RT @SamAmicoFSO: Celtics, Timberwolves among those expressing interest in former No. 2 overall draft pick Evan Turner (Sixers/Pacers).
They also need to shed salary. There must be another move.wutang112878 said:WTF? He is like Jeff Green with less 3pt shooting, more rebounding and less upside. I'm befuddled.
MainerInExile said:They also need to shed salary. There must be another move.
Grin&MartyBarret said:Don't need to shed salary to use the MLE.
Oh, my bad then, I thought they were a couple of million into the tax.wutang112878 said:Bogan's money can be taken off the books at like anytime right? So I think they have some wiggle room. And I think the luxury tax is going up a bit too
According to Coon & CBAFAQ the luxury tax is $76M, so they have plenty of space.
wutang112878 said:WTF? He is like Jeff Green with less 3pt shooting, more rebounding and less upside. I'm befuddled.
MainerInExile said:
Sure, but they're in the luxury tax, and I think most assume they'll want to be under that line. You know, since they suck and all.
This about sums it up I suppose. Veteran bench filler to shuffle the deck and add some depth to play competitively. He's this years version of Humphries......one lost his playoff minutes to Reggie Evans corpse prior to landing here and the other to Rasual Butler's.Jed Zeppelin said:
Well, he's cheap and young. Nothing is going to move the needle for this team in '14-'15 anyway, so might as well take a shot on a buy-low opportunity. Not that Turner is who I would have chosen, but I guess if it helps keep Wallace off the court...
Jed Zeppelin said:
Well, he's cheap and young. Nothing is going to move the needle for this team in '14-'15 anyway, so might as well take a shot on a buy-low opportunity. Not that Turner is who I would have chosen, but I guess if it helps keep Wallace off the court...
Statman said:
The Celtics are above the salary cap, but not close to the luxury tax level ($77M).
Right now the Celtics are around $64M for committed salaries for next season. The reports say that Turned received a "portion" of the MLE so even if we give him a generous $4M, the Celtics are still about $9M under the luxury tax threshold.
wade boggs chicken dinner said:Turner is this year's Jordan Crawford. Maybe Stevens can "coach him up" and we can get some assets for him at the deadline since he has a reasonable contract.
Besides, if I had to have Turner at, say $3M as opposed to Johnson or Babb at just under 1, I think I'd rather have Turner. Unless I'm not trying to win any games.
Where are you getting that from? According to Shamsports, they currently have 18 players under contract and $78M in salary commitments.
However the point still stands that they aren't going to pay the luxury tax - as the $78M includes Bogans ($5.3M) and Johnson, Babb, and Pressey (total approximately $2.6M).
Fyi, Pressey's $816k is now guaranteed since we didn't waive him by the deadline last week. We have 15 players under contract but still plenty of time to continue reshuffling the deck (of the Titantic).wade boggs chicken dinner said:Turner is this year's Jordan Crawford. Maybe Stevens can "coach him up" and we can get some assets for him at the deadline since he has a reasonable contract.
Besides, if I had to have Turner at, say $3M as opposed to Johnson or Babb at just under 1, I think I'd rather have Turner. Unless I'm not trying to win any games.
Where are you getting that from? According to Shamsports, they currently have 18 players under contract and $78M in salary commitments.
However the point still stands that they aren't going to pay the luxury tax - as the $78M includes Bogans ($5.3M) and Johnson, Babb, and Pressey (total approximately $2.6M).
I think there is trouble finding a trading partner that wants him either on a one-year deal or at a new max deal. Ainge may find himself stuck with a lame duck PG knowing he's out the door which could make for a difficult situation for Stevens in coaching the team.bowiac said:Rondo is definitely getting traded?
I agree this is the end of the Rondo era, but there seems to be a good chance the Celtics can't get a return for him at all, and just keep him rather than take what Danny thinks is a subpar return.
Well he was already that kind of guy just 3 years after signing a 12-year extension with Butler when he stated, "First and foremost, I'm loyal to Butler." Last I checked, 12-year extensions were unheard of as well.wutang112878 said:First off, I dont think Stevens is that kind of guy. Look at the loyalty he had to Butler, which probably wasnt paying the top dollar he could have got at other college jobs and was a difficult place to recruit. Plus you dont typically walk away from NBA contracts because legally you cant just break them like you can in college, and the guys who have gotten out of NBA deals to go back to college are usually guys like Tim Floyd who the team basically wanted to fire anyway so it was really a blessing for the team that he was leaving.
Stevens signed a 6 year deal which is absolutely unheard of for a first time NBA coach. He knew the challenge he was going to have coming in, and he signed up for it anyway. If he really wanted a better NBA situation, he is smart enough to realize the better path would have been to to upgrade schools for 3-4 years to a bigger school to draw more attention and then make his NBA move, but he didnt. The guy is the 2nd coming of Red with Red's loyalty so he isnt going anywhere. Ok, my man-crush got the best of me on that last part, but I dont think he is going anywhere
"He doesn’t need advice from me," Popovich said. "He's already a good coach in his own stead. But in this league with the number of games and as talented as teams are, when you just come into the league, patience is probably a big commodity -- especially in someone's situation who's used to winning night after night. It's a little different when you're rebuilding a program.
HomeRunBaker said:Fyi, Pressey's $816k is now guaranteed since we didn't waive him by the deadline last week. We have 15 players under contract but still plenty of time to continue reshuffling the deck (of the Titantic).
I expect at least one move to occur that would keep Johnson around.
With today's 15-man rosters and Pressey's performance last year he'd be scooped up in a heartbeat. Let's not forget this is a league where Ish Smith is still hanging around and Russ Smith is signing a guaranteed deal.wade boggs chicken dinner said:
right forgot about Pressey, txs. Personally I would have cut him and tried to resign him - don't see that there's a huge market for him - but the Cs love him so good for him.
wutang112878 said:First off, I dont think Stevens is that kind of guy. Look at the loyalty he had to Butler, which probably wasnt paying the top dollar he could have got at other college jobs and was a difficult place to recruit. Plus you dont typically walk away from NBA contracts because legally you cant just break them like you can in college, and the guys who have gotten out of NBA deals to go back to college are usually guys like Tim Floyd who the team basically wanted to fire anyway so it was really a blessing for the team that he was leaving.
I'd say the veteran coaches don't as they understand the importance of life balance, that it's 1 game of 82, and the NBA is a business.Rudy Pemberton said:Are there successful veteran coaches out there who don't "take losing very hard"?
HomeRunBaker said:There are a number of great college coaches who failed in the NBA for a number of reasons. It's well known that Stevens takes his losses home with him rather than leaving it at the arena which is a big red flag. We haven't ever seen an NBA coach have a college offer on the table that dwarfed his NBA salary......that doesn't mean it can't/won't occur in the future.
Finally yes.....with rare exceptions an NBA coach is as fungible as the teams 7th/8th man and with NBA players more and more being individual entities with their own trainers/team of advisors it is far different than coaching is at any other level. Very little control.
Miami and OKC have had tremendous success despite having mediocre at best head coaches.....they did so because the star players affect the results much more than the coach does at the NBA level. Difference makers are once in a generation coaches, Larry Brown and Popovich are two......it's precisely why I couldn't care less if Stevens stays or goes. As long as Ainge puts out a 28-win product we will remain a 28-win team with or without Stevens.wutang112878 said:
What you cited specifically though is NBA coaches who get out of existing contracts and leave for college. My contention is that this is pretty rare, unless their team wants to fire them which the Celtics do not want to do with Stevens.
Now for mediocre teams the coach isnt that important, although I'd argue that Stevens really helps put his players, even the crappy ones he has, in a position to succeed. However, for good teams that are actually going for a title I think the head coach is more important than you are suggesting. Its pretty rare that teams can come close to making a run without a good coach or tremendous talent (ie OKC). I wouldnt want to lose Stevens because with the logic of 'he is easy to replace'. Take a look at some recent hirings and cite some examples where more often than not teams can go hire a difference maker, I think those coaches are pretty difficult to find. If you cant then I think we can conclude difference makers coaches are tough to find which is why I want to keep Stevens.