Week 9 Game Thread

PseuFighter

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it pains me to kinda sorta be rooting for the giants right now. what a lost cause.
 

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Richardson's like the anti-Ridley: he always seems to get like two fewer yards than it looks like he will. He's supposed to be powerful, but he doesn't really grind out extra yards after initial contact.
 

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WayBackVazquez said:
This has got to be the end of the road for Coughlin, right?
 
I wouldn't be surprised if Coughlin retires or gets forced out at the end of the season but I'm not sure coaching is the problem with this team.  The talent level just isn't there, which is what happens when you have three (2011-2013) bad-to-mediocre drafts in a row and you don't kill it in free agency to compensate. Jerry Reese's previous successes still make him bullet proof but he really hasn't given Coughlin much to work with.
 

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WayBackVazquez said:
This has got to be the end of the road for Coughlin, right?
I looked at this a while ago. Jimmie Johnson aside, multiple SB winners who get fired have only been shown the door when they've gone something like a decade without a SB appearance. Owners aren't as patient as they used to be, and Coughlin's success has been flukier than prior multiple winners, but I think the smart money says he'll leave NY on his own terms.
 

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maufman said:
I looked at this a while ago. Jimmie Johnson aside, multiple SB winners who get fired have only been shown the door when they've gone something like a decade without a SB appearance. Owners aren't as patient as they used to be, and Coughlin's success has been flukier than prior multiple winners, but I think the smart money says he'll leave NY on his own terms.
 
I agree.  Unless he retires he's back for 2015.
 

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Damnit. If beckham gets another catch I'm going to punch coughlin in the face. Just kneel assholes.
 

Deathofthebambino

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Well, doesn't seem to be any other reason for people to be watching the game, so I guess I'll post mine.  I'm down one point.  I have Beckham and Bradshaw and he has Vinatieri.  It should have been over a long time ago, seeing as how I was only down 3 going into tonight, but 19 fucking points from AV, and here we are.  Can Odell get me 2 more points?
 
 
 

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Sucks this was so non competitive needed a little more out of Allen and Bradshaw for Draft Kings finished ten points out of the big money
 

Deathofthebambino

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OMFG, Colts challenge first down ruling on Beckham's catch, and win, and get the ball back.  So help me God, if the Colts kick a field goal here, I'm going to break something.  A tie sucks, but under the circumstances, I'll take it.
 

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Deathofthebambino said:
OMFG, Colts challenge first down ruling on Beckham's catch, and win, and get the ball back.  So help me God, if the Colts kick a field goal here, I'm going to break something.  A tie sucks, but under the circumstances, I'll take it.
Damnit I thought he might've fumbled. I'm going to lost by .76. Needed that one point from starting Gore over Sproles.
 

PseuFighter

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Was wondering if you guys were talking about gambling or fantasy right there (or both, I guess).
 

Deathofthebambino

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Don't feel bad.  I have Mike Evans on my bench. 
 
I will literally flip out if the Colts kick a field goal and I lose to a 20+ point day from a kicker for the third time this year in this league.
 

Deathofthebambino

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Well, shouldn't be a field goal now.  Think the Giants offense will try to run a couple more plays, or will they just run it out?  Man, it's amazing how often fantasy leagues and betting come down to the last few minutes of a meaningless drive on Monday night.
 

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They still have to visit CLE and DAL, but if the Colts beat the Pats in two weeks, they have an outside chance of winning out.
 

WayBackVazquez

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maufman said:
I looked at this a while ago. Jimmie Johnson aside, multiple SB winners who get fired have only been shown the door when they've gone something like a decade without a SB appearance. Owners aren't as patient as they used to be, and Coughlin's success has been flukier than prior multiple winners, but I think the smart money says he'll leave NY on his own terms.
 
This is kind of an extremely small sample, isn't it? How many multiple Super Bowl winners who have failed to make the playoffs in five of six years did not get fired?
 

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WayBackVazquez said:
 
This is kind of an extremely small sample, isn't it? How many multiple Super Bowl winners who have failed to make the playoffs in five of six years did not get fired?
Lombardi, Shula, Landry, Noll, Flores, Walsh, Gibbs, Parcells, Johnson, Seifert, Shanahan, Belichick, Coughlin. I might have missed one.

Shanahan is the only guy on that list who was forced out by an owner not named Jerry Jones. He won one playoff game in his last ten seasons in Denver.
 

WayBackVazquez

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Belichick failed to make the playoffs five times in six seasons and didn't get fired? I must have missed that stretch.
 
The answer is, pretty much none. No multiple SB-winning coach has experienced an extended level of suck--especially in the wild card era--like Coughlin. He won't be back next year; whether they move him to the front office, or he "retires," he will not be welcomed back.
 

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WayBackVazquez said:
Belichick failed to make the playoffs five times in six seasons and didn't get fired? I must have missed that stretch.
 
The answer is, pretty much none. No multiple SB-winning coach has experienced an extended level of suck--especially in the wild card era--like Coughlin. He won't be back next year; whether they move him to the front office, or he "retires," he will not be welcomed back.
The Giants won the Super Bowl three years ago. They were 10-6 the year before that. Last season's 7-9 mark was Coughlin's first losing season since his first season in New York. I'll bet Giants' ownership would disagree with your assessment is "an extended level of suck."

As I said, owners are less patient than they used to be, and Coughlin's success was more fluky than the other multiple winners, so I don't think he can muddle through for another four or five years without some positive results, but if he isn't back in 2015, it will be his choice.

Edit: The second half of Chuck Noll's tenure in Pittsburgh was as unimpressive as anything on Coughlin's resume, but as I said, owners aren't as patient as they once were.
 

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maufman said:
The Giants won the Super Bowl three years ago. They were 10-6 the year before that. Last season's 7-9 mark was Coughlin's first losing season since his first season in New York. I'll bet Giants' ownership would disagree with your assessment is "an extended level of suck."
 
Missing the playoffs in five of six seasons in the wild card era is enough of an extended level of suck that every coach who presides over such a period is shown the door.
 

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WayBackVazquez said:
 
Missing the playoffs in five of six seasons in the wild card era is enough of an extended level of suck that every coach who presides over such a period is shown the door.
Even when the sixth year is a Super Bowl win, and where one of the other five is a 10-6 season?
 

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maufman said:
Even when the sixth year is a Super Bowl win, and where one of the other five is a 10-6 season?
 
Do you at all recall that he was widely thought to be on the verge of shitcanning before the 2nd Super Bowl? He hadn't even had losing seasons at that point. And he was coming off of one of those magical, 10-win, no playoff seasons.
 

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maufman said:
The Giants won the Super Bowl three years ago. They were 10-6 the year before that. Last season's 7-9 mark was Coughlin's first losing season since his first season in New York. I'll bet Giants' ownership would disagree with your assessment is "an extended level of suck."

As I said, owners are less patient than they used to be, and Coughlin's success was more fluky than the other multiple winners, so I don't think he can muddle through for another four or five years without some positive results, but if he isn't back in 2015, it will be his choice.

Edit: The second half of Chuck Noll's tenure in Pittsburgh was as unimpressive as anything on Coughlin's resume, but as I said, owners aren't as patient as they once were.
Aren't the Rooneys known for their patience with coaches?
 

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WayBackVazquez said:
 
Do you at all recall that he was widely thought to be on the verge of shitcanning before the 2nd Super Bowl? He hadn't even had losing seasons at that point. And he was coming off of one of those magical, 10-win, no playoff seasons.
Weren't they 9-7 both super bowl seasons as well?
 
edit:  and being in NYC I can definitely say that before they won the super bowl it was widely speculated that he was done here.  
 

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lars10 said:
Weren't they 9-7 both super bowl seasons as well?
 
edit:  and being in NYC I can definitely say that before they won the super bowl it was widely speculated that he was done here.  
 
They were 10-6 when they beat the 16-0 Patriots, 9-7 when they won for a second time vs the Patriots.
 
He was a goal line stand vs the Redskins away from being fired in 2007; they won that game, he stayed on as coach and the rest is history sadly.
 
 

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54thMA said:
 
They were 10-6 when they beat the 16-0 Patriots, 9-7 when they won for a second time vs the Patriots.
 
He was a goal line stand vs the Redskins away from being fired in 2007; they won that game, he stayed on as coach and the rest is history sadly.
 
In 2011 there were Giants fans calling into WFAN and wondering if it was even worth it to make the playoffs, since they were certain to lose early anyway and wouldn't it be better just to lose a couple at the end of the regular season and get a better draft pick.

I'm still so angry.