Owner wants Bill. People with jobs want to keep them and don't want Bill. If owner gets what he wants, Bill will coach in ATL.
This is a good guess. I think Pedersen got a raw deal in Philly, but I could see him get a similar bum's rush in Jacksonville given the collapse they suffered. Like Philly, they also went 1-5 to finish the season after being in contention to being the top seed in their conference, and their only win was over the Panthers, not exactly one they could crow about.My guess is Jacksonville, especially if he’s paired with McDaniels.
Perfect summation of the situation. And McKay has done a good job there, so I'm sure Blank wants to retain him as well as bring on Belichick, if that can be worked out.Owner wants Bill. People with jobs want to keep them and don't want Bill. If owner gets what he wants, Bill will coach in ATL.
Obviously they were never BB or bust since they’ve interviewed 731 candidates so far, but this was t something most envisioned when he hit the market. I believe we were told repeatedly by many people that almost every team in the NFL would take BB if we cut him loose.Bill Belichick getting hired by the Atlanta Falcons is far from a sure thing.
The Athletic's Josh Kendall reported the prospective partnership "has lost momentum in the past week" and that the Falcons aren't approaching the situation with a "Belichick or bust" mentality.
McKay's teams have gone 164-159, with one Super Bowl appearance, in 20 years. They haven't had a winning season in seven years and have had only 8 in his 20 years running things. He's also gone through five coaches and two interims. I'm not sure that qualifies as good.Perfect summation of the situation. And McKay has done a good job there, so I'm sure Blank wants to retain him as well as bring on Belichick, if that can be worked out.
It is literally perfectly average. Ok you’d expect to make 1 SB every 16 yearsMcKay's teams have gone 164-159, with one Super Bowl appearance, in 20 years. They haven't had a winning season in seven years and have had only 8 in his 20 years running things. He's also gone through five coaches and two interims. I'm not sure that qualifies as good.
Maybe Blank needs a doer who gets more doneIt is literally perfectly average. Ok you’d expect to make 1 SB every 16 years
Especially given he had a Hall of Very Good franchise QB for the majority of that run and a Hall of Fame (? Probably) WR for a decadeMcKay's teams have gone 164-159, with one Super Bowl appearance, in 20 years. They haven't had a winning season in seven years and have had only 8 in his 20 years running things. He's also gone through five coaches and two interims. I'm not sure that qualifies as good.
not in 24 for 25 yes who knew rich mckay had that much powerIf BB doesn't go to ATL, Doug Pederson should start sweating bullets.
Is BB really going to take a year off at his age? Can’t see it.not in 24 for 25 yes who knew rich mckay had that much power
Yeah, not unless he has no choice in the matter. And then he might find out that he likes whatever he ends up doing to waste time for a year and we might not ever see him on the sidelines again.Is BB really going to take a year off at his age? Can’t see it.
Exactly. If he’s not coaching in 24 he’s not coaching in 25. IMO.Yeah, not unless he has no choice in the matter. And then he might find out that he likes whatever he ends up doing to waste time for a year and we might not ever see him on the sidelines again.
he might be forced to not his choiceIs BB really going to take a year off at his age? Can’t see it.
His roster currently has more talent than the one that Belichick left in NE. But sure, turn the personnel operation over to BB.McKay's teams have gone 164-159, with one Super Bowl appearance, in 20 years. They haven't had a winning season in seven years and have had only 8 in his 20 years running things. He's also gone through five coaches and two interims. I'm not sure that qualifies as good.
That wasn't my point. You said McKay's done a good job in Atlanta, so I look at his record there. I don't think his record, regardless of the current roster construction, indicates that he has done a good job.His roster currently has more talent than the one that Belichick left in NE. But sure, turn the personnel operation over to BB.
I honestly think we're spoiled as to what constitutes a good job. For instance, people took shots about him hiring Arthur Smith. Arthur Smith was the hottest coordinator on the market when he was hired. Ditto Dan Quinn when he was hired, and he took the team to a Super Bowl. It's not an exact science.That wasn't my point. You said McKay's done a good job in Atlanta, so I look at his record there. I don't think his record, regardless of the current roster construction, indicates that he has done a good job.
But some are better at it than others. No small sample size for McKay. As The Tuna would say, "you are what your record says you are." And McKay's record is classic "meh". But he always has a HC and GM to blame.I honestly think we're spoiled as to what constitutes a good job. For instance, people took shots about him hiring Arthur Smith. Arthur Smith was the hottest coordinator on the market when he was hired. Ditto Dan Quinn when he was hired, and he took the team to a Super Bowl. It's not an exact science.
History has shown hot coordinators rarely turn into good coaches. Part of being a good GM should be determining which coordinator will make a good head coach and not just picking the flavor of the month. Especially when those guys have very thin resumes or built their reputation on the backs of star studded units (legion of boom) which they were never going to have and McKay failed to provide.I honestly think we're spoiled as to what constitutes a good job. For instance, people took shots about him hiring Arthur Smith. Arthur Smith was the hottest coordinator on the market when he was hired. Ditto Dan Quinn when he was hired, and he took the team to a Super Bowl. It's not an exact science.
He'll be 72 before the season starts, is not likely a long-term solution for any team and will likely want to be the highest-paid coach in football. That narrows the possible choices.Is Belichick being black balled? How can the greatest coach of all time go without any interest other than the Falcons. This doesn't add up
Age and did you see the last 4 years plus how bad his roster construction has been?Is Belichick being black balled? How can the greatest coach of all time go without any interest other than the Falcons. This doesn't add up
Yeah, this seems to be the answer. Teams that need new coaches, by definition, stink. Good teams don't need coaches -- the wishcasting about Philly and Dallas notwithstanding.He'll be 72 before the season starts, is not likely a long-term solution for any team and will likely want to be the highest-paid coach in football. That narrows the possible choices.
I think the second part of this likely has is playing on the minds of ownerships than the first. The age concern can be wiped away in a meeting. But uprooting your entire organizational structure at this point -- IF that what he's asking -- might not be a road teams want to travel, even for someone with his pedigreeAge and did you see the last 4 years plus how bad his roster construction has been?
The Chargers aren't THAT shitty, and they chose Harbaugh over BB.Yeah, this seems to be the answer. Teams that need new coaches, by definition, stink. Good teams don't need coaches -- the wishcasting about Philly and Dallas notwithstanding.
So you need a shitty team that needs a coach which is also fine with a 4-year-max coach. What owner is hoping for a 4 year coach?
And the reality is, that's what they usually end up with anyway. Most times less than that.So you need a shitty team that needs a coach which is also fine with a 4-year-max coach. What owner is hoping for a 4 year coach?
Brady reportedly had only two teams offer him contracts when he was a FA in 2020, and integrating a QB like Brady to replace the prior QB is arguably easier than replacing Arthur Smith with BB to oversee the entire football operation. It’s also not exactly plug and play, and you’d be foolish to expect more than 2-3 years from Bill.Is Belichick being black balled? How can the greatest coach of all time go without any interest other than the Falcons. This doesn't add up
also, he wants complete control and isn’t bringing prime Tom Brady with him.He'll be 72 before the season starts, is not likely a long-term solution for any team and will likely want to be the highest-paid coach in football. That narrows the possible choices.
True enough, though to get hired BB needs someone to aspire to that, which I think is a bit of a tough sell.And the reality is, that's what they usually end up with anyway. Most times less than that.
Aside from his age, I think Bill's reputation as a cantankerous asshole is not helping him here. I known that's reductionist, but I think it plays into this. When his team is winning it's endearing or even funny, but when they are losing or there's no clear prospect of winning, it weighs on everyone. These teams also don't know Bill personally as much. All they have is the public persona and some limited interactions. When Kraft hired him he had the years with Parcells to rely on... That's not the case for any of the teams now.True enough, though to get hired BB needs someone to aspire to that, which I think is a bit of a tough sell.
I posted in some thread (maybe a game thread to be fair) that Medicare age folks have trouble getting hired in any endeavor. It's just the harsh reality. Given his expertise, you'd think that might not be true for coaching, but there is also the problem that there are very few jobs.
Carroll is going to be 73 next season, and no one seems to be knocking down his door to hire him as a head coach either.Aside from his age, I think Bill's reputation as a cantankerous asshole is not helping him here. I known that's reductionist, but I think it plays into this. When his team is winning it's endearing or even funny, but when they are losing or there's no clear prospect of winning, it weighs on everyone. These teams also don't know Bill personally as much. All they have is the public persona and some limited interactions. When Kraft hired him he had the years with Parcells to rely on... That's not the case for any of the teams now.
I know I'm making this argument while Jolly Pete Carroll is also unemployed, but their track records aren't really in the same ballpark.
I have not seen any reporting that he wants total control of the operation. He willingly took 2 interviews with Atlanta knowing he would not get total control.also, he wants complete control and isn’t bringing prime Tom Brady with him.
the idea that he would be in massive demand seems to have been a bit off
He will get another shot next offseason.Crazy to think he might be all done and won’t get a shot at Shula’s record. The music is close to stopping and there don’t seem to be many logical chairs left (Seattle, Carolina, Atlanta. Assuming Washington is getting B. Johnson).
I did acknowledge that. Pete doesn't have the GOAT status of Bill, but you're right. I'm not saying age isn't a factor.Carroll is going to be 73 next season, and no one seems to be knocking down his door to hire him as a head coach either.
"Choosing to be introduced as a team..."Isn't the hold up related to coordinating Brady and Belichick's schedules so that they can be introduced together?
Interesting, that’s definitely something I’m considering differently now. If it doesn’t settle out this year some of the recent rough bits might look rosier with hind sight. A year later (and yes older) I still can’t imagine a world where zero itchy trigger fingered owners make that move.He will get another shot next offseason.
You’ll get a 20,000 word treatise on the evolution of the single-wing formation and you’ll like it!I want him to retire and write tell all books until the day he dies.
Yeah, any book BB writes will be a coaching/film treatise. He doesn't strike me as a tell-all guyYou’ll get a 20,000 word treatise on the evolution of the single-wing formation and you’ll like it!