What is next for BB?

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Probably fair on Siriani, though I think he’s a clown whose limitations were on full display last year. But Hardo? He’s got more than enough of a track record of falling short, with arguably no worse than the second best QB in the league, to justify a change. Hell, he probably should’ve been shown the door when the Bengals went in there and boat raced them 2 years ago in the playoffs.
No one on this board despises Hardo more than me, and seeing him get kicked to the curb would warm the cockles of my cold dead heart. But I can't see Buffalo booting his useless ass for BB. He's got some weird mind grip on that franchise that they cannot break.
 

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First, Philly has no reason to move on from Siriani a season after making the Super Bowl; we'll just agree to disagree on whether he is a good coach or not. Buffalo never came up in the article, and seems likely Buffalo will ride McDermott until the eventual 5-12 season happens. The Dallas job was discussed in the article; seems like Jones has a good working relationship with McCarthy for whatever reason. Jones stuck with Jason Garrett for 9 seasons, and the article hints that Jones doesn't like cycling through coaches very much at this stage of his life.

According to Wickersham, Blank wanted Belichick, but did not want to overrule McKay and Fontenot, who obviously felt threatened by the thought of Belichick's presence on the sidelines.
It would’ve been a somewhat bold move to replace Siriani, but not out of character for Lurie. He pulled the trigger on Pederson just 3 years after he won the Super Bowl. I think he’ll get there soon, but touché, agree to disagree/see how it works out. Don’t disagree at all with your summary of why Blank didn’t hire BB. Just think those are bad reasons to pass on the best coach in league history.
 

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I find myself torn by the entirety of this article, because at the end of the day the only things particularly noteworthy in it were:

A source close to Robert Kraft said he considered moving on from Belichick after the 2022 season, but his son Jonathan talked him out of it.
Hadn't seen that reported before, maybe I missed it.

[QUOTE"Robert called Arthur to warn him not to trust Bill." ][/QUOTE]

No context about what not to trust.

Everything else was basically the idea that billionaire owners didn't want to hire 1)a coach who wouldn't bend the knee to them and/or 2) didn't want to hire a guy who was only going to coach for 2 years but would clean house while doing so. Which is just common sense and not particularly newsworthy.

The real question is whether Bob Kraft was actively bad mouthing BB in his job search, and the article punts on that completely other than to quote a BB source above, and then claim a confirmation from a Kraft source about whether Bill was trustworthy. The only reason I believe it is the Apple series and because Kraft hid behind Stacey James in the denial.

Also agree wholeheartedly with @Smiling Joe Hesketh that I can't believe the Cowboys didn't hire him.
 

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Kraft kept the Pats in Massachusetts, where they belong. In the process, he hung Connecticut out to dry. He also brought in Belichick, the GOAT, and largely (not always, but largely) stayed out of BB's way in terms of running the team.

But man, if any of these fairly recent stories are even remotely true, he's really stuck it to BB in a bad way, which puts RKK in a terrible light, IMO. You don't like the way he's run the team the past few years, I get it. Fire him. But the whole idea of him poisoning the well with other owners with regards to BB...man if that's true, what a jerk move.

EDIT: Here's an SI story (from 2017) about the Pats almost moving to CT. If you read the article you'll see why RKK has a favorable relationship with the current commissioner, and which may explain much of RKK's behavior towards him even during the "gate" scandals.

EDIT 2: Oops this is in the wrong thread. Eh...I'll just leave it here anyway with my apologies. I also posted it in the Kraft thread. My bad.
 

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Wickersham is incapable of writing an article about the Pats that doesn’t have at least one whopper in it:

The executives also were concerned about the staff Belichick would bring with him, including assistants who had worked with him in New England and who had struggled on their own: Josh McDaniels, Joe Judge, Jack Easterby, Matt Patricia. At one point, Blank asked Belichick why his charges had failed elsewhere. Belichick replied that he thought they were better soldiers than generals.
Jack Easterby stands as much chance of working for Bill Belichick again as Eric Mangini.
 

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"I have two lists, Pat. 'Best available,' and 'best long snapper, Rutgers, or armed services player.' Hopefully, we'll have time to get into both lists tonight."
 

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Really wish he was on with someone less terrible, but whatever, can just mute it until they cut to Bill I guess
I may be in the minority but I always like Trey Wingo as the point guard on these broadcasts. He'd play it straight and pair well with Bill. Less schtickey than Eisen, and I can't stand McAfee.
 

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"I have two lists, Pat. 'Best available,' and 'best long snapper, Rutgers, or armed services player.' Hopefully, we'll have time to get into both lists tonight."
It would be excellent if he was self-aware enough to do something like this.

Brady's post Patriots career has been so open and honest, which was weird to adjust to after 20 years. Bill obviously is not Brady, but maybe he'll find some levity in his image.
 

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It would be excellent if he was self-aware enough to do something like this.

Brady's post Patriots career has been so open and honest, which was weird to adjust to after 20 years. Bill obviously is not Brady, but maybe he'll find some levity in his image.
Imagine somebody in 2009 predicting BB being featured on the Pat McAfee show by zoom in the year 2024

View: https://twitter.com/PatMcAfeeShow/status/1780660499685810254


View: https://twitter.com/PatMcAfeeShow/status/1780659941763629111


Love the bling in the background
 

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Interesting that he speaks about "fit" given the comments by Wolf and the expected changes to the Pats' rating/grading system.
 

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I look forward to many years of these stories

View: https://twitter.com/sophieewellerr/status/1780671629070152100

“Belichick: "First of all Pacman, I want to tell you, that the punt you returned against us with the Titans was total BS. It was third down and I was standing there on the sideline and I said, 'look, these guys can't move the ball. The only way they can score is if we punt it to Pacman and he returns it. So we are going out of bounds with the ball right before the half. There's a minute to go in the half. I said we are going out of bounds with this ball and we're going to make them drive it because they can't score on our defense. And we punt it right down the middle and you got 85 yards and I tell you, I can't remember a situation I have been more upset about... And you killed us on that just like I knew you were going to do."”
 

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Maybe more of a comment for the media thread but the Wickersham piece is so fascinating. He is a highly credible reporter and yet that piece contained nothing I didnt already know from casually reading SoSH. I feel like I know enough to have written that. There was virtually nothing new in there. And if I know as much as a well sourced quasi-"insider" then either nobody knows anything or everybody knows everything!
 

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Would love McAfee at some point to ask BB if he's seen the Dynasty series, with BB deadpanning in response "No, but heard there was no happy ending?"
 

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Interested in how Krafts must see this. BB doesn’t need to place anonymous quotes or drop subtle comments to respond to the apparent hit jobs. He can simply maintain a public profile and do things like this and continue with analysis. He is so good at this stuff and his football mind and glibness shine through.
 

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Interested in how Krafts must see this. BB doesn’t need to place anonymous quotes or drop subtle comments to respond to the apparent hit jobs. He can simply maintain a public profile and do things like this and continue with analysis. He is so good at this stuff and his football mind and glibness shine through.
BB’s star is going to skyrocket as more people hear him speak like this. They all know him as a curmudgeon who doesn’t talk - so they’ll get to see him on the biggest stages being insanely intelligent and it’s going to chip away at them.

Similar to what happened to Brady when he got social media and owned that shit.
 

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Interested in how Krafts must see this. BB doesn’t need to place anonymous quotes or drop subtle comments to respond to the apparent hit jobs. He can simply maintain a public profile and do things like this and continue with analysis. He is so good at this stuff and his football mind and glibness shine through.
I mean, BBs camp was very obviously the source for the Wickersham story that painted Kraft in a really bad light. It's not like he's above this, he just won't say it personally.
 
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I mean, BBs camp was very obviously the source for the Wickersham story that painted Kraft in a really bad light. It's not like he's above this, he just won't say it personally.
Definitely appears that way. And this is what RKK gets for going off so much in The Dynasty. It's such a weird choice to make. I didn't disagree with the criticism of BB - there were a lot of mistakes this last decade - but why on Earth does the owner feel the need to paint him in such a poor light? So short-sighted and also just...lame.
 

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I mean, BBs camp was very obviously the source for the Wickersham story that painted Kraft in a really bad light. It's not like he's above this, he just won't say it personally.
I won’t hijack this thread since there’s already one about the Krafts but in that thread it’s clear many who have crossed paths with them note their undying need for credit for things.
 

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The famously contrite Bill Belichick is about to become Mr. Media.

In his transition from the sidelines, Belichick, the longtime New England Patriots coach, will make millions with an anticipated recurring role with the Manning brothers on ESPN’s “Monday Night Football with Peyton and Eli,” a book deal, a potential inside football show and possibly a podcast, executives briefed on his plans told The Athletic.
Belichick will start his post-Patriots career on Thursday with the NFL Draft, when he will join “The Pat McAfee Show” as an analyst. McAfee said publicly in February he would like to have Belichick on his show once a week during the season, so expanding his role with McAfee after Thursday also seems conceivable. Most of McAfee’s three-hour show is also on ESPN.

As Belichick’s full plans come into focus, the exact amount he will make is unknown, but it will be well into the millions, according to those briefed on his current and anticipated deals. His book deal advance is expected to be well into the seven figures, according to media executives and publishing sources briefed on his negotiations.

After ending his nearly quarter-century run in New England with six Super Bowl rings, the 71-year-old Belichick has been a sought-after media personality. He has made it clear in meetings with network executives that he didn’t want a regular weekly desk job on any of the NFL preview shows.

https://theathletic.com/5173142/2024/01/11/bill-belichick-patriots-fired-broadcasting/
While a deal with Peyton Manning’s Omaha Productions is not yet fully agreed upon, it is moving in that direction. The “Manningcast” was on ESPN’s networks for 10 of the network’s 25 games last season.

Belichick would not be on for every game but would appear pretty regularly during the season, which would be a new wrinkle for the show. In its first three years, guests appeared once during a season. This would be an audible for Omaha, as it would set segments to hear Belichick with the Mannings on multiple games.

The Manning-Belichick arrangement has added intrigue because of the longtime on-field rivalry between the Mannings and Tom Brady, who had the bulk of his success under Belichick’s tutelage in New England.

The Athletic first reported in early March that Manning was pursuing Belichick for a role with his company. Last week, ESPN said that Belichick is expected to sign a deal with Omaha Productions, but did not specify a role. Omaha Productions partly serves as an arm of ESPN.
https://theathletic.com/5441821/2024/04/24/bill-belichick-manningcast-nfl-media/
 

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Famously contrite? If I had a list of adjectives in front of me, I think that would be in the bottom 10 that might apply to Bill. I'd put things like "bubbly," ahead of contrite. I can't recall a single moment of public contrition from Bill. I mean, other than, "I need to coach better" or whatever.

Edit -- I clicked on the link and the Athletic fixed it ("concise").
 
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If they made the Manning Cast Peyton, Eli and Bill with a rotating guest interview during halftime it'd be just perfect football content. But I fully expect the guests to still have a ton of space during the game itself, mostly contributing nothing while Peyton tries to awkwardly insert questions in the middle of the action.
 

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Famously contrite? If I had a list of adjectives in front of me, I think that would be in the bottom 10 that might apply to Bill. I'd put things like "bubbly," ahead of contrite. I can't recall a single moment of public contrition from Bill. I mean, other than, "I need to coach better" or whatever.

Edit -- I clicked on the link and the Athletic fixed it ("concise").
I had the exact same reaction. “Concise” isn’t much better. “Laconic,” maybe.

(But looking to sports writing for elegant prose leads inevitably to disappointment.)
 

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I had the exact same reaction. “Concise” isn’t much better. “Laconic,” maybe.

(But looking to sports writing for elegant prose leads inevitably to disappointment.)
Yeah. I think they were trying to convey the idea that for a guy who keeps his cards close the vest and gives one word answers at press conferences, it looks like he's about to be a chatterbox.

Which, if it's your hook, you can just write. Instead of letting weird, vague adjectives do the job poorly.
 

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If they made the Manning Cast Peyton, Eli and Bill with a rotating guest interview during halftime it'd be just perfect football content. But I fully expect the guests to still have a ton of space during the game itself, mostly contributing nothing while Peyton tries to awkwardly insert questions in the middle of the action.
Ok thanks Bill…..and now we’ve got Kyle Brandt! Then stay tuned for Sue Bird!
 

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I watched the McAfee broadcast last night and truly thought Bill was great. He’s such a natural straight man foil to their goofball antics anyways.

Liked seeing his breakdowns and liked that he was critical in his film evals too.

I’m sure he wants to coach again, but between this and the Manningcasts, he can probably have whatever job on whatever network he wants.
 

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missed in all this is that Bill will be on Mondays in fall on the pat mcafee show. Announced at the end of the draft.
 

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Wonder if the WWL gave any consideration to a Bill and Saban desk. Just the 2 of them and a moderator/host.

Thought Bill was excellent. Maybe I'm just getting old but the shenanigans eventually drove me to the Gameday broadcast.
 

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Wonder if the WWL gave any consideration to a Bill and Saban desk. Just the 2 of them and a moderator/host.

Thought Bill was excellent. Maybe I'm just getting old but the shenanigans eventually drove me to the Gameday broadcast.
I love shenanigans, but that crew just isn't that funny. That said, I actually think some lightheartedness + Bill dropping knowledge every 7 minutes or so looks like a recipe for excellent tv so I support the McAfee pairing at least a bit.
 

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Wonder if the WWL gave any consideration to a Bill and Saban desk. Just the 2 of them and a moderator/host.

Thought Bill was excellent. Maybe I'm just getting old but the shenanigans eventually drove me to the Gameday broadcast.
I love Bill. I really can't stand McAfee. But he seemed to loosen Bill up in ways that Mike Greenberg was not going to do. It's the eight man panel that never makes sense to me.