2015 Broncos-Peyton's Retirement Party Sunday 1/24/16 3PM ET
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I don't bet on sports so maybe I have it backwards... but wouldn't making Denver less of an underdog serve to entice more bets on Denver? If Vegas felt there was too much money on NE and they want more bets on Denver, then they would reduce the spread on NE's win, wouldn't they?
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You've got it backwards I think. Think of it this way - at NE -5, NE has to win by more than 5 to win the bet for you. If a lot of money is coming in on Denver, moving the line to NE -3 would entice those on the fence to sway towards NE, because now they only have to win by 3+ to win the bet.
This is reminiscent of Obama's Nobel Peace Prize, complete with the implicit insult to the immediate predecessor.
I'm not sure about the insult, but you can certainly argue that others were more deserving of AFC Offensive Player of the week. Brock had 250 yards and 2 TDs against the Bears. Dalton had 315 yards and 2 TDs against the Cardinals. Yes, a worse completion percentage but also greater yardage totals and against better competition. Dalton also had 34 yards rushing (versus 4 yards for Brock).
DeAndre Hopkins had 118 yards in receptions and 2 TDs, and Spencer Ware had 96 yards rushing with 2 TDs.
for me as a razorback/broncos fan in college he beat the razorbacks awful so a lot of other qb lol but it was the 2003 2004 wild card games i am still pissed off about esp the 2004 game but basicy its media worship i mean only 1 SB win and NE shouild had won that year in all his playoff games he had the batter team in 60 % of the games and still lost
Credit to the Broncos. We were severely undermanned but they fought hard all game, clawed their way back when given some opportunities, and then made a bunch of big plays.
I still like our chances if we meet again with a healthier team.
Silver lining for Peyton haters like myself is that Osweiler is going to have to throw up some kind of obscene stinker in the next two weeks for Kubiak not to staple 18 to the bench for the rest of the season.
I still like our chances if we meet again with a healthier team.
Silver lining for Peyton haters like myself is that Osweiler is going to have to throw up some kind of obscene stinker in the next two weeks for Kubiak not to staple 18 to the bench for the rest of the season.
I don't see how you can say the Pats schedule is "easy" if they're without Gronk, Edelman, Amendola, Hightower and Collins for the next few weeks.
But dude, he looked at the records of the upcoming teams and then compared it to the Pats record. Are you looking for him to go beyond that? Let's be reasonable.
Patriots fans have to feel pretty good about playing that Denver team again if we have two of Edelman, Gronkowski, and Amendola back and the game is in Foxboro. Really moved the ball well against the vaunted Denver defense despite an incredible disparity in breaks that went against NE.
So what do people think of Brock? He made no stupid mistakes but did not really do much otherwise.
The final drive of regulation he has some very nice passes, to open but covered players (not wide open).
He looks like he could be good in the future, but I am not sure how far Denver can go with him this year,
The final drive of regulation he has some very nice passes, to open but covered players (not wide open).
He looks like he could be good in the future, but I am not sure how far Denver can go with him this year,
He looked fine for an inexperienced QB. The delayed rushes confused him but never forced him into the really big mistake. He took some sacks he shouldn't have. Seemed generally accurate and didn't get a lot of help from his receivers, DT had an atrocious day. Didn't come away from that saying "wow this guy is a stud in the making" or anything but he wasn't the tire fire 1/3 of the league runs out every week.
I'm looking forward to Peyton getting healthy and hearing how Elway and Kubiak justify keeping him on the bench, which they surely will do.
Huh? I'm looking at the quality of opponents on their schedule. Even if Gronk and Hightower don't play again in the regular season, the Pats will be favored in each of these games. Every team they play from here on out is worse than 3 of the 5 teams the Broncos have left (Cincinnati, Oakland, Pittsburgh). There not guaranteed victories, and winning the games will be more difficult w/ a depleted team, but each team they are playing from here on out ranges from mediocre to bad.
Yeah Titans at home and Eagle and Dolphin teams that have gone home for the winter are 60% of the remaining schedule. I'll be shocked if they don't go 3-2 even with all the injuries. Broncos schedule isn't a killer but it is definitely harder.
I don't share the same optimism. This is not the All-World Pats team of earlier this season, on either side of the ball. The Texans, Jets and Dolphins @ MIA could all give the current NE team a scare. Meanwhile, the winner of CIN @ DEN could run the table. I'm more worried about holding on to the bye than HFA at this point.
So, um, ... go Steelers! (just threw up in my mouth a little there).
I'm not saying they're close to a lock to get the #1. I'm just saying that, given the choice, I'd rather they play their slate of teams instead of Denvers 10/10.
Denver is getting 3 of the other 4 best teams in the AFC besides the Pats (and only avoiding KC) plus shitty San Diego twice. I don't think it's particularly close which schedule you'd rather play.
Two things:
1. CJ had a toe injury and I think it's now clear that he was hampered by it a lot.
2. Kubiak's system works best for the ground game with the QB taking snaps under center (which Brock is doing). Manning took 90% of his snaps from shotgun or pistol. I think it has had a huge impact.
The "vaunted Denver defense" you mention played almost all of last night without starters DE Demarcus Ware, DT Sylvester Williams and SS T.J. Ward. If those guys are back for a rematch I think both sides of that matchup will be much stronger.
Curious to hear what Pats fans thought of Osweiler.
My take (after the admittedly small samples size of snaps, granted):
The Bad: I think his worst tendency is the hold the ball a little too long and not throw it away when he has no open receivers and is about to get sacked (the play early when he took the sack that pushed them out of FG territory is a prime example), but that's not exactly an uncommon trait in your QBs. His INT last night was the result of the tipped pass and then bad luck with the bounce going to the defender, but he had several other balls get tipped at the line of scrimmage too, so that's something they need to work on (the OL bears some responsibility there for not making their blocks, of course). He also threw behind receivers in some key spots and lacked accuracy on some short/intermediate routes that hurt the offense. Needs work throwing accurately when he's under impending pressure.
The Good: He seems to have the mental ability to roll with what the game gives him and not get flustered. Even when plays failed, he had the team right back in the huddle and working on the next play. He seemed to avoid shrinking when the stakes got higher. He didn't get totally flustered by NE's defensive schemes (he spoke in the post-game interview about how NE came out and showed him looks that he did not recognize from tape and that they had to work them out as the game wore on). He audibled a few key times (including the final TD play in OT). Mechanically I like the way he throws the ball (good spiral, keeps the nose of the ball pointed down a lot like Brady does in the short passing game) and his deep balls were well thrown and a few were perfectly placed.
In general, I'm feeling pretty good about his potential. If he can keep up the quality of play for several more weeks, I think Denver will do what they can to re-sign him and hand him the team in 2016. The impending rebuild purgatory after Manning might not be all that bad if what we have seen in Brock these last 2 weeks is his true talent level.
My take (after the admittedly small samples size of snaps, granted):
The Bad: I think his worst tendency is the hold the ball a little too long and not throw it away when he has no open receivers and is about to get sacked (the play early when he took the sack that pushed them out of FG territory is a prime example), but that's not exactly an uncommon trait in your QBs. His INT last night was the result of the tipped pass and then bad luck with the bounce going to the defender, but he had several other balls get tipped at the line of scrimmage too, so that's something they need to work on (the OL bears some responsibility there for not making their blocks, of course). He also threw behind receivers in some key spots and lacked accuracy on some short/intermediate routes that hurt the offense. Needs work throwing accurately when he's under impending pressure.
The Good: He seems to have the mental ability to roll with what the game gives him and not get flustered. Even when plays failed, he had the team right back in the huddle and working on the next play. He seemed to avoid shrinking when the stakes got higher. He didn't get totally flustered by NE's defensive schemes (he spoke in the post-game interview about how NE came out and showed him looks that he did not recognize from tape and that they had to work them out as the game wore on). He audibled a few key times (including the final TD play in OT). Mechanically I like the way he throws the ball (good spiral, keeps the nose of the ball pointed down a lot like Brady does in the short passing game) and his deep balls were well thrown and a few were perfectly placed.
In general, I'm feeling pretty good about his potential. If he can keep up the quality of play for several more weeks, I think Denver will do what they can to re-sign him and hand him the team in 2016. The impending rebuild purgatory after Manning might not be all that bad if what we have seen in Brock these last 2 weeks is his true talent level.
I think he has a future at least as a below-average starter/journeyman type. That might sound like I'm damning him with faint praise but few guys reach even that level. Whether he can be even better and settle in as a Top 15 or even Top 10 guy for the next 6-7 years is really impossible to say at this point.
I had many of the same observations as you. He didn't shrink from the moment, didn't make any horrendously bad throws or decisions (I don't really blame him for the INT), and threw a couple really good deep balls, especially given the conditions. But a number of shorter throws were off target, he struggled when having to go deep into his progressions or improvise in the pocket, and I didn't see him make any really tough passes where he had to throw a receiver open or fit the ball into a really tight window. For him to hit that next level, he'll have to improve in all those areas and maybe he will.
I've said this in the past, but having 2 full games to watch him in action has cemented it: I think Osweiler's ceiling is Joe Flacco. I don't expect him to be able to be Montana or Favre, but a guy like Flacco seems like his top potential.
You can win a lot of football games with a guy like Flacco under center. Especially if you pair that with a good defense. If he can grow into that type of play, I'm happy.
You can win a lot of football games with a guy like Flacco under center. Especially if you pair that with a good defense. If he can grow into that type of play, I'm happy.
I think that's a good upside comparison.
Unless some big weaknesses get exposed next week, I don't see how they go back to Manning.
The timing and schedule all point to a decision after next weekend. That's when they said Manning would be healthy. Plus, if you go back to Manning, you probably don't want his first game to be @PIT on the road, likely in the bitter cold, or the subsequent showdown with CIN. You want him to have a softer game to get back into rhythm and also to avoid the immense QB controversy that would occur if you make a controversial decision to go back to Manning and then he totally craps the bed in his first game because you set him up to fail. Oakland at home isn't a pushover but that defense is not very good. So I think if you go back to Manning, you have to do it for the Oakland game.
But if you make the call after next week, what are they going on at this point? Osweiler has won two games, turned the ball over only once (and that was a bit unlucky), made some key throws, and the running game with him under center has looked so much better. Are they really going to throw that away and go back to Peyton in the shotgun and the spread offense? Combine all that with the broader context in which Kubiak's interests are long term, they have a big incentive not to jerk Osweiler around since he can bolt as an FA if he wants, etc. I just don't see a return to Manning unless Osweiler looks really bad against San Diego.
Aside from holding the ball too long which might be correctable with experience, the one knock i would have is that his release sort of negates his height advantage. At 6'8" he shouldn't be getting balls batted at the line but there were a few last night. Again, with experience he might be able to see routes and shuffle himself into a window to get passes unobstructed.
Yeah, he has a bit of a 3/4 side arm angle and you're right that he effectively gives away a foot of his height. I wonder if that's correctable or if tinkering with that does more damage than good.
6' 8" of course is really tall, but aren't a ton of other QBs almost that height? Brady's 6'4, Flacco's 6'6, Bledsoe was 6'5,
Roethlisberger is 6 '5. I'm not sure an extra inch or two makes a huge difference in the ability to avoid batted balls.
Roethlisberger is 6 '5. I'm not sure an extra inch or two makes a huge difference in the ability to avoid batted balls.
This is exactly what I was thinking last night. Flacco is a great comparison. He will learn to get rid of the ball quicker and he is tough for one guy to bring down with his size and good feet.
Are you willing to cut Clady & Ware this offseason to keep him? If he plays at last night's level the rest of the year he is going to earn a Kaepernick type deal at $12-15M per year. You already have to use the tag on Von Miller, so other cuts are going to have to happen.
This may be the only time their names are included in the same sentence, but if Os can put together a mini version of the run Brady out together in 2001, Manning will never hit the field again in a Bronco uniform. Tom WAS a game manager in "01. Yes, he made plays, but his main accomplishments were moving the chains and avoiding major eff ups, and that will be good enough. Manning Incorporated will ignite the pity party and start the outrage machine, with the four letter occupying center stage. but Elway won't give a shit.
Well, they spent their "referee aided miracle/robbery in the snow" game last night. That leaves them with the "incredible special teams domination" and "stupid opposing coach refuses to use his hall of fame player" miracle games to play
You forgot the "lay your WR out to dry, have him get concussed and fumble but had a body part out of bounds so it got overturned" game, as well as the "have the team you are fighting for a bye with choke down the stretch with 3 straight losses to end the season" (sorry gunfighter)
I refer to that game as the "what a party" game, because in the NFL highlights there is a Jets fan dancing and laughing it up with the Jets up 13-0 at halftime. Then Vinny was Vinny and threw two second half picks.
EVERY SINGLE TIME a post like this happens next to your avatar, I just lose it. I know. I'm like, 12.
Clady is either cut or restructured into a much smaller cap hit deal. The guy just can't stay healthy enough to eat up that cap.
Ware may end up a goner too (guy brings it when he plays, but can he give you 16 games?).
Manning being cut will bring in a bunch of cap space but like you said, Von and potentially Brock will eat that up, and unless Brock is a charitable guy with no business sense and signs a Denver-friendly deal, there are a bunch of QB starved teams who will want to offer him money.
It's going to be a series of tough calls for sure, but the QB alternatives are scary.
Both have high ankle sprains are day-to-day.
Something I read implied that Ward's sprain was the lighter of the two, but I don't think we'll know anything about when they return until late this week. I have to assume neither will be ready for Sunday in SD.
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