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Once again, explain this to me. Ramiel Tapia was at .265/.292/.380 in THE MAJOR LEAGUES last year, and he can track a ball and throw a little. Did ya know? He's on our team now.

Duran has no upside. He's a faster Michael Chavis.(But he doesn't cross himself between pitches. Wait- is THAT the upside?)
Durran has elite speed and above average power. That's his upside. As shown last year, he clearly has other things to work on. I'm not advocating for him to be on the MLB roster at this point. I am advocating for not giving up him based his numbers from 9 games in AAA. He probably won't fulfill his potential, but you could say that with most minor leaguers. The Rays roster is filled with guys who didn't blossom until their mid 20s.
 

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Are we just ignoring that 31% of the Rays wins came against the Sox? I mean half of the reason that they are 8 games out is that they went 0-4 against Tampa. Had they split, they’d be 4 out and nobody would be talking about it.
really?

THE RAYS are a buzzsaw right now and the sox just happened to face them, so no we are not "ignoring it"
 
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I don't know... I mean, I did qualify it, but this is the first year that I really think this is a majority Bloom team rather than the one he walked into. It's really not that crazy of a thing to think... and if some other GM has to come in and fix up Bloom's team, it'll take them probably 3-4 years to really transform that team. But honestly, whoever (if it's not Bloom himself) takes over in say, '24... the future will be in a much better situation than it was when Bloom took over.
The team Bloom took over featured three potential hall-of-famers all under the age of 26. The lineup that Bloom put on the field yesterday featured only three players total who've compiled more than 3 bWAR for their entire careers. This team is much further away from championship contention than it was in 2019. It's not even close.

Yes, the 2019 Red Sox also carried two kind of cumbersome contracts, but what an actual good GM would do would be to find a way to dump and/or build around those contracts without also having to get rid of the best player the franchise has developed since World War II. The Mariners found a way to get rid of Robinson Cano's contract; (and got Jared freaking Kelenic in return!); Cherington got rid of Carl Crawford's; DD managed to build a World Series roster despite still carrying the bad contracts of Hanley Ramirez and Pablo Sandoval.

To suggest that the franchise has a better future now than it did when Mookie, X, and Devers were all on the team and under 26 simply because David Price's contract is gone and the farm system is now middle-of-the-pack (thanks, in large part to guys like Brayan Bello and Triston Casas, who were already here when Bloom came in) is some serious prospect industrial complex/cult of the GM absurdity. And the billionaire owners who have spent the better part of the last 20 years trying to convince the fans that being cheap is the same the same thing as being smart thank you.
 

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really?

THE RAYS are a buzzsaw right now and the sox just happened to face them, so no we are not "ignoring it"
So the Sox get swept and we just throw up our hands, and say, what can you do, they are undefeated? Buzzsaw!! I think that the Sox should take some responsibility for being eight games back thirteen games in. I can certainly see a team that hasn’t actually played the Rays in nearly one-third of their games making a case that being that far back isn’t their fault, but don’t see it for the Sox. Ymmv.
 

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Are we just ignoring that 31% of the Rays wins came against the Sox? I mean half of the reason that they are 8 games out is that they went 0-4 against Tampa. Had they split, they’d be 4 out and nobody would be talking about it.
Not ignoring anything. The Rays are undefeated. That's reality regardless of who they've played. They're the reason that last place in the AL East is nearly twice as far back as last place in any other division. If we're going to get worked up of the Sox being 8 whole games out after 13 games, let's look at the whole picture.
 

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The team Bloom took over featured three potential hall-of-famers all under the age of 26.
Sorry, I had to investigate this a bit, Betts and Bogaerts both turned 27 a few weeks before Bloom was hired in 2019 (I did not realize they were born the same week in Oct 1992).
 
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Sorry, I had to investigate this a bit, Betts and Bogaerts both turned 27 a few weeks before Bloom was hired in 2019 (I did not realize they were born the same week in Oct 1992).
Fair enough. I probably read somewhere that they were all 26-and-under not the World Series team and confused that with Bloom taking over. I'm going to go ahead and say that Mookie and X being a few weeks older than I thought doesn't materially change the point, though.
 

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Being in a better place than the '87 Indians – no matter what SI thought of that team in March – is not something to take solace in. That team had a losing record against every opponent they played that year except for Kansas City, who they went 7-7 against.

(Sorry, I can't let an '87 Indians reference go by without commenting. My daily fix of baseball purgatory started with that team.)
 

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WHo cares? They are 2.5 out of the wild card even with all the shit they are dealing with.
Do you think the Red Sox, as presently constructed, are close to the Rays or any other contender? That’s the point.

Because yeah, they can (sorta) split with the O’s and they can destroy the Tigers. But when faced against a really good club, they look awful. Also they looked bad against an up and coming Pittsburgh team too. And that series was with Babe Bonds playing centerfield for us.
 

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Do you think the Red Sox, as presently constructed, are close to the Rays or any other contender? That’s the point.

Because yeah, they can (sorta) split with the O’s and they can destroy the Tigers. But when faced against a really good club, they look awful. Also they looked bad against an up and coming Pittsburgh team too. And that series was with Babe Bonds playing centerfield for us.
You are talking about the team's makeup this week. I think they'll be pretty good when they have all their guys but need to tread water for another month or so. It's April 14.
 

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Cora really needs a veteran team he can stay out of the way of. The Dodgers or the Yankees would be the perfect fit for his skill-set.
Eh. I'm not sure the Yankees qualify as a "veteran team he can stay out of the way of". The Yankees are depending on a lot of young players to be successful this year.

I wouldn't be surprised if they are, as a whole, a bit younger as a team than the Red Sox.
 

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The team Bloom took over featured three potential hall-of-famers all under the age of 26. The lineup that Bloom put on the field yesterday featured only three players total who've compiled more than 3 bWAR for their entire careers. This team is much further away from championship contention than it was in 2019. It's not even close.

Yes, the 2019 Red Sox also carried two kind of cumbersome contracts, but what an actual good GM would do would be to find a way to dump and/or build around those contracts without also having to get rid of the best player the franchise has developed since World War II. The Mariners found a way to get rid of Robinson Cano's contract; (and got Jared freaking Kelenic in return!); Cherington got rid of Carl Crawford's; DD managed to build a World Series roster despite still carrying the bad contracts of Hanley Ramirez and Pablo Sandoval.

To suggest that the franchise has a better future now than it did when Mookie, X, and Devers were all on the team and under 26 simply because David Price's contract is gone and the farm system is now middle-of-the-pack (thanks, in large part to guys like Brayan Bello and Triston Casas, who were already here when Bloom came in) is some serious prospect industrial complex/cult of the GM absurdity. And the billionaire owners who have spent the better part of the last 20 years trying to convince the fans that being cheap is the same the same thing as being smart thank you.
I don't know if you have a profound lack of imagination or just can't pick up context.
But yeah..... OBVIOUSLY... the team that Bloom took over could likely have competed for 2 more World Series if he was able to keep that team together. But as clear as a dry Arizona day, it was obvious that he was not going to be able to do that... and given that, the immediate future for Bloom looked pretty bleak. Injuries, bad contracts, needing to clear Mookie, Price, more injuries, older players likely on longer contracts likely trending downward. He squeezed a good run in '21 out of that before the "hope for the best" type of season turned out not that way.
 

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You are talking about the team's makeup this week. I think they'll be pretty good when they have all their guys but need to tread water for another month or so. It's April 14.
Of course I'm talking about the Red Sox' makeup this week? I don't have a crystal ball, I have no clue what they're going to be like in a month or three. And neither do you.

What are you basing your wishcasting on? You have no idea whether the Red Sox are going to be good when (IF) "they have all their guys". There are hardly ever any teams that are operating at full Voltron, that's why depth is so very, very important. The Sox' depth is abysmal. If you have a deep team, you don't play Bobby Dalbec at shortstop for an inning, much less an entire game. If you have depth your fans aren't wondering whether they can trade for Jose Iglesias in the second week of April. If you have depth, your entire team doesn't fall into a slump because Adam Duvall is out for the year.

What team are watching, man? Seriously because it's not the 2023 Boston Red Sox.

And you say that they need to "tread water", I have news for you, they're sinking like a stone. Have you looked at their starting pitching? Not one of them have gone past five innings, they have the 26th worst ERA, they're giving up home runs like they're going out of style and opposing teams are running on them to the tune of 17 for 19 in stolen bases attempts. When your starters can't go more than five, that taxes your bullpen--which is supposed to be the strength of this club. But if the starters don't figure out something quick--and it's going to take more than Chris Sale's sad sack post game comments--this bullpen is going to be on fumes by June.

If the Sox turn it around, that's awesome. I'm sure that we'll talk about that when (if) it happens. But right now, the Sox suck and it's okay to say so. Telling people not to believe the nightly* garbage that they're seeing on the field and to close your eyes really tight and hope that things are going to get better is lunacy.

* Oh yeah, the first few weeks of the schedule were supposed to be the easy part. From now until May 26 (or May 30 depending on what you think of AZ) looks really rough.
 

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Eh. I'm not sure the Yankees qualify as a "veteran team he can stay out of the way of". The Yankees are depending on a lot of young players to be successful this year.

I wouldn't be surprised if they are, as a whole, a bit younger as a team than the Red Sox.
Think you are right. Yankees batters are a bit older than Sox, but pitchers are much younger. Sox have the second oldest staff on the league thus far (only Mets are older). This is the oldest Sox team Cora has managed. Tampa, Cleveland, Baltimore look to be youngest teams in the AL.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/majors/2023-misc.shtml
 

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I don't think anyone would argue the Sox look good or they are more optimistic now than they were at the start of the season. Sox have sucked and need to start playing better...at least 500 until they get some guys back. But using their GB as some sort of indictment 13 games into the season when they are in a division with a 13-0 team is silly. The Yankees are 5 games back after 13 games...oh no!! There are plenty of other stats or observations to use to worry about the state of the Sox after 13 games but the games back thing is pretty ridiculous.
 

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I don't think anyone would argue the Sox look good or they are more optimistic now than they were at the start of the season. Sox have sucked and need to start playing better...at least 500 until they get some guys back. But using their GB as some sort of indictment 13 games into the season when they are in a division with a 13-0 team is silly. The Yankees are 5 games back after 13 games...oh no!! There are plenty of other stats or observations to use to worry about the state of the Sox after 13 games but the games back thing is pretty ridiculous.
The only reason it is an indictment is that they had a 4 game sweep at the hands of the Rays. Getting swept in 4 is pretty freaking hard to do in baseball. I wonder what the stats are on that over the last 5-10 years.

Edit: the number is 14.56% since 1961. Higher than I would have guessed to be honest. At a 50% chance of winning a single game, there is a 6.25% chance of a sweep. The 14.56% chance basically equates to a ~62% chance of winning a single game, which is basically a 100 win team.
 

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You are talking about the team's makeup this week. I think they'll be pretty good when they have all their guys but need to tread water for another month or so. It's April 14.
We keep waiting for them to “have all their guys” when it’s becoming increasingly likely based on who they’ve signed and some bad luck they never, ever will.
 

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Of course I'm talking about the Red Sox' makeup this week? I don't have a crystal ball, I have no clue what they're going to be like in a month or three. And neither do you.

What are you basing your wishcasting on? You have no idea whether the Red Sox are going to be good when (IF) "they have all their guys". There are hardly ever any teams that are operating at full Voltron, that's why depth is so very, very important. The Sox' depth is abysmal. If you have a deep team, you don't play Bobby Dalbec at shortstop for an inning, much less an entire game. If you have depth your fans aren't wondering whether they can trade for Jose Iglesias in the second week of April. If you have depth, your entire team doesn't fall into a slump because Adam Duvall is out for the year.

What team are watching, man? Seriously because it's not the 2023 Boston Red Sox.

And you say that they need to "tread water", I have news for you, they're sinking like a stone. Have you looked at their starting pitching? Not one of them have gone past five innings, they have the 26th worst ERA, they're giving up home runs like they're going out of style and opposing teams are running on them to the tune of 17 for 19 in stolen bases attempts. When your starters can't go more than five, that taxes your bullpen--which is supposed to be the strength of this club. But if the starters don't figure out something quick--and it's going to take more than Chris Sale's sad sack post game comments--this bullpen is going to be on fumes by June.

If the Sox turn it around, that's awesome. I'm sure that we'll talk about that when (if) it happens. But right now, the Sox suck and it's okay to say so. Telling people not to believe the nightly* garbage that they're seeing on the field and to close your eyes really tight and hope that things are going to get better is lunacy.

* Oh yeah, the first few weeks of the schedule were supposed to be the easy part. From now until May 26 (or May 30 depending on what you think of AZ) looks really rough.
You asked me if I like how they're constructed, and I answered based on the entire 40-man, not the guys currently available, which unfortunately is a pretty huge delta. If you don't share my opinion, good for you. If you think two weeks is enough time to judge anything in baseball, then we will probably disagree on a lot more things.
 

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The only reason it is an indictment is that they had a 4 game sweep at the hands of the Rays. Getting swept in 4 is pretty freaking hard to do in baseball. I wonder what the stats are on that over the last 5-10 years.

Edit: the number is 14.56% since 1961. Higher than I would have guessed to be honest. At a 50% chance of winning a single game, there is a 6.25% chance of a sweep. The 14.56% chance basically equates to a ~62% chance of winning a single game, which is basically a 100 win team.
Playoff sweeps happen all the time and those are two good teams facing off. Teams in general may be streakier than pure odds would indicate.
 

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Playoff sweeps happen all the time and those are two good teams facing off. Teams in general may be streakier than pure odds would indicate.
Agreed on both accounts. Like I said the 14.56% is more than double the odds based on an overall 50% chance to win a single game, so streakiness is definitely a "thing" in terms of how a team is playing overall (and through only 4 Sox series so far this year, we've seen 3 sweeps - 1 for, 2 against).
 

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Once again, explain this to me. Ramiel Tapia was at .265/.292/.380 in THE MAJOR LEAGUES last year, and he can track a ball and throw a little. Did ya know? He's on our team now.

Duran has no upside. He's a faster Michael Chavis.(But he doesn't cross himself between pitches. Wait- is THAT the upside?)
Doesn't matter that Tapia is on our team. Cora WILL NOT play him.
 

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You can't lose the World Series in April/ May, but you can sure lose it. In a month or two, we could be completely out of it. God, I hope that's not the case....if so it's gonna be a long summer.
 

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I'm guessing you meant to write Benintendi instead of Schwarber? Schwarber was the previous offseason.
No, I mean Schwarber. I don't think they were ever in on re-signing Benintendi.

With the length and degree they reportedly scouted Yoshida before signing him (at 5/$90M), the potential for his signing had to factor into the consideration of re-upping Schwarber (who signed for 4/$79M). They're wildly different hitters, but could likely be similar assets (and fielders) at the same position.
 

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All these "well, they aren't in an unsurmountable hole" posts are kind of meaningless because yes, mathematically it's way too soon to freak out, but you can also look at the product on the field, see how utterly helpless the team continues to look against quality competition and come to the conclusion that they don't have what it takes to climb out of an early deficit in the AL East. I guarantee you Astros fans aren't freaking out over their 6-7 start. Like, just look at the last three lineups they've trotted out there. Where is the hope supposed to come from?
 

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The only reason it is an indictment is that they had a 4 game sweep at the hands of the Rays. Getting swept in 4 is pretty freaking hard to do in baseball. I wonder what the stats are on that over the last 5-10 years.

Edit: the number is 14.56% since 1961. Higher than I would have guessed to be honest. At a 50% chance of winning a single game, there is a 6.25% chance of a sweep. The 14.56% chance basically equates to a ~62% chance of winning a single game, which is basically a 100 win team.
Wouldn't it just be a 25% winning team?

You can't lose the World Series in April/ May, but you can sure lose it. In a month or two, we could be completely out of it. God, I hope that's not the case....if so it's gonna be a long summer.
Nice. I know what you meant, but it still made me laugh

The Red Sox aren't a good team right now, but it's early and many, many things happen over a season
I don't expect them to make the playoffs, but I didn't at the start of the year either, I just want some better baseball out of them this year and show signs of improvement with the prospects
 

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You had said "The 14.56% chance basically equates to a ~62% chance of winning a single game, which is basically a 100 win team."
But it was in the context of a 4 game series that you were discussing that. Basically saying they should win at least one game in a four game series roughly 62% of the time
That's why I said a 25% winning percentage, only win one in four
 

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You had said "The 14.56% chance basically equates to a ~62% chance of winning a single game, which is basically a 100 win team."
But it was in the context of a 4 game series that you were discussing that. Basically saying they should win at least one game in a four game series roughly 62% of the time
That's why I said a 25% winning percentage, only win one in four
No what I was saying was14.56% series sweep is more than double the odds of a series sweep based on 50-50 odds in each game. It's closer to 62-38 odds in each game. Which means there is an inherent streakiness in baseball.

The absolute worst teams in baseball - like a 50 win team, with a winning % of 30% - would only be swept 24% of the time in a 4 game series.
 

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No what I was saying was14.56% series sweep is more than double the odds of a series sweep based on 50-50 odds in each game. It's closed to 62-38 odds in each game. Which means there is an inherent streakiness in baseball.
Gotcha. I'm on the same page now
 

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There is an argument to be made that if you compared position by position versus the other AL teams this is the worst team in the AL. I'm not sure SP is much better but there are worse staffs.
 

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I was trying to think of a worse SSS shortstop free agent signing than Yu Chang, and the closest comp I could come up with was Craig Grebeck.

Coming into tonight he was at .091/.250/.152 in 40 PA before a (so far 0-3 and GIDP)
Grebeck in 43 career PA in Boston .049//093/.073

They can't get rid of him quickly enough.
 

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There is an argument to be made that if you compared position by position versus the other AL teams this is the worst team in the AL. I'm not sure SP is much better but there are worse staffs.
You must have skipped over Detroit. They're in the running for worst lineup I've seen in the 35+ years I've been watching baseball. With Austin Meadows on the IL again, they might have 2-3 players with a major league future, but no one who looks like they should currently be in an MLB lineup.
 

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You must have skipped over Detroit. They're in the running for worst lineup I've seen in the 35+ years I've been watching baseball. With Austin Meadows on the IL again, they might have 2-3 players with a major league future, but no one who looks like they should currently be in an MLB lineup.
See also: Oakland
 

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All these "well, they aren't in an unsurmountable hole" posts are kind of meaningless because yes, mathematically it's way too soon to freak out, but you can also look at the product on the field, see how utterly helpless the team continues to look against quality competition and come to the conclusion that they don't have what it takes to climb out of an early deficit in the AL East. I guarantee you Astros fans aren't freaking out over their 6-7 start. Like, just look at the last three lineups they've trotted out there. Where is the hope supposed to come from?
OK, I’ll bite (and I will admit that I’m not overly bullish on this year’s team. Or next year’s). Here’s a possible path:

1). Rotation gets healthy— I don’t believe they will have a true #1. But Sale, Kluber, Bello, Paxton, Pivetta is a fairly deep rotation (for reference look at the Os rotation). Presuming Sale is healthy and recaptures his command (not crazy given he’s pitched like 30 innings in the past 3 years)
2). This lines up the pen— Jansen, Martin, Whitlock, Houck, Schreiber, WinckowskI, etc.
3). They can hold serve on offense until Story/Duvall return. Yoshida hits and Casa figures it out.

I’m not saying this is this most likely outcome, rather, their most reasonable path towards contention. That being said, I think the plan all along has been ‘25 and beyond (look at all the contracts that expire at end of ‘24).
 

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OK, I’ll bite (and I will admit that I’m not overly bullish on this year’s team. Or next year’s). Here’s a possible path:

1). Rotation gets healthy— I don’t believe they will have a true #1. But Sale, Kluber, Bello, Paxton, Pivetta is a fairly deep rotation (for reference look at the Os rotation). Presuming Sale is healthy and recaptures his command (not crazy given he’s pitched like 30 innings in the past 3 years)
2). This lines up the pen— Jansen, Martin, Whitlock, Houck, Schreiber, WinckowskI, etc.
3). They can hold serve on offense until Story/Duvall return. Yoshida hits and Casa figures it out.

I’m not saying this is this most likely outcome, rather, their most reasonable path towards contention. That being said, I think the plan all along has been ‘25 and beyond (look at all the contracts that expire at end of ‘24).
There's a lot more projection involved in the rotation being good than just getting healthy. I know we sometimes like to believe Bello is a lock to be Sandy Alcantara in the near future, but it isn't a given that he'll be very good this year, and certainly nothing surrounding Sale, Paxton and Whitlock as a starter are givens. Same with the lineup, it's a lot of hoping on a lot of guys performing to top percentile outcomes/potential.
 

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I think the team needs to be realistic about their chances this year (not basing this on the 6-8 start, just the reality of where they are likely to end up) and focus on getting Bello, Whitlock, and Houck as many innings as possible. Keep Winckowski in the major league pen as long as he’s effective and determine if he can be asset there: Need to finally figure out if Houck / Whitlock can be starters and commit to accepting the bumps along the way. Moving them to the pen to make room for Kluber / Paxton / Pivetta feels short sighted to me. It’s probably the best move for this year, though. So I don’t know.
 

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The team Bloom took over featured three potential hall-of-famers all under the age of 26. The lineup that Bloom put on the field yesterday featured only three players total who've compiled more than 3 bWAR for their entire careers. This team is much further away from championship contention than it was in 2019. It's not even close.

Yes, the 2019 Red Sox also carried two kind of cumbersome contracts, but what an actual good GM would do would be to find a way to dump and/or build around those contracts without also having to get rid of the best player the franchise has developed since World War II. The Mariners found a way to get rid of Robinson Cano's contract; (and got Jared freaking Kelenic in return!); Cherington got rid of Carl Crawford's; DD managed to build a World Series roster despite still carrying the bad contracts of Hanley Ramirez and Pablo Sandoval.

To suggest that the franchise has a better future now than it did when Mookie, X, and Devers were all on the team and under 26 simply because David Price's contract is gone and the farm system is now middle-of-the-pack (thanks, in large part to guys like Brayan Bello and Triston Casas, who were already here when Bloom came in) is some serious prospect industrial complex/cult of the GM absurdity. And the billionaire owners who have spent the better part of the last 20 years trying to convince the fans that being cheap is the same the same thing as being smart thank you.
The fact that for most of Bloom's tenure is that when I look at the AL East standings, I usually need to look down to fourth or fifth place to find my favorite team. The fact that he gave away two immensely talented players for Verdugo, Wong and salary relief simply stinks. Those two players, along with Devers Should have been the core for 5 to 8 years. I get that the Sale deal id albatross, so what! Most of our competition carries three or four well paid superstars and play over the cap. How the Rays consistently find players who suddenly become great contributors for bargain prices is beyond me. Clearly, Chaim did not bring that ability with him when he came from Tampa to Boston. With the Sox ticket prices the fans deserve ownership that demands superstar players be kept or that the jettisoning of those players makes Boston a winner. It was one thing to trade Nomar in 2004 and win the World Series, this is far different. The current Sox team looks like it is in a life and death battle for fourth place or the Bloom era will be defined by last place finishes. That is what he would and should be remembered for. He and his executive team have made far too many poor choices when it comes to building the Red Sox into a consistent winner. Will his tenure be that of a consistent doormat instead. Plenty of time to fix the team this year but can he do that. Do we have the pieces in place to pry away the talent from small market teams to allwo us to fight for athe penant instead of fighting to stay out of the basement.
 

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Those two players, along with Devers Should have been the core for 5 to 8 years. I get that the Sale deal id albatross, so what! Most of our competition carries three or four well paid superstars and play over the cap.
Aside from the Yankees (and even they have been more cap conscious than they used to), who among the Sox' competition carries three or four well paid superstars and play over the cap? Not the Rays. Not the Jays. Not the Astros. Not the Mariners. Not the Guardians.

Even teams that do exceed the cap significantly, like say the Dodgers, only do so for a couple years before dialing back and reloading. And they succeed in doing that for two reasons: a better pipeline of cheap quality players and, by and large, a weaker division. You have that pipeline of quality cost-effective players, you can afford to sign three superstars to contracts totaling $100M+ per year and not have it hamstring you in other areas. If you don't, and your rebuild/reload coincides with more than half the division being on the upswing, and 4th and 5th place is where you end up.

Do we have the pieces in place to pry away the talent from small market teams to allwo us to fight for athe penant instead of fighting to stay out of the basement.
This is an out-dated notion. Teams just don't "pry away" talent from small market teams anymore. Teams aren't desperate to give away top talent just to save a couple bucks. That approach is also not how good teams sustain success.
 

lexrageorge

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Yeah, the new CBA has simply accelerated the trend of even small market teams paying their top young players before they reach free agency. Any major moves the Sox make this season really should be focused on the future.
 

tims4wins

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Yeah, the new CBA has simply accelerated the trend of even small market teams paying their top young players before they reach free agency. Any major moves the Sox make this season really should be focused on the future.
Ugh. It’s been 4 years since we’ve been able to focus on the present.