2015 Dolphins: Fire the Lazor!

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TheShynessClinic said:
God you're such a fairweather twat.
Geez.  I think all Phins fans have earned the right to be bitter and jaded.  Doesn't make us fair weather.
 
mcaqua said:
Is there such a thing as a fairweather Dolphins fan in 2015?

I was at the game today and it was a shitload of fun (Sun Life was delirious in that first quarter) - but yeah, I'll be shocked if we don't lose on Thursday. Unfortunately, those shitty conference (JAX) and 'home' divisional losses are going to bite us in the ass.
Very cool you got a chance to get to the game.  Finally, something for the home crowd to party about.  I've seen them play here in Minnesota twice, but getting to a game in Miami some day is on my bucket list.

Yeah, a win on Thursday would be a shocker.  They'll need all hands on deck and they'll need to be darn near perfect.  Not bloody likely

Interestingly, though, the split between the top teams in the conference and the rest of the pack is about as wide as I can remember.   9 - 7 probably still won't get you in, but 10 wins looks very likely.  Can the Dolphins go 7 - 2 after Thursday's game?   
 

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Clears Cleaver said:
Concussions are definitely in play for Amendola and Edelman. 15 yards is worth the helmet to helmet. 
 
Of course, we know the goal is to injure Brady and/or Gronk, so do what you need to do. I am looking forward to the Suh cheap shots. 
 
TheShynessClinic said:
God you're such a fairweather twat.
dwainw said:
Geez.  I think all Phins fans have earned the right to be bitter and jaded.  Doesn't make us fair weather.
 
Anyone else notice even his fellow Dolphin fan quibbles only with the "fairweather" modifier? Twat is right.
 

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bradmahn said:
Anyone else notice even his fellow Dolphin fan quibbles only with the "fairweather" modifier? Twat is right.
Really?  I thought it was evident that my "quibble" was with name-calling in general.   As wonderful a word as twat is, it seemed uncalled for.  Of course, fair weather was a low blow, too.

It also seemed evident that CC was being facetious.  Rendering the name-calling that much more unwarranted.  
 

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The Dolphins last playoff win was 15 years ago. I'd argue that anyone spending their personal time posting about this organization on a message board is far from fair-weather. 15 years! Show some compassion! :) 
 

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I'm scared of every game, especially division games. Dolphins fans have every right to feel better about their team. Were I a betting man, though, I'd lay the 8.
 

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Clears Cleaver said:
That and punish the WRs and backs after they catch the ball. Concussions are definitely in play for Amendola and Edelman. 15 yards is worth the helmet to helmet. 
 
Of course, we know the goal is to injure Brady and/or Gronk, so do what you need to do. I am looking forward to the Suh cheap shots. 
 
A smiley face, wink, or something indicating joke might have been helpful. Unless you are a complete asshole and actually meant it? For what it's worth (slightly more than jack shit coming from me) I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here.
 

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GeorgeCostanza said:
A smiley face, wink, or something indicating joke might have been helpful. Unless you are a complete asshole and actually meant it? For what it's worth (slightly more than jack shit coming from me) I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here.
 
Clears Cleaver said:
Pats dropped back 61 times and threw 9 times beyond 12 yards down the field. Really the pass rush doesn't matter much unless its third and long. Just stand there and put your hands up, that's more effective against that offense. That and punish the WRs and backs after they catch the ball. Concussions are definitely in play for Amendola and Edelman. 15 yards is worth the helmet to helmet. 
 
Of course, we know the goal is to injure Brady and/or Gronk, so do what you need to do. I am looking forward to the Suh cheap shots. 
 
But seriously, .....
Seriously, what the hell?
 

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Very cool you got a chance to get to the game.  Finally, something for the home crowd to party about.  I've seen them play here in Minnesota twice, but getting to a game in Miami some day is on my bucket list.
I've been a fan for darn near 25 years and had never been able to make the trip south to see a home game. I try to get to the game every year when they visit Foxborough (I haven't seen many wins over the last 15 years), so today, and in particular the first half, was almost therapeutic. It was a great experience.

Interestingly, though, the split between the top teams in the conference and the rest of the pack is about as wide as I can remember.   9 - 7 probably still won't get you in, but 10 wins looks very likely.  Can the Dolphins go 7 - 2 after Thursday's game?   
You know, as much of a beatdown as the first half was, some of those Texans' struggles were self-inflicted. It's exactly the type of shit you never see out of NE. I just don't think they're going to be able to survive the gauntlet of what's left with their divisional slate. Those home game losses against the Jets and Bills are going to be devastating. This team has never played well at the Ralph, and things have always been a struggle at the Meadowlands (Gillette goes without saying). For all that Campbell and Co. have accomplished the past two weeks, I don't see any of those things changing this season.
 

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You know, as much of a beatdown as the first half was, some of those Texans' struggles were self-inflicted. It's exactly the type of shit you never see out of NE. I just don't think they're going to be able to survive the gauntlet of what's left with their divisional slate. Those home game losses against the Jets and Bills are going to be devastating. This team has never played well at the Ralph, and things have always been a struggle at the Meadowlands (Gillette goes without saying). For all that Campbell and Co. have accomplished the past two weeks, I don't see any of those things changing this season.
Oh, I beg to differ.  Apparently you haven't seen Campbell's post-game speech.  All those Texan dropped passes weren't self-inflicted.  It's all about throwing your energy around, man!

http://www.miamidolphins.com/multimedia/videos/Inside-the-Locker-Room-After-Win-Over-the-Texans/e882bece-c9fa-41ee-9eca-52bf04144911

(For the record, I'm loving me some Dan Campbell.  How can you not?  That speech just cries out for a little extra special wacky-time love.)
 

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A smiley face, wink, or something indicating joke might have been helpful. Unless you are a complete asshole and actually meant it? For what it's worth (slightly more than jack shit coming from me) I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here.
I've been making this joke since the day they signed Suh as the only reason they'd spend $25m or whatever on a DT. To injure Brady. Then Vernon hurt Marriota and i brought it up again. I'll admit, the concussion angle was new.

My goodness.

One of the writers said Miami was 1-9 on third down. Quibble? That and red zone need to be a lot better going forward. The Pats and Jets get u into third down a lot more than fish have seen last two weeks
 

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I've been making this joke since the day they signed Suh as the only reason they'd spend $25m or whatever on a DT. To injure Brady. Then Vernon hurt Marriota and i brought it up again. I'll admit, the concussion angle was new.
My goodness.
One of the writers said Miami was 1-9 on third down. Quibble? That and red zone need to be a lot better going forward. The Pats and Jets get u into third down a lot more than fish have seen last two weeks
Ok sorry, not completely familiar with your work here but I gave you the benefit of the doubt anyway. You've suffered enough indignity with Huizenga.
 

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I think most Dolphins long for the Huizenga glory days. Lol. The Ross era has been worse I think.

Sounds like Brice McCain will be back Thursday. Not sure if that's a good thing or not
 

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Clears Cleaver said:
I think most Dolphins long for the Huizenga glory days. Lol. The Ross era has been worse I think.

Sounds like Brice McCain will be back Thursday. Not sure if that's a good thing or not
 
He can't play any worse than Jamar Taylor -- although he wasn't as awful yesterday. I'd be curious to see McCain on the outside, with the younger McCain staying in the slot. And can can Bowman get a little play? 
 
Taylor gets beat often and has been playing extremely soft. I expect him to get picked on quickly and often.
 

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GeorgeCostanza said:
A smiley face, wink, or something indicating joke might have been helpful. Unless you are a complete asshole and actually meant it? For what it's worth (slightly more than jack shit coming from me) I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here.
 
 
Really?  We were asked to refrain from calling others a derogatory term for a part of the female anatomy.
 

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Really?  We were asked to refrain from calling others a derogatory term for a part of the female anatomy.
 
Well, I don't know if I believe anyone is 100% an a-hole.
 

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As Fins' fans living in NE and/or posting on a mostly-Patriots board, the "I hope Suh ends Brady's life" and similar jokes are part of the group's daily repertoire. As I said prior, after the last 10+ years, you have to find some things to laugh about. I won't speak for everyone - but I'm sure I could - when I say that it's not serious. If Suh ended Brady's career in dirty fashion, I'd be disgusted. (And very upset, considering he'd probably be suspended for a game or two after Goodell delivers him a plaque behind closed doors.) I think most fans want to see their team play hard and clean. After all, we want to like these guys as people, too -- at least a little.
 

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As Fins' fans living in NE and/or posting on a mostly-Patriots board, the "I hope Suh ends Brady's like" and similar jokes are part of the group's daily repertoire. As I said prior, after the last 10+ years, you have to find some things to laugh about. I won't speak for everyone - but I'm sure I could - when I say that it's not serious. If Suh ended Brady's career in dirty fashion, I'd be disgusted. (And very upset, considering he'd probably be suspended for a game or two after Goodell delivers him a plaque behind closed doors.) I think most fans want to see their team play hard and clean. After all, we want to like these guys as people, too -- at least a little.
 
Yeah, I think we can end this digression--the post in question was written in a very standard, time honored joke format. No smiley was required and, frankly, the poster should be commended for joking because he's ambivalent about having to root for pieces of shit.
 
I get that a lot of people around here are very fond of Mr. Brady, but people gotta chill the fuck out.
 

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Sadly, the Dolphins dug themselves a nearly insurmountable hole early in the season, turning tonight's mid-season road matchup with the divisional leader and conference juggernaut from a "would be nice if we could steal a win" game to a darn-near must-win.  The saving grace, of course, is the mediocrity of the entire set of 2nd-tier teams in the AFC, putting the Dolphins within sniffing distance of playoff contention despite the disastrous 1st quarter of the season.  That said, as the euphoria emanating from this team fades, a loss tonight will deepen the hole and smacks us all back to reality.   So, short of an unlikely victory, what should Phins fans hope for from tonight's game? In other words, what are the next best case scenarios?  Furthermore, would they have a shot in hell of winning 8 of the next 10 games, the only realistic way the could expect to make it into the tournament?

Personally, aside from avoiding major injuries, I'd like to see the big guns continue to exhibit the type of play that had us all so optimistic about this team before the season started.  On the defensive side, Suh, Wake, Jones & co. need to dictate their will against a good team, proving they really do belong in the playoff conversation.  On offense, Tanny needs to sustain his recent progress with smart and quick decisions vs. a D that is capable of exploiting his weaknesses better than anyone, the O-line needs to continue to hold its own, and as others have alluded to, the role players need to pick up the slack for the playmakers (Landry & Miller), who will face the brunt of NE's effort to neutralize Miami's strengths.  I'd love to see a big game from one of Matthews/Stills/Parker, as well as Cameron.

If Miami makes a game out of this, I'll be cautiously optimistic about a nice second half+ run.  If they get abused, who knows what to think.

 
 

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The biggest positive from this game is that they won't be down 49-0 at the half which is exactly where they would have been if Philbin had been kept.
 
But yes, if they had shown up to play against the Jags and Bills they would be in much better position.
 

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I wouldn't call this a must win game. They're a game out of the wild card right now. Miami has played well on Thursdays lately, beating Buffalo and Cincy the last two years. I'm confident they will show up and it will be a competitive game. To echo Smas's point, they would be getting blown out in this game if JP was still at the helm. 
 

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I wouldn't call this a must win game. They're a game out of the wild card right now. Miami has played well on Thursdays lately, beating Buffalo and Cincy the last two years. I'm confident they will show up and it will be a competitive game. To echo Smas's point, they would be getting blown out in this game if JP was still at the helm. 
I'm not necessarily calling it that either.  Just that the likelihood is that they'll be two games out after the weekend, sinking them deeper into the hole they just started to climb out of.  Obviously they're not thinking this way, but realistically, fans ought to be thinking about how salvageable the season is after a loss tonight.  

For example, a ton of home games remaining might work to their favor--but they haven't exploited that advantage much in recent years.  By all accounts, there was a ton of energy at Sun-Life last week.  Let's hope they can keep generating that kind of excitement.
 

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If tonight is a must win their season is over already. It's October and they're in a bad AFC. Catching the Steelers or Jets won't be easy, but counting on winning the hardest game on the schedule doesn't feel remotely necessary.
 

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If tonight is a must win their season is over already. It's October and they're in a bad AFC. Catching the Steelers or Jets won't be easy, but counting on winning the hardest game on the schedule doesn't feel remotely necessary.
 
If anything, a win tonight would represent a huge, huge win they have in their back pocket, something to offset one of the losses they probably should have won against the Jags or Jets.
 

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If anything, a win tonight would represent a huge, huge win they have in their back pocket, something to offset one of the losses they probably should have won against the Jags or Jets.
Right. Beyond trying to win every game, I think Theo's "Win 95 Games" mantra applies in football -- something like "Go 5-3 in your 8 road games, go 6-2 or 5-3 in your home games, and that should be good enough."
 

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So, I actually thought the defense played decent. The offense just really left them out to dry. Dolphins ran into a buzz saw today. This Patriots offense is no fucking joke.
 

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So, I actually thought the defense played decent. The offense just really left them out to dry. Dolphins ran into a buzz saw today. This Patriots offense is no fucking joke.
 
The offense and special teams. Field position is underrated. The Wake injury was/is a killer. 
 

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So, I actually thought the defense played decent. The offense just really left them out to dry. Dolphins ran into a buzz saw today. This Patriots offense is no fucking joke.
I would concur. Despite the score, Miami's D played really well. If the offense could have done anything in the first half, that's a different game. I said Miller was a key to the game. They made it a point to stop him, and Miami's offense struggled as a result. Matthews was targeted in both INTs, and both times it looked like he and Tannehill were on different pages. On a short week, going against a team like the Pats, the odds of them winning were slim.

Wake went down, James went down early, and apparently Parker had a foot injury on one of the like 4 snaps he played. Not a great night health wise.

Rest up and get after Buffalo.
 

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I really hope Wake gets back as quickly as he can (while missing the Pats).  He is one of the best in the league at his position and watching him play is very enjoyable.
 

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sodenj5 said:
I would concur. Despite the score, Miami's D played really well. If the offense could have done anything in the first half, that's a different game. I said Miller was a key to the game. They made it a point to stop him, and Miami's offense struggled as a result. Matthews was targeted in both INTs, and both times it looked like he and Tannehill were on different pages. On a short week, going against a team like the Pats, the odds of them winning were slim.

Wake went down, James went down early, and apparently Parker had a foot injury on one of the like 4 snaps he played. Not a great night health wise.

Rest up and get after Buffalo.
Despite my comments in the Game Thread, I agree with this 100%.  The Dolphins are way, way better than they showed tonight.
 
Also, holy fucking punter.
 

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Initial reaction is Wake as an Achilles tear and is likely done for the year. MRI scheduled today to find out for sure. That's a major blow. Wake was playing at an all-pro level the last three weeks.
 
My best guess is Shelby becomes the primary DE on first and second downs, and Chris McCain becomes the pass rushing specialist they bring in on third downs. McCain has been working exclusively at DE the last three weeks since Campbell took over. 
 
News on Parker seems encouraging. He seems fine and will likely be active next week. 
 
Again, I don't think Miami is out of it by any stretch. They are still in the hunt for a wild card slot. They need to start winning divisional games though, and that starts next Sunday in Buffalo. 
 

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Yeah you have to think that next Saturday in Buffalo is basically an elimination match when it comes to making the playoffs in the AFC, especially if the Jets beat the Raiders. Loser of Phins-Bills will have 5 losses.
 

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Initial reaction is Wake as an Achilles tear and is likely done for the year. MRI scheduled today to find out for sure. That's a major blow. Wake was playing at an all-pro level the last three weeks.
 
Awful news for the Dolphins. It's far from certain that Wake, at his age/mileage, will regain his burst even after surgery/rehab.
 
FWIW, Dr. Awesome wrote about Achilles injuries for ITP
 

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I thought that the defense did what they could last night. Nobody is going to completely shut the Patriots down and the offense hung them out to dry time and again. Not that it was a dominating performance, but as respectable as 36 points can be. The offense? Wow. Just pitiful in every regard, the nadir being the Chandler Jones sack on what was practically a two man rush. 
 

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My heart sank watching Wake get carted off.  I would concur that if its a confirmed achilles tear, it could be a death knell for his career.  This organization let him down in a big way, never getting him a taste of postseason football.
 
As for the game, I didn't expect to win this one - but that was still a pretty discouraging performance.  The offense goes into funks where they just look terrible (nothing new to this year) and that performance last night was exhibit A.  Also worth noting, I thought Lazor's play calling sucked out loud in the first half when it was still a game.  Kudos to the Patriots for shutting down Miller and Co. but Lazor has to know that this offense can't be productive when they're abandoning the ground game.  You gotta find a way to get Miller going because when the opposition knows Tannehill is dropping back, its bad news.  The guy has zero pocket awareness.
 

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The oddest thing about Wake's injury, at the time, was that he appeared to just want a second to catch his breath or something.  He was serene.  If the Pats had been running the hurry-up, my initial reaction (based on his reaction) would be that he was faking an injury to slow the tempo.
 

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mcaqua said:
My heart sank watching Wake get carted off.  I would concur that if its a confirmed achilles tear, it could be a death knell for his career.  This organization let him down in a big way, never getting him a taste of postseason football.
 
To be fair, the organization signed him from the CFL and gave him a chance to be a legit NFL star. Obviously, you would have liked to see him get a crack at the postseason, but I don't think you can say the organization let Cam Wake down.
 
 

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The oddest thing about Wake's injury, at the time, was that he appeared to just want a second to catch his breath or something.  He was serene.  If the Pats had been running the hurry-up, my initial reaction (based on his reaction) would be that he was faking an injury to slow the tempo.

 
 
Yea, he wasn't writhing around or anything. Just chilling on the ground, took his helmet off, and was like, "well, fuck." Dude is pretty tough if he blew his Achilles out and was just laying there.
 

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Yeah you have to think that next Saturday in Buffalo is basically an elimination match when it comes to making the playoffs in the AFC, especially if the Jets beat the Raiders. Loser of Phins-Bills will have 5 losses.
Yeah, agreed completely. As a Pats fan I remember all too well in 2010 straight up humiliating the Jets 45-3 in a highly anticipated regular season game... only to lose the rematch in the Divisional Round.

The injuries the Dolphins suffered last night would concern me much more than the loss itself in some ways if I were rooting for that team.
 

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The classic story is that the player feels immediate pain similar to getting kicked in the back of the leg and is unable to bear weight on that leg due to both pain and weakness.
 
 

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Again, I don't think Miami is out of it by any stretch. They are still in the hunt for a wild card slot. They need to start winning divisional games though, and that starts next Sunday in Buffalo. 
 
Yeah, I just disagree with this.  They're going to go 1-5 in the division, there's no recovering from that.