Western Conference Finals game thread: Dallas Stars v. Vegas Knights

Ale Xander

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Salem's Lot

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Dobby to the SCF.
I’m rooting hard for Dallas.

1. Because Dobby is a good dude.
2. Because F Tampa
3. Because I want Seguin to win one so that the Bruins remind themselves of how dumb a trade that was the next time they even think about trading someone that young and talented.
 

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Seguin has been excellent IMO. He's missing it at the offensive end, no doubt, but he's been a 200 foot player and working his sack off. I wouldn't be surprised if he's got an UBI...
 

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I’m rooting hard for Dallas.

1. Because Dobby is a good dude.
2. Because F Tampa
3. Because I want Seguin to win one so that the Bruins remind themselves of how dumb a trade that was the next time they even think about trading someone that young and talented.
All of the above and I would be happy for Pavelski and Jamie Benn, they are gamers.
 

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The problem with Sequin issue is we don’t know what the counter factual would have been if he hadn’t been traded. Maybe the trade woke him up and changed his career trajectory? Maybe he stays in Boston and wakes up? Who knows.
 

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That's true. He's in the bubble now which means if he shows up to practice in the same clothes two days in a row again at least there's an excuse.

From what I can tell he apparently has grown up a bit while in Dallas, went to a few protests, always wore a mask etc.
 

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Its almost like he was 21 when we traded him away and now he's 28. I like the way he's leading on issues now though.
 

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He probably stays at RW with the Bruins, but who knows.

It was a bad trade but for some reason the Bruins seem immune to these things. Has any other franchise in all of sports traded superstars like Thornton and Seguin for nothing and didn't skip a beat, probably got better?
 

Smiling Joe Hesketh

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The Bruins certainly didn't get better from those deals, as they made the classic "trading a horse for three ponies" type of trade. Missed the playoffs the two years after they traded Thornton with losing records, and only one of the players they got for him did a damn thing in getting the Bruins back to respectability (Sturm), although Stuart did bring back Ference later. The Thornton trade also cost Mike O'Connell his job.

After trading Seguin they went from Stanley Cup Finalist, to second round losers (blowing a 3-1 lead in the process to MON, what an awful series that was), to two straight years of missing the playoffs.

I wouldn't call them immune at all. Both trades hurt the team short term. Longer term they overcame their mistakes but longer term means the impact lessens as the years go by.

They damn sure didn't get better from those deals.
 

Smiling Joe Hesketh

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Honestly the biggest sign of Seguin's maturity is his willingess to block shots and contribute even when his offensive game isn't working. I nearly fell off my couch a few times hearing the announcers say "Blocked shot by Seguin." 2013 Seguin would never have done that.
 

cshea

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The Bruins certainly didn't get better from those deals, as they made the classic "trading a horse for three ponies" type of trade. Missed the playoffs the two years after they traded Thornton with losing records, and only one of the players they got for him did a damn thing in getting the Bruins back to respectability (Sturm), although Stuart did bring back Ference later. The Thornton trade also cost Mike O'Connell his job.

After trading Seguin they went from Stanley Cup Finalist, to second round losers (blowing a 3-1 lead in the process to MON, what an awful series that was), to two straight years of missing the playoffs.

I wouldn't call them immune at all. Both trades hurt the team short term. Longer term they overcame their mistakes but longer term means the impact lessens as the years go by.

They damn sure didn't get better from those deals.
Sorry, I wasn't arguing that they got the better end of those deals. Just pointing out that they kind of just rolled on and there was very little long term impact. They were back in the playoffs 3 years after trading Thornton and won the Presidents Trophy in the next season. After dealing Seguin the Bruins have won 2 Presidents trophy's and been to a Cup. I don't think the Seguin trade was the complete catalyst for the 2 years they missed the playoffs after trading him. They went all in on the 13/14 team and had to deal with the cap ramifications afterwards. The 2 years they missed the playoffs they had 95 and 96 points too so it's not like they completely bottomed out.

I just think for a lot of teams, those would be catastrophic. In both case the Bruins take a quick step back but rebounded far quicker than one would expect after dealing franchise cornerstones for what amounts to nothing. You could probably include the Hamilton trade in there too.
 

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Honestly the biggest sign of Seguin's maturity is his willingess to block shots and contribute even when his offensive game isn't working. I nearly fell off my couch a few times hearing the announcers say "Blocked shot by Seguin." 2013 Seguin would never have done that.
I was shocked at this too and him killing penalties. Clearly not 2013 Seguin.