether between meds or counseling he’s overcome them. He’d be fine.
I’d like a unicorn.This is what I want to happen and since there is no news, I'll waste bandwith.
Trade Ellsbury and Frazier to the M's for Santana
Trade Andujar and two other studs for Kluber
Sign Machado to play third, sign Harper to play right/left, move Stanton to DH
Sign Happ, Robertson, Miller
Trade Gray for a minor leaguer or two
Lineup
Hicks CF
Judge RF
Harper LF
Stanton DH
Machado 3B
Sanchez C
Santana 1B
Torres 2B
Hechevarria SS
Bench: Gardner, Romine, Wade
Kluber SP
Severino SP
Paxton SP
Tanaka SP
Happ SP
Sabathia SP
Chapman RP
Betances RP
Holder RP
Robertson RP
Miller RP
Kahnle RP
A man can dream ...
I've been saying 10/280 for a while, I also have always expected PHI to outbid NY for him, so we'll see if 8/240 or 10/280 is enough.Heyman:
I don't think it's about only about payroll for this or next year, it's about losing flexibility to sign big players who might pop up for the next 5-10 years. Is the team willing to have two players on the roster committed to for the next 9 years? Will they be able to give Judge, Sanchez, and Severino contracts if they get Machado or Harper?That would be bad for the Yankees IMO because the FA market isn’t great next year. This market has the best set of young players for a long time. They should overspend now. Why hold their firepower? They should get Machado, no matter what, IMO.
This I don’t think is much of a consideration, those guys are all pre-arb still. It’s a question of how much they’re comfortable with overpaying, 10/280 would still be one of the couple biggest deals ever.I don't think it's about only about payroll for this or next year, it's about losing flexibility to sign big players who might pop up for the next 5-10 years. Is the team willing to have two players on the roster committed to for the next 9 years? Will they be able to give Judge, Sanchez, and Severino contracts if they get Machado or Harper?
Their window is open for the next 4-6 years. They can contend with the current roster but they wouldn’t be favourites. If they spend money, they would be the prohibitive favourites every year. What’s the point in having a lot of cost-controlled players if you don’t fill out the roster with the best FAs? Especially when you’re the Yankees and you can afford to go way over the cap for 4-5 years in a row.I don't think it's about only about payroll for this or next year, it's about losing flexibility to sign big players who might pop up for the next 5-10 years. Is the team willing to have two players on the roster committed to for the next 9 years? Will they be able to give Judge, Sanchez, and Severino contracts if they get Machado or Harper?
All of that is true, but it's also possible that there is a better overall use of the money than on Machado or Harper depending on how pricy they end up being. I agree that if they don't end up at at least $230-$240M this year, it will be a massively wasted opportunity and will quite likely impact my level of fandom going forward.Their window is open for the next 4-6 years. They can contend with the current roster but they wouldn’t be favourites. If they spend money, they would be the prohibitive favourites every year. What’s the point in having a lot of cost-controlled players if you don’t fill out the roster with the best FAs? Especially when you’re the Yankees and you can afford to go way over the cap for 4-5 years in a row.
Cashman has been setting things up for this offseason. It would be a huge waste of opportunity if they didn’t spend.
Machado is projected to produce something like 4-5 win per year for the next 5 years. Even given a discounted rate of $8m per win, he’s worth $30m a year. I think you’ll have to do something like 10/$320m and it’d be worth the risk given your situation.All of that is true, but it's also possible that there is a better overall use of the money than on Machado or Harper depending on how pricy they end up being. I agree that if they don't end up at at least $230-$240M this year, it will be a massively wasted opportunity and will quite likely impact my level of fandom going forward.
I mean, how high should Cashman go on Machado? Is 15/450 too much? 10/280 seems like a good general place to draw the line.
I'm sure Cashman doesn't want to bid again himself. I'll be a little surprised if he doesn't match the high offer from Philly or whoever for Machado.Heyman:
Is that arrogance or some kind of 4D negotiating strategy? There is no case to be made that a guy who has performed as poorly as Gray—and was effectively (entirely?) benched in the playoffs—should fetch anything near “top prospects.”Can't post from Twitter right now but Joel Sherman saying Cashman is asking the Reds for top prospects in return for Gray. Reds not biting.
You must not be aware of the Cashman trade strategy with the Reds. We'll give you garbage prospects for a top closer but will give you garbage for your top prospects.Is that arrogance or some kind of 4D negotiating strategy? There is no case to be made that a guy who has performed as poorly as Gray—and was effectively (entirely?) benched in the playoffs—should fetch anything near “top prospects.”
There’s a lot of demand for him actually, his FIP was much better than his ERA and his road numbers were very strong.Is that arrogance or some kind of 4D negotiating strategy? There is no case to be made that a guy who has performed as poorly as Gray—and was effectively (entirely?) benched in the playoffs—should fetch anything near “top prospects.”
He got spooked by pitching in a bandbox. Why would the Reds, who also play in a bandbox, be comforted by his road numbers?There’s a lot of demand for him actually, his FIP was much better than his ERA and his road numbers were very strong.
11 different teams have supposedly inquired about him. Why are we getting indignant about the latest rumor here?He got spooked by pitching in a bandbox. Why would the Reds, who also play in a bandbox, be comforted by his road numbers?