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2018-19 Offseason News, Rumors, Trades

Discussion in 'MLB Discussion' started by SemperFidelisSox, Nov 1, 2018.

  1. jon abbey

    jon abbey Shanghai Warrior Dope SoSH Member

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    He was a realistic candidate to start the wild card game against NY even.
     
  2. E5 Yaz

    E5 Yaz Transcends message boarding Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    He (or Fiers) should have started. Dumbest move of the postseason.

    Edwin's only 35
     
  3. Papelbon's Poutine

    Papelbon's Poutine Homeland Security SoSH Member

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    Yeah the age is kinda what shocked me, I figured he’d be expired by now and I didn’t pay much attention to the league outside Sox this year so I had no idea. Feels like he should be like Bartolo’s age. 35 and headed to 14th team, that’s kinda crazy.
     
  4. Danny_Darwin

    Danny_Darwin Member SoSH Member

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    I don't know if it'll work, but I admire the Twins for actually trying instead of conceding the division to a team that's actively trying to make itself worse.
     
  5. patoaflac

    patoaflac Member SoSH Member

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    If they don’t give away all the MFY games, maybe.
     
  6. YTF

    YTF Well-Known Member Silver Supporter SoSH Member

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    A's don't make the wild card game without Jackson. The guy was surprisingly good for them and a lot people weren't even aware that he was still in baseball.
     
  7. YTF

    YTF Well-Known Member Silver Supporter SoSH Member

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  8. Ford Frick's Asterisk

    Ford Frick's Asterisk Member SoSH Member

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    Too bad for Lucroy his ridiculous bargaining demand in July 2016 didn't work out for him. If he had successfully gotten the Indians to decline his 2017 team option in exchange for him waiving his no-trade clause to Cleveland, he'd be entering his 3rd season of a very overpaid contract. Instead, he was shipped to Texas, where his no-trade clause didn't cover any bargaining power, and his career started to tank a year before he could hit free agency. Now he'll make just over $15M from 2017-2019.

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  9. jon abbey

    jon abbey Shanghai Warrior Dope SoSH Member

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    Kikuchi nearing an agreement with SEA:

     
  10. kelpapa

    kelpapa Member SoSH Member

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    Per heymans Twitter:
    Kikuchi has an unusual deal. Has initial 4 year guarantee (3 years plus 2022 player option) but 4th year player option can be replaced by an additional 4 year guarantee for a total of 7 years by the #Mariners
     
  11. jon abbey

    jon abbey Shanghai Warrior Dope SoSH Member

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    The numbers are 3/43 definite, 4th year player option at 13, additional potential guarantee at 4/66, so it will be 3/43 (if they decline the team one and he declines the player one), 4/56 (if they decline the team option and he takes the player one) or 7/109 (if they take the team extension option).
     
  12. Plympton91

    Plympton91 bubble burster SoSH Member

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    This seems structured to game the posting fee system.
     
  13. BoSox Rule

    BoSox Rule Member SoSH Member

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  14. SirPsychoSquints

    SirPsychoSquints Member SoSH Member

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    So the posting fee is guaranteed $9.4M plus 15% of whatever else he gets paid under the options. If the optioned amounts had been guaranteed, the posting fee would have been $175K higher, as the first $7M would have been "taxed" at 17.5% instead of the option rate of 15%.
     
  15. ThePrideofShiner

    ThePrideofShiner spooky action from a distance SoSH Member

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    Robertson to the Phillies on a two-year deal.

     
  16. moondog80

    moondog80 heart is two sizes two small SoSH Member

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    Less than an hour ago Bradford wrote that the Kimbrel market was down to Philly, Boston, and maybe Atlanta. Does this take Philly out of it?
     
  17. DanoooME

    DanoooME Well-Known Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    I'd say so. Their pen isn't great, but has enough decent bodies that I don't think they invest any more money in it with Robertson, Dominguez, Neshek, Neris, Hunter, Nicasio from the right side. They might upgrade the lefty options (Alvarez, Morgan) but that's about it.
     
  18. Pozo the Clown

    Pozo the Clown lurker

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    Should Philly fail to ink either of Harper or Machado, they might allocate that $ on Kimbrel.
     
  19. Mueller's Twin Grannies

    Mueller's Twin Grannies Member SoSH Member

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    So much for Robertson wanting to pitch close to home.
     
  20. moondog80

    moondog80 heart is two sizes two small SoSH Member

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    I roll my eyes every time I see that someone is going to chose to play close to home. These guys almost always take the most money.
     
  21. The_Powa_of_Seiji_Ozawa

    The_Powa_of_Seiji_Ozawa Member SoSH Member

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    He’ll be comfortable in Philly. It’s like a baby New York.
     
  22. Mueller's Twin Grannies

    Mueller's Twin Grannies Member SoSH Member

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    True. I've heard there's a lot, a lot of culture.
     
  23. JohntheBaptist

    JohntheBaptist Member SoSH Member

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    Huh?
     
  24. 54thMA

    54thMA Member SoSH Member

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    This is where all the MFY fans say "Robertson was on the back nine, he was not very good for us last year, it's best to move on", yet if they had resigned him, it would be "Outstanding news, another piece of the puzzle is in place, GREAT move, now go get Harper, Machado, Britton, Koufax, Gibson and Palmer and call it a day".
     
  25. ThePrideofShiner

    ThePrideofShiner spooky action from a distance SoSH Member

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    I'd much rather have Robertson than Britton, but maybe they want a lefty. But I'll also take Harper and Machado.
     
  26. jon abbey

    jon abbey Shanghai Warrior Dope SoSH Member

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    Big fan of Robertson but if I have to pick two of three of him and Britton and Ottavino, I think I am taking the latter two. Good luck to the Houdini of the bullpen, glad he is in the other league, and he probably cost himself some money by acting as his own agent.
     
  27. crow216

    crow216 Dragon Wangler SoSH Member

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    Or you could just go read commentary before anyone signed basically saying that Robertson was interchangeable with the other available options. Happy for Robertson and grateful for his contributions but he's not likely to be much, if at all, better than Ottavino or Britton.

    Steamer projections
    Name ERA WHIP K/9 BB/9 FIP WAR
    Adam Ottavino 3.63 1.27 11.36 4.24 3.58 0.5
    Andrew Miller 2.95 1.13 11.44 3.09 2.94 0.9
    Craig Kimbrel 2.8 1.07 13.59 3.61 2.72 1.4
    David Robertson 3.32 1.19 11.19 3.42 3.27 0.8
    Zach Britton 3.01 1.32 8.74 3.65 3.24 0.5
     
  28. patoaflac

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    Great post, big reality.
    Juan Vene, a Venezuelan baseball journalist who used to own the rights for MLB radio broadcasts for Latinamerica and transmitted the game of the day in the 80’s, said today Machado is considering the White Sox 300 million 10 year offer and that Marwin Gonzalez is going to the Nationals. http://www.milenio.com/opinion/juan-vene/en-la-pelota/marwin-esta-cerca-de-ser-un-national
     
  29. HriniakPosterChild

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    Mariners officially announce the signing of Japanese left-handed pitcher Yusei Kikuchi

    Meet the newest Mariners pitcher: ‘Hi everyone, my name is Yusei Kikuchi’ (in English!)

    Mr. Ichiro
    Adapting to the MLB rotation (NBP pitchers typically throw once / week)
     
  30. barbed wire Bob

    barbed wire Bob crippled by fear Silver Supporter SoSH Member

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  31. Danny_Darwin

    Danny_Darwin Member SoSH Member

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    Kind if crazy to me that after all this Harper is probably going to go back to Washington and Philly is looking like it won’t get either of the top free agents after they essentially declared themselves open for business. I guess they could turn around and give a ton of money to Kimbrel and Keuchel.
     
  32. koufax32

    koufax32 He'll cry if he wants to... SoSH Member

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    Gut feeling on Harper or have you seen/heard something?
     
  33. moondog80

    moondog80 heart is two sizes two small SoSH Member

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    Apparently the Nats offered him much more than 300 mil, and they are considered the favorites to land him. That would be a surprise -- I'd expect the Nats would then trade Adam Eaton, who has been hurt a lot the past two seasons but has always been productive and is under cheap control for three more years. It also might lead to bidding war between the Yanks and Phils for Machado.
     
  34. DeadlySplitter

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    Chicago White Sox: buyers



    Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan)
    Reliever Kelvin Herrera and the Chicago White Sox are in agreement on a two-year, $18 million deal with a vesting third-year option, sources tell ESPN.
     
  35. crow216

    crow216 Dragon Wangler SoSH Member

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    I'd say that Ottavino's price just went down.
     
  36. jon abbey

    jon abbey Shanghai Warrior Dope SoSH Member

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    I think that's wishful thinking, Herrera is coming off an injury and probably not ready to start the season.
     
  37. OCD SS

    OCD SS Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Ottavino is in the tier where everyone (besides Britton) is getting 2 years + an option/ 3rd year buy out. I think it’s more likely that he can leverage 2 teams like the Yankees and Red Sox against each other to get a 3rd year than it is that he’ll accept less because of Herrera’s precedent.
     
  38. Plympton91

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    Herrera is coming off a rotator cuff injury and his K/9 has been dropping for the past 2 seasons. That contract is mind boggling to me. I would have thought he’d be 1 year with a modest base and incentives that paid him like a closer if he pitched like one.
     
  39. moondog80

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    I don't mind the Herrera move for Chicago. They have a gazillion dollars worth of payroll room and not much else to do with it, this deal will never impact their spending in other areas. Maybe they also sign Harper or Machado, their young guys all mature ahead of schedule, and Herrera helps them contend for a WC. That's unlikely. The more foreseeable upside as that Herrera is effective, the team still sucks, and they move him and his 1.5 years of control for a prospect in July.
     
  40. SemperFidelisSox

    SemperFidelisSox suzyn SoSH Member

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    This guy broke the Robinson Canó suspension news last season and Nelson Cruz to the Twins a few days ago.

     
  41. jon abbey

    jon abbey Shanghai Warrior Dope SoSH Member

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    Wow, Grandal to the Brewers on a one year deal, good job turning down that four year offer from the Mets.
     
  42. E5 Yaz

    E5 Yaz Transcends message boarding Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    I'll believe the Yankees are out of this when I see Machado playing for another team
     
  43. canderson

    canderson Fomenting voting confusion and angst since 2016 Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    $18.25 million!
     
  44. DeadlySplitter

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  45. E5 Yaz

    E5 Yaz Transcends message boarding Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    They were one game from being in the World Series last year. Of course they're going for it
     
  46. jon abbey

    jon abbey Shanghai Warrior Dope SoSH Member

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    It's a lot less exciting when you realize he turned down the $17.9M qualifying offer from LA a few months ago as well as a 4 year/$50M+ offer from the Mets more recently. Terrible job by his agent.
     
  47. jon abbey

    jon abbey Shanghai Warrior Dope SoSH Member

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    MIL now has their highest payroll ever by far, $132M currently. That has to make it less likely they will trade for Sonny Gray as was still being rumored today, maybe he'll end up in SD.
     
  48. Marciano490

    Marciano490 Urological Expert SoSH Member

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    Also, terrible job to Grandal in the postseason.
     
  49. soxhop411

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    Honestly I’m becoming more confident that we are going to have a longggggg work stoppage/lockout/strike when this CBA expires.

    Owners are going to try and make the CBA even more one sided towards owners than this current CBA already is and I hope tony Clark actually grows a pair and doesn’t cave to their demands.

    And honestly given how terrible the last few offseason have been in terms of good players getting screwed $$$, I wouldn’t blame MLBPA if they strike. They deserve to get paid what they actually deserve.
    The system is broken and it needs to be fixed. I mean he couldn't even beat the deal that Russell Martin got 4 years ago, despite being younger than Martin when he hit FA and having near similar wins in the 4 years prior to FA ( via Craig Goldstein) ..... Grandal's deal is only three hundred fifty thousand more than the damn QO for this season...
     
    #599 soxhop411, Jan 9, 2019
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  50. jon abbey

    jon abbey Shanghai Warrior Dope SoSH Member

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    Sure, but the Mets offer came after that.
     

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