Haha, if that was landing a punch, you can punch me in the nutsack all day (I mean, in an alternate universe where you're an attractive woman and I'm single). That testicular caress was so gentle and tender it's practically NSFW...
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The response to this incident is very troubling. I'm not going to jump down the rabbit hole of trying to convince all of you that your hatred of Draymond Green isn't justified or reasonable. You can hate him. You can think he deserved to be punched in the face.
That does not make his being punched by Thompson, under these circumstances, ok. It is never ok to react with violence to someone trying to make peace. I'm very concerned that it seems the majority of those posting here do not agree with that.
That does not make his being punched by Thompson, under these circumstances, ok. It is never ok to react with violence to someone trying to make peace. I'm very concerned that it seems the majority of those posting here do not agree with that.
Yeah. I get sick of people thinking violence is always, always, always forbidden. Its bullshit. Unprovoked violence is wrong. Green has been provoking people for years and earned a good slap.
I had a buddy in college who would get drunk and run his mouth to anyone that would listen. He'd be obnoxious, rude, and shitty to anyone and everyone when drunk. When people would step to him, he'd find his friends to protect him. One night, his girlfriend called me and begged me to go get him at a party because he was being belligerent. I found him at the party and convinced him to leave. Long story short, one of the kids he was harassing followed us out with about 5 other kids and jumped us. I managed to get some shots in and then cover up pretty well, so I only ended up with some lumps on the back of my head. He ended up with two black eyes, a broken nose, and knocked unconscious. I had to carry him on my shoulder the rest of the way to the apartment - blood smeared down my back from his busted nose - then get him to the hospital. While I think it was too extreme, he absolutely earned that ass kicking. Later in life, he agreed. And he stopped being an obnoxious prick when drunk. Immediately.
Were talking about grown adults. At some point, you dont just get to keep trolling people, getting them angry, degrading them, using them to prop yourself up, and then laughing about it. If theres a responsibility to not use violence, theres the same responsibility to not be an obnoxious, 8 year old, prick and expect to just degrade people without consequence.
Professional sports IS masculinity. It epitomizes manhood. Green had talked shit all series. His team laid a firm smackdown on the Cavs. When approached to shake hands publically after the game, he rejected it and openly put on a show that TT "ain't cut from the same cloth" (you're not as much of a man as me). He then proffered that TT can meet him in the streets anyday (dick waving masculinity).
That Green could then approach TT in a PRIVATE setting with "Hey man! You know how I challenged your manhood in front of everyone, affected your brand as an "NBA tough guy", and told people I'd kick your ass? Now that nobody is around and I already got to make myself look good at your expense...were cool, right?!"
He earned that punch. And, since it didnt knock him off his feet, it sounds like it wasnt too vicious. Hopefully he uses it to tone down the rhetoric. Unfortunately, I think he may need a few more, harder slaps before he stops using others to springboard his own ego.
KFP, your story isn't a good analogy. The analagous situation is if nothing had happened that night, your friend had run into the guy months later, apologized, and then was attacked.
I'm having trouble reconciling the fact that this post was made by someone who has balls and has presumably been hit in them at least a few times in his life, regardless of the force of the impact.
I mean, I was mostly kidding ... but you don't see a difference between a delicate caressing and an actual punch the nuts? Hard to tell from that clip how much shorts v. ballsack v. balls Draymond got with the back of his hand, but based on LeBron's lacks of grimacing or anything it looks a lot closer (to me) to a caress than a full on punch.
Of course, the guy who took it literally and figuratively in the nuts in the whole deal was Steven Adams, along with his OKC teammates. Draymond probably should have gotten a flagrant for his bona fide full nut-kick in the 2016 WCF, which would have gotten him suspended and probably a tilted a knife's edge series in OKC's favor. Instead, Adam Silver and Kiki Vandeweghe put their thumbs on the scales to extend the series, Steph & Klay hit a zillion ridiculous threes to pull out a Game 6 in OKC, and the Warriors advanced to the Finals by the skin of their ballsacks.
And then of course in the Finals, Adam and Kiki got the chance to rectify their mistake and put their thumbs on the scales again, capriciously turning what was a pretty obvious technical foul into a flagrant in order to get Draymond suspended, extend the series, and help out the Cavs. And so it was that LeBron — who cleverly instigated the incident with the teabagging — got a third title (in addition to a delicate ball-caressing), while the Warriors got Durant and two more titles (and counting), and Adams and the Thunder got totally hosed.
To be continued...
Hey! They're important to me. I just trust Dray, Steph and co. to keep them safely in a jar in the locker room.
My point of disagreement is that I don't see this as a good faith effort at peace making.
In fact, he violates a whole bunch of what would be considered best practices for dispute resolution.
In effect, his intent to make piece does not make his behavior acceptable, especially insofar as he accosted him in public where there is no opportunity to withdraw with dignity and, furthermore, ignored the initial refusal.
This looks to me like a text book case of "self-indulgent peace making" where the initiator, by getting caught up in his own idea of making peace, effectively ignores the other. When this happens, what is ostensibly an overture of peace becomes a quiet form of aggression, especially in putting the other on the spot like that.
And he got popped in the face for it. That's how that works. I'm not pro-violence by any means and I hope the above suggests the amount of careful thought and study I have given such issues, but I see the punch as a reprisal, not an attack.
You can still get killed in parts of the world for not allowing another man to save face, and the people around will be like... yeah, that's what happens. I don't endorse it, but I also get why dogs bite people sometimes.
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The real question here, though, is: If your friend had never been beat up, do you think he would have managed to not be a dickhead about his apology?
This post is too much. For starters, none of us have any idea about the context of this supposed peacemaking attempt. Maybe he was sincere. Maybe he had a shit eating grin on his face. Maybe Tristan was drunk and misread a genuine attempt. Given Draymond’s history and his public attempt at peacemaking, I’m not cutting him any slack here.
I was also mostly making a joke, but my point was that when it comes to that particular region, the exact location of the impact is a lot more important than the force of the impact. I'd rather be punched full force but a few inches off target than get slapped on target.
The force Draymond put into that was more than enough to bring Lebron down if it had landed in a slightly different location.
I doubt Saginaw wants to be seen as the "talk shit, back down, get flattened" place. As for Canada, the guy that let's his hands do the talking is fine with us. Which guy is the better player matters not at all.Saginaw, Michigan, actually.
There is still a bit of a hockey ethos in Canadian hoops. The better player does not have carte blanche to talk. Which is why Chara has famously objected to Crosby talking shit.
When I was cannon fodder for nameless summer league team we were doing 3 on 2 and I was put on d. It was new at the time, a transition screen for the 3 pointer. And 3 o against 2 d, not surprising we were getting torched. One of the shooters kept yapping "Reggie you can't stop me" etc. I begged my team mate to close the guy out and make him drive.He did and I did an old 80s hard foul, and he popped up unhappy. We came to understand a cultural difference. In NY city when you score you say something, in Canada when say something you get knocked on your ass. His idea was as the better player he was allowed to talk, my idea as 40 pounds heavier than he was, was that he did not.
I lived on Blackinton a few years later, but it was on Montana st in front of the Boardmans. Coming from a party on Porter.
Gary Washburn says he's hearing the TNT season tip off games on October 16th will be Sixers at Celtics and Thunder at Warriors.
Rather predictably, subsequent stories on the Dray vs. TT Kardashian incident (per TMZ, etc.) have downgraded it to more like a “face mush” and noted that afterwards the two made nice, dapped each other up, and cheerfully partied together.
All the feverish fan-fiction about Draymond getting “leveled,” “flattened” or otherwise humbled was pretty entertaining, though.
All the feverish fan-fiction about Draymond getting “leveled,” “flattened” or otherwise humbled was pretty entertaining, though.
Sometimes, you really do make it hard to enjoy this terrific forum... And the beauty that is GS basketball.
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Not counting today, that's 75 days. If the Sox make the post-season, October is going to be epic...
A 75-day Lebronathon
, sickening... The NBA should start the G-League after Labor Day. More budding bench fodder to feast our eyes on (ala Vegas summer league)
Thank goodness the Sox will fill my sports void in the meantime.
Fucking Lebron, man. Getting press for opening schools to help disadvantaged kids and their families while also funding their college educations, providing free transportation to the school, and offering job placement to parents. Will the media ever shut the fuck up about this guy?A 75-day Lebronathon
The NBA should start the G-League after Labor Day. More budding bench fodder to feast our eyes on (ala Vegas summer league)
Thank goodness the Sox will fill my sports void in the meantime.
Assuming sarcasm, I agree. Between the schools and the way he personally dragged an utterly horrendous team to the Finals last year, I’ve done a complete180 on Lebron at this point
Yup. Give me all the Lebron news you got. The guy is a phenomenal, all-time talent, who has a squeaky clean off court history/image, and puts his money where his mouth is repeatedly by making the community he grew up in a better place to live for the people who are often left behind. The Lebron hate is just stupid at this point, and says a lot more about the person doing the complaining than it does about Lebron.
V&N alert, but his comments a couple days ago on POTUS were pretty great too.
“When you’re a part of sports, it just brings so much camaraderie and so much fun. We’re in a position right now in America, more importantly, where this race thing has taken over because I believe our president is kinda trying to divide us.”
[Kinda?]
”He is (trying to divide us). I don’t want to say kinda. He’s dividing us, and what I’ve noticed over the last few months is that he’s kind of used sports to kind of divide us.”
“That’s something that I can’t relate to because I know that sport was the first time I was ever around someone white. And I got the opportunity to see them and learn about them and they got the opportunity to learn about me and we became very good friends, and I was like ‘oh wow this is all because of sports.’ Sports have never been something that divides people, it’s always something that brings someone together.”
This one too:
“When you’re a part of sports, it just brings so much camaraderie and so much fun. We’re in a position right now in America, more importantly, where this race thing has taken over because I believe our president is kinda trying to divide us.”
[Kinda?]
”He is (trying to divide us). I don’t want to say kinda. He’s dividing us, and what I’ve noticed over the last few months is that he’s kind of used sports to kind of divide us.”
“That’s something that I can’t relate to because I know that sport was the first time I was ever around someone white. And I got the opportunity to see them and learn about them and they got the opportunity to learn about me and we became very good friends, and I was like ‘oh wow this is all because of sports.’ Sports have never been something that divides people, it’s always something that brings someone together.”
This one too:
I’m assuming he was referring to the ESPN slpoogefest that will commence at training camp and end whenever the Fakers get eliminated from the playoffs.
I think it's important to separate out hate of Lebron-the-on-court-performer, which can be totally reasonable and is also held to a lower standard of rationality, from any hate of Lebron-the-person, which should need to be rational and at this point would make a hater look ridiculous.
I hate the former and admire the latter, and I don't think it's a contradiction. So, sure, "give me all the news you've got" on him being an awesome person doing awesome things for people. But spare me the never-ending sports hagiography, for him every bit as much as for Derek Jeter, Peyton Manning, etc.
It's a farce to put him in the same sentence as Jeter and Manning. James has a claim to be the best ever at his sport and maybe the best athlete of all-time. He deserves the sploogefest.
It's the equivalent of separating a person from their art. I find a lot of things about LeBron annoying, his constant whining to the refs, his stiff-arm runs to the basket, the constant drama that surrounds whatever team he is on, the awkward broken hand claim he made after this year's finals, etc. A lot of that is partially because my team frequently loses to LeBron's team, and as you say, there is a level of acceptable irrationality when it comes to that.
That all of course, has nothing to do with LeBron the human being; who we can all agree is a thoughtful and giving individual who has handled the enormous amount of pressure on him better than pretty much anybody except Jordan and TB12.
By every account he’s a good/great person off the court. Can be annoying as hell on the court. As much I don’t like him on the court, I do respect his accomplishments.
Wow I have never thought of it that way before, but yes, Lebron and Schilling are basically mirror images in terms of on-field/off-field images in my view.
And the off-field stuff is the stuff that actually matters in the real world. The on-field stuff is in comparison unimportant.
For me, sports hate is just part of the pastime that is sports. What Lebron and unfortunately Schilling do in real life is vastly more important.
I still feel like I have the right to my sports hate and love though. As long as it’s kept in that context.
And the off-field stuff is the stuff that actually matters in the real world. The on-field stuff is in comparison unimportant.
For me, sports hate is just part of the pastime that is sports. What Lebron and unfortunately Schilling do in real life is vastly more important.
I still feel like I have the right to my sports hate and love though. As long as it’s kept in that context.
P.K. Subban has always been that guy for me. But I really hate him on the ice. I only dislike Lebron on the court.
Mentioned this before, but I saw Lebron play, even spoke to him once. The way he handled the combination of people kissing his ass/hoping he'd fail was incredible. He was ten years above his age off the court by the time he was 17.
Monroe to the Raps so he can go back to killing the Celtics as an opponent instead of as a team member.
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Monroe is signing a one-year, $2.2M deal with Toronto, league sources said. The veteran center is joining a contender in the Eastern Conference.
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Monroe is signing a one-year, $2.2M deal with Toronto, league sources said. The veteran center is joining a contender in the Eastern Conference.
That's a great deal. Monroe will be missed. Was perfect for the role he played with the Cs and it looks like he'll probably play a similar role for the Raptors. Were there salary cap reasons the Cs couldn't of matched this?
They are slightly into the luxury tax, and there is speculation that they will try to get back under the tax threshhold to avoid the higher "repeater" tax that will come into play when their guys start getting paid.
They have a full 15 man roster.
There aren't a lot of minutes for him at C with everyone healthy (Horford, Baynes,Theis, Williams).
The $2.2 million is a good value, but also reflects Monre's declining value around the league.
He hardly played in the playoffs because he can't defend, I don't think he'll be missed. They still have a 3 big rotation of Horford, Baynes and Theis, with developing bigs in Yabu and Williams.
Yes. There are moves to be made still, since they won't go over for no good reason. But even at that price, Monroe doesn't bring enough value for Danny to complicate his own life any more than it already is.
Probably not a bad pickup for Toronto though.
Annnnnd in sixers tradition Zhaire Smith has hurt his foot at summer training and is headed to Philly for evaluation.
EVERY FUCKING YEAR
EVERY FUCKING YEAR
Sometimes there's a point such that, even if you don't believe in evil cosmic forces, it may still make sense to wonder if they believe in you.
Monroe is a really skilled basketball player who would have been really good in the 90s. It's too bad the modern era of basketball has made his skills a non-asset.