Why Do I Continue to Read Peter King?

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From today's MMQB:
 
So I ran the 6.2-mile Central Park loop Saturday morning (58:33—hey, anyone ever notice it’s different running on a windy 47-degree morning, with real hills, than it is on a flat treadmill in the basement of a health club?), and found myself trailing for nearly a mile a woman having a great time running and chatting away on her cell phone. She had one of those earpieces, the kind with two earbuds and then the mike somehow affixed between her lower lip and chin. We were both running about the same pace, about 9.5-minute miles, up and down the slight grades of the beautiful park, and I was interested in her conversation with—I believe—a girlfriend on the other end of the conversation.
 
 
In one paragraph we have:
 
-Location check
-Dumbass question
-Creepy eavesdropping
 

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Did stalker weirdo @SI_PeterKing stop to think the broad stayed on her phone b/c a skunk haired creep was tailing her around Central Park?
— WWII Felger (@GrandMoffelger) April 27, 2015



Did stalker weirdo @SI_PeterKing stop to think the broad stayed on her phone b/c a skunk haired creep was tailing her around Central Park?

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From today's MMQB:
 
 
In one paragraph we have:
 
-Location check
-Dumbass question
-Creepy eavesdropping
 
47 degrees is typically considered almost optimal running temperature (most experts say 55 is perfect).  As for "wind", the average wind speed for Central Park on Saturday was 6 MPH, which is negligible.  It was also sunny that day.   So, King is complaining about nearly perfect running weather for the purpose of making himself look tough, or something. 
 
Seems about right.
 
As for "hills", well...I guess it has a few bumps, but its not what anyone would consider a "hilly course."  Unless you live in Kansas, it's pretty flat.  And, since it's a loop, you get an equal amount of downhill.
 
Oh, and it's officially only 6.1 miles.
 

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The humblebrag about his time is the best part.  Nobody cares how fast Peter King runs, and it's not relevant to his story about the woman.  He just wants everyone to know that he can run that course in "difficult conditions" in under an hour.  
 
How much do you want to bet he paused the timing when he stopped every mile to catch his breath?
 

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47 degrees is typically considered almost optimal running temperature (most experts say 55 is perfect).  As for "wind", the average wind speed for Central Park on Saturday was 6 MPH, which is negligible.  It was also sunny that day.   So, King is complaining about nearly perfect running weather for the purpose of making himself look tough, or something. 
 
Seems about right.
 
As for "hills", well...I guess it has a few bumps, but its not what anyone would consider a "hilly course."  Unless you live in Kansas, it's pretty flat.  And, since it's a loop, you get an equal amount of downhill.
 
Oh, and it's officially only 6.1 miles.
 
And yet, amazingly, he still managed to tough it out, even while keeping pace with a person who was chatting on the phone the entire time. He probably was sucking wind and couldn't have strung two words together at the time.
 

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The hardest part of running the CP loop is the crowding- people, horses, pedicabs, bikers, etc. It's a long list of obstacles. The hilly part is way down the list of problems. But hey, The Hills of Midtown Manhattan have eyes. And ears.
 

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The Central Park loop is pretty hilly and it's a challenging run if you're going for 6 minute miles. If you're going for 10 minute miles, no course is challenging because you're almost walking.
 

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We've been down this path. Let's not get running elitist. Anyone going for a run is good so let's not go crazy on distances and times.
 
Instead, let's focus on what's worse - no one gives a fuck that Peter King went for a run. This is one more story that pretends to have a point - "Hey, a lady was talking!" - while actually being an excuse to talk about Peter King and how rad he is.
 

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Not that I'm in great shape or anything but for a guy that professes to work out constantly Peter King does not exactly appear to be Mr. Svelte.
 

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You mean like how the same week he whines and complains about the Deflategate report taking forever Goodell shifts from "the report will be done when it's done" to "it will be done soon"?

Also, just to be clear, I'm not dinging PK for being out of shape – just writing about his exercise regimen ad nauseum. In, you know, a football column.
 

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PK the disabled doubting, kid swindling, veteran insensitive, lady stalker. I'm sure I've left out 10 others.

We've said it at least 200 times in this thread but my god the self awareness he lacks. Bad enough that he actually listened in on a conversation, worse that he found it ok to publicize. But we should be thankful for it gives us endless fodder for our entertainment.

I've missed you all, glad to be home.
 

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So I ran the 6.2-mile Central Park loop Saturday morning (58:33—hey, anyone ever notice it’s different running on a windy 47-degree morning, with real hills, than it is on a flat treadmill in the basement of a health club?), and found myself trailing for nearly a mile a woman having a great time running and chatting away on her cell phone. She had one of those earpieces, the kind with two earbuds and then the mike somehow affixed between her lower lip and chin. We were both running about the same pace, about 9.5-minute miles, up and down the slight grades of the beautiful park, and I was interested in her conversation with—I believe—a girlfriend on the other end of the conversation.
 
 
Wow. He really is an a-hole of epic proportions. Nearly a mile at the same pace? Right. One half of the two of you was adjusting the pace to stay close enough for listening. Hey really goes to great lengths to talk about himself which makes him just seem more ridiculous.
 

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Other reports say Gregory was either bipolar or had some other personality disorder that made it difficult for him to focus on football, or anything, for long periods. Gregory, without question, was a top-10 value on talent alone. But he tumbled down so many draft boards because of his character flaws.
 
 

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https://twitter.com/SI_PeterKing/status/595241226720440320
 
https://twitter.com/SI_PeterKing/status/595241903102230528
 

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So, reset the notice back to "0 weeks since a dumb statement in my article on a major website that I have to apologize for".
 

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The adoring fans in response to those tweets are brutal.

Way to man up, Pete!

Mulligan!

The pile ons are just as bad, but it's truly amazing that PK has true sycophants.
 

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"Good for all of you to point it out" translates to YOU MOTHERFUCKERS CAN'T GIVE ME A BREAK.
 

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How did Peter King become the biggest name in football writing? This isn't a rhetorical question, between the terrible writing syntax, the almost weekly apologies, the axe-grinding and overall boring forays into his personal life; how did the name Peter King become synonymous with "NFL Insider"?
 

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From KSK:
 

"His insightful, edgy, challenge-the-status-quo contribution to The MMQB has been a huge reason that we’ve been able to make the jump from iffy microsite startup to a major factor in the football media business in two years."
 
WOW! What an underdog story is this corporate website with substantial funding and promotion from one of the most recognizable sports publications in existence. It’s a wonder they even made rent the first month. Christ, I bet Peter loves giving lectures about how he pulled himself up by his bootstraps. “I’m a self-made man, really,” he explains his overwhelmed barista.
 
 
 

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John Marzano Olympic Hero said:
How did Peter King become the biggest name in football writing? This isn't a rhetorical question, between the terrible writing syntax, the almost weekly apologies, the axe-grinding and overall boring forays into his personal life; how did the name Peter King become synonymous with "NFL Insider"?
 
I'm guessing it's a mix of that young Peter King was willing to write a lot, and that in the pre-internet explosion name, having your name on the byline of most big NFL stories for Sports Illustrated meant that people assumed he had legitimate authority on the subject. And on a comparison basis, he might have. I wasn't around for young King. But he gamed the old journalism system to a point that he was THE name, and that legacy has carried him for a long time. Basically, he put his name in your face so much you remembered it. "My articles may not be good, but there's a lot of them!"
 

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I'm guessing it's a mix of that young Peter King was willing to write a lot, and that in the pre-internet explosion name, having your name on the byline of most big NFL stories for Sports Illustrated meant that people assumed he had legitimate authority on the subject. And on a comparison basis, he might have. I wasn't around for young King. But he gamed the old journalism system to a point that he was THE name, and that legacy has carried him for a long time. Basically, he put his name in your face so much you remembered it. "My articles may not be good, but there's a lot of them!"
 
I think he also managed to cultivate a rather large audience for his online column at a time when the internet didn't have a lot of great options for instant analysis.  He loves Bruce Springsteen, he tells stories about his kids all the time, he complains about the little idiosyncrasies involved with modern, every-day human interaction, he genuflects at all stories involving "the troops", and he's good for a neat little yarn or two very week about NFL players and coaches, past and present.  His voice resonates with a large portion of the NFL fanbase, and as a result he's developed a very loyal and substantial following.  In analogy form: 
 
Peter King : middle-aged, white, middle to upper-middle class males :: Bill Simmons : younger, sports-obsessed guys in or just out of college
 

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How did Peter King become the biggest name in football writing? This isn't a rhetorical question, between the terrible writing syntax, the almost weekly apologies, the axe-grinding and overall boring forays into his personal life; how did the name Peter King become synonymous with "NFL Insider"?
 
Aside from the stuff that others have pointed out, I assume he's shown a willingness to do the bidding for those on the "inside"  long before I started paying close attention to him. Once the insiders treat you like an insider, you are an insider.
 

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Peter King : middle-aged, white, middle to upper-middle class males :: Bill Simmons : younger, sports-obsessed guys in or just out of college
 
This nails it. With the internet in its nascent stages, both were in the white place at the white time.
 

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In addition to the disgraceful comments on Randy Gregory, I'm taking umbrage with the following.  Umbrage:
  1. Repeatedly naming the accuser in the Winston sexual assault investigation = I got your back, Jameis; I expect weekly access moving forward.
  2. Trent Baalke: GM of the meetings = most others thought he was cray cray, but he's a source so he did GREAT!
  3. Kevin White gets his earrings at Claire's = I have failed to notice the bajillion Claire's that infest every mall, but I'm tech-savvy so I got on the information superhighway and researched this.
  4. Chip Kelly tells his players to ignore what the media says, then PK ignores Kelly's other proclamation humiliating Evan Mathis in the media by emphasizing his availability with no offers = PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE talk to me!
  5. Marshall Faulk stands alone at the NFLN by refusing to participate in Draft Weekend festivities at Wrigley = what a stupid, bitter old man
 

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The Bucs hired private investigators to check out Winston, who’d been accused of, but not charged with, sexual assault. Twice he was exonerated by prosecutors, and once by the university after a probe by a Florida state supreme court justice found insufficient evidence to charge Winston with sexual assault. This was a great test of the innocent-till-proven-guilty mantra in the American justice system, and the authorities could not prosecute Winston. So Winston passed the test. “He kept checking every box,” Licht said.
 
 
No, no and No.  It's like King doesn't even read his own columns, where Lovie Smith said, a few paragraphs later, something a lot less high minded.
 
But then there was a serious accusation we had to come to grips with. [The accusation that he sexually assaulted a Florida State student, Kinsman.] That was investigated three times. No charges were filed. I understand something happened. But when do you get to the point where you say, ‘We have to let the courts decide, and we abide by their ruling?’ They did not charge Jameis with anything. And at that point, I am going to make the judgment that I am not going to hold this incident against him.”
 
 
 
 
Offensive line coach Paul Alexander texted Fisher on Friday to tell him sorry, but in the Bengals’ eyes, Ogbuehi would have been a top-five player without being hurt, and Cincinnati couldn’t pass him up. “Thanks for being honest,” Fisher texted back.
 
 
"Thanks for sharing a text I sent to YOU with Peter Effing King."
 
9. I think the problem with the 24/7 media culture surrounding pro football was on display with the crab legs picture that Jameis Winston posted on Instagram. I get the bad imagery. I don’t get the this-shows-immaturity thing.
 
so he thinks a mature person would disseminate this sort of imagery?
 

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In addition to the disgraceful comments on Randy Gregory, I'm taking umbrage with the following.  Umbrage:
  • Repeatedly naming the accuser in the Winston sexual assault investigation = I got your back, Jameis; I expect weekly access moving forward.
Agreed. It's actually awful that he names her even once, outrageous that he does it multiple times.

Of all the things I don't like about PK, his repeated dunderheadedness about women—and cluelessness about why he is saying the wrong thing—is at the top of the list.
 

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"Good for all of you to point it out" translates to YOU MOTHERFUCKERS CAN'T GIVE ME A BREAK.
 
He changed it, but he didn't note the correction in the column itself.  Flushing mistakes down the memory hole like that is one of my pet peeves among those who call themselves "serious journalists" on the internet (while mocking those they deem as not-serious). 
 

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John Marzano Olympic Hero said:
How did Peter King become the biggest name in football writing?
 
Reading his raw copy gave Paul Zimmermann a stroke
 

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This nails it. With the internet in its nascent stages, both were in the white place at the white time.
 
This deserves praise.  
 
I praise it.
 
E5 Yaz said:
 
Reading his raw copy gave Paul Zimmermann a stroke
Yeouch...
 
Seriously though, I did once enjoy King's writing. I was a little bored by the tales of high school softball, but the position of "She's my daughter and I love her and I'll write about her team, even if it takes away from football for 5 seconds" is defensible as opposed to "I like coffee so I'm going to talk about Starbucks."
 

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John Marzano Olympic Hero said:
How did Peter King become the biggest name in football writing? This isn't a rhetorical question, between the terrible writing syntax, the almost weekly apologies, the axe-grinding and overall boring forays into his personal life; how did the name Peter King become synonymous with "NFL Insider"?
 
This is a very interesting question.
 
In trying to come up with an answer, I thought to myself, Peter King wasn't that bad in his younger days. But I wasn't sure if this was just a combination of faulty memory and the lack of many other options on the internet back in those days, so I just dug up one of his old columns from 2003 and read through it.
 
There are definitely shades of his present writing (bad travel anecdotes, poor grammar, lots of useless filler), but reading the column for 2003, one thing that stands out to me is the actual football related portion of it is, at the very least, decent, and he presents a very clearly defined anti-League opinion, which he'd never do today.
 
 
I also hear that when the players met with NFLPA executive director Gene Upshaw, he told them, basically, "Don't worry. This will all go away after the season." Well, Tagliabue hasn't said that. He hasn't said the�NFL has given up the right to re-test the old samples, which the league absolutely should not be able to do, in my humble opinion. Until Tagliabue says that, this story's an open book.
 
But this is a chance for the NFL to avoid picking a fight with the NFLPA, which is the most cooperative players' union in all of sports. Why tick it off? I don't understand why Tagliabue isn't taking the chance to throw this issue away.
 
From the "10 things I think I think" section:
 
 
5. I think these are my non-football thoughts of the week:
 
a. I don't want to get too excited about Clocks by Coldplay, but it just might be one of the 20 best songs of all time. The louder the better. For a month I haven't been able to get it off my brain.
 
b. Coffeenerdness: It has been a long time since I have complained about the quality of coffee drinks at Starbucks. But this drives me nuts. It's egg nog latte season, as you all know (Of course! How could you not?), and the egg nog latte is ridiculously different at various Starb's nationwide.
 
Starb's?
 
Anyway, it's clear that he was putting in more effort at the time. But at the same time, there were obvious signs of what was to come.
 
https://web.archive.org/web/20031203220421/http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2003/writers/peter_king/12/01/mmqb/index.html
 

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Well, I suspect his actual SI articles from back in the day (i.e. the late 80s and early 90s or so) were much more traditional reporting.  He also wrote some books that look like serious efforts, including this and this.  
 
His demise was due to the internet, where he was allowed unfettered ability to spout whatever he wanted.  I think his devolution is just a long, slow, slide that resulted from nobody ever reining him in, and he just got lazier and lazier.    In the end, he realized he could make just as much money writing MMQB and putting out books like this than he ever could before doing "serious" sports journalism.
 

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Perhaps his downfall is not due to a change in his writing but rather due to a change in the editorial oversight.
 

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Do we have different definitions of "unfettered" or "reining in"?
 

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I wonder what other songs an over-eager Peter King has quickly consecrated. 
 
'98: "Guys, call me crazy, but 'Jumper' by 3rd Eye Blind just might be a top-5 song of all time. Great rhythm, powerful message. I bet it's already saved a lot of lives and gotten a bunch of depression-sufferers back on the right track."
 
'87: "Far be it from me to condone the so-called 'dead-head' lifestyle (not a lot of big goals there, huh folks?), but this new tune making the rounds by Jerry & co. ('Touch of Grey') may just be the best thing to come out of that whole culture. Big fan. Blasted it in the new Caddy on the way home yesterday with the windows down.  You should have seen the looks.  I have to think a lot of regular people were moved by its simple message."
 
'85: "With 'WTGGTTTGG', Billy Ocean finally cracks the code.  It's a distinctive blend of soulful motivation that - if you're ready to hear it - can really put some zip in your step.  The official soundtrack to 'Jewel of the Nile', and The Summer of King.  (Given the USFL's struggles of late, I hope Herschel Walker has a copy for his Herschel 'Walkman'. Listen to the lyrics, Herschel!)"
 

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King leads his column today with Winston and Clark's domestic violence accusations and Gregory's drug and mental health issues.

First off, it's just wonderful that these three "topics" are pretty much all anyone can talk about when it comes to their signature offseason event, the draft. And hey! Let's not forget that Lael Collins is still out there!

Second, gotta love that King continues to name Winston's accuser every time he mentions her. Literally every time. Just like he feels like it's his "duty" to follow the bylaws around the HOF voting and the eligibility of Darren "50 Rapes for 50 States" Sharper, King seems compelled to follow the unofficial guideline that permits the media to use the name of the accuser once the charges have either been dropped or dismissed, notwithstanding the fact that publishing her name in a publication as widely read as SI is tasteless at best and dangerous at worst. It reminds me once again why the Rice thing happened at all: it's like the entire league is in desperate need of immersive sensitivity training.
 

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I wonder what other songs an over-eager Peter King has quickly consecrated. 
 
'98: "Guys, call me crazy, but 'Jumper' by 3rd Eye Blind just might be a top-5 song of all time. Great rhythm, powerful message. I bet it's already saved a lot of lives and gotten a bunch of depression-sufferers people with character flaws back on the right track."
 
 
FTFY.
 

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King leads his column today with Winston and Clark's domestic violence accusations and Gregory's drug and mental health issues.

First off, it's just wonderful that these three "topics" are pretty much all anyone can talk about when it comes to their signature offseason event, the draft. And hey! Let's not forget that Lael Collins is still out there!

Second, gotta love that King continues to name Winston's accuser every time he mentions her. Literally every time. Just like he feels like it's his "duty" to follow the bylaws around the HOF voting and the eligibility of Darren "50 Rapes for 50 States" Sharper, King seems compelled to follow the unofficial guideline that permits the media to use the name of the accuser once the charges have either been dropped or dismissed, notwithstanding the fact that publishing her name in a publication as widely read as SI is tasteless at best and dangerous at worst. It reminds me once again why the Rice thing happened at all: it's like the entire league is in desperate need of immersive sensitivity training.
 
 
He also tacitly approves of TB's reasoning for not including the accuser among it's scores of interviews -- they read her statements depositions so they "knew what she was going to say" -- without King even raising an eyebrow about whether they applied that same reasoning to the other TB interviewees who provided statements -- and thus TB knew what *they* were going to say -- but who supported Winston's account.
 
The only TB guy who didn't weasel was Lovie Smith -- "he wasn't charged and that's good enough for me."  I don't agree with that approach, but unlike Licht -- abetted by King -- it isn't riddled with internal incoherence.
 

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PK on with Charlie Rose on Bloomberg tv. Talking Brady right now
He's doing God's work on Twitter right now. Making big picture points that sorely need making and putting his national voice behind them.
 

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Is it just me or did he just subtly change his explanation about his faulty Rice reporting?

@mattadams_: @SI_PeterKing to be fair, id like to see the transcripts of the nfls message to you forcing you to recant about the ray rice video

@SI_PeterKing: They don’t exist. Good luck looking for them. I messed up. No one in the NFL did. I trusted someone I shouldn’t have https://t.co/HtaVmKpuCB
Here is what he wrote after it turned out he had been wrong:

Earlier this summer a source I trusted told me he assumed the NFL had seen the damaging video that was released by TMZ on Monday morning of Rice slugging his then-fiancée, Janay Palmer, in an Atlantic City elevator. The source said league officials had to have seen it. This source has been impeccable, and I believed the information. So I wrote that the league had seen the tape. I should have called the NFL for a comment, a lapse in reporting on my part. The league says it has not seen the tape, and I cannot refute that with certainty. No one from the league has ever knocked down my report to me, and so I was surprised to see the claim today that league officials have not seen the tape.
http://deadspin.com/peter-king-issues-statement-on-his-ray-rice-reporting-1632044670

Perhaps I'm being overly literal but to me, that reads as if he went from saying "I misreported what a trusted source said to me" to "I was intentionally misled" All along I thought if he were misled he should said so and seemed to be protecting his source with his original statement (a point Deadspin makes as well in the link). Something about this latest tweet however suggests that this source is no longer someone whom King values.
 

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Well, it could also be a pride issue.  
 
I imagine King was pretty pissed off and humiliated, and having to admit that he was fooled by someone and used is (in my experience) harder than just saying you fucked up.