Week 14 NFL Game Thread
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Was just about to pull the trigger on a near identical post.
If you only watched the Patriots you would think football has some issues but is still pretty great. If you never watched them you would think it’s the worst way to spend 3 hours.
Brees is overrated, IMO. His counting stats are massive year in year out, but his 15+ interceptions every other year are what cost his team games. This year, his counting stats are way down, and New Orleans is having it's best season in forever, because they've taken the game off his shoulders and put it on the running game and the defense.
Not until the Super Bowl anyway. The GOAT has had some big time head scratchers himself.
Payton might really regret that boneheaded penalty. Atlanta now has a real path to winning the division and knocking the Saints down to a wild card game on the road. The bye is now gone and we know the Saints are a decidedly worse team on the road. Just awful.
I thought Ryan's throw on third down in the red zone for an easy pick was just as bad.
The Payton penalty was the worst though. The fumble ended up really hurting because it kept the clock running and so he couldn't get the immediate time out. Not sure why none of the players called time out anyway. But once you don't get the time out right away the thing to do is just let the clock run down to :25 or so and make them run the third down play or maybe the Falcons call time out. When you only have one left it really doesn't matter much if you call it after second or after third down. Either way you lose 40 seconds. And actually, if you just let the clock run after second down instead of third down there's a chance they try to pass on third down and maybe you even save the time out if it's incomplete.
Who would have thought that a stupi formation penalty with four seconds left on a field goal wouldn't be one of the top three stupid plays of the night?
The Payton penalty was the worst though. The fumble ended up really hurting because it kept the clock running and so he couldn't get the immediate time out. Not sure why none of the players called time out anyway. But once you don't get the time out right away the thing to do is just let the clock run down to :25 or so and make them run the third down play or maybe the Falcons call time out. When you only have one left it really doesn't matter much if you call it after second or after third down. Either way you lose 40 seconds. And actually, if you just let the clock run after second down instead of third down there's a chance they try to pass on third down and maybe you even save the time out if it's incomplete.
Who would have thought that a stupi formation penalty with four seconds left on a field goal wouldn't be one of the top three stupid plays of the night?
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They were only going to get the ball back with, at best, 25 seconds and no timeouts. I don't think the penalty really changed the outcome. Ginn's injury, which cost them a timeout, really killed them because it would have given them the ball back with about a minute left.
No chance Atlanta would have thrown on third down there. They would have been punting with like 25 seconds left, and after the punt lands, and the receiver catches, it's down to like 20 seconds. The way the Atlanta defense was playing, even Quinn couldn't be that stupid. I agree if Atlanta was getting the ball back with more time, then that's the right play because you might bait them into a pass on third down, but not with what was left on the clock.
Edit: Don't get me wrong. Its' an idiotic penalty. I just don't think it mattered all that much in the end.
Likely not but you never know. And he never gave them a shot, which is terrible. One chunk play or PI and they had a chance.
You remember the Seahawks Super Bowl, right?
I'll give him a pass on the Bobby Wagner freak play, and the Alford robber pick-6, but that one to Jeremy Lane was like Brady had a psychotic break.
I'm not seeing it. The Falcons simply aren't that good this year - they might get to 10-6, but I can't see them winning in New Orleans unless Kamara and others are still injured two weeks from now. Too many mistakes, too much bad clock management, too little good quarterback play. I will be a Matty Ice apologist and say that his bad play this year is probably as much down to his discomfort with the Sarkisian offense as it is sheer regression to the mean...and he hasn't had *that* many interceptions which were his fault this year. (Two of them were bad last night, but the one to start the second half was another drop by Hooper; I think some of Atlanta's pass catchers have regressed to the mean more than Ryan this season.)
Just look at the two picks Brady threw last year in the regular season. He's always had some head scratchers.
Brady also had an awful pick in the end zone against the Panthers in XXXVIII where a TD would have pretty much put the game away. Instead Delhomme threw an 85 yard TD to Muhammed a few plays later and the Pats were playing from behind for the first time since like November of that season.
Not saying it’s likely but there’s a real path to do so now. They have TB next, which will likely be a win putting them at 9-5. Then, it all comes down to that game in New Orleans. Win that and they’re 10-5 with a tiebreaker on the Saints. The Panthers have to play Minnesota, Rodgers, etc. They may drop a couple before they’re done.
I mean, the quote was "in his entire career", but I'm not really giving you a hard time over it. It's just that it doesn't take much thought to come up with however many "unforgivable picks" by Brady you like. In the aggregate, sure, he's been one of the best QBs ever at taking care of the ball, which was basically your point. But I'm not sure there's any particular ability to avoid "OMGWTFINT"s over and above a generalized ability to avoid INTs at all.
Yup. Stuff happens, but 13 points at least left on the table there but teams that usually execute.
You know what, I'm going to revise my statement. Tom Brady has never done anything unforgivable. I forgive him for everything. EVERYTHING.
I think his worst ever, given the moment, was the interception in the Carolina Super Bowl. Third and goal from the nine, up 5, and he just threw an awful pass taking three points off the board with a chance to go up 8 with 7:48 left. It's just kind of forgotten because of how dramatic the next 7 minutes were.
I don't know how you could look into those eyes and come to any other conclusion.
I think the interception he threw to Champ Bailey in the DEN playoff game several years ago is right up there with the worst of them.
I’m going to submit the INT on first down in the 2011 Ravens AFCCG game by throwing a bomb in the middle of the field to Matthew freaking Slater who was triple-covered with future HOFer Ed Reed being one of those defenders. And this was right after Spikes made a huge INT to get the ball back.
Some of Brady’s bad red zone throws were the result of him getting pressure and making a bad decision. This one was purely a really, really bad decision that I was sure would cost them the game.
Yep.
And in the two SB losses, he actually had some awesome stretches: the TD drive to put the Pats up 14-10 with about 2 minutes left in SB42, and the back to back TD drives at end of haf/beginning of half in SB46 in which he went like 90 plus yards on each with something like 16 straight completions.
Play in enough of these games as the lynchpin of your team and there will be some fuck-ups.
The thing about Brady's bad throws is that there is so few of them, really, compared to any other quarterback (or any of the other great quarterbacks who have their own long runs of important playoff games) that it is just astounding.
Imagine what Farve would look like if he had played with Brady's discretion.
I'm still baffled by the INT in the Jonas Gray 15-minutes-of-fame game vs. Indy, but whatever. If anything, Brady could have double the total # of bad passes in meaningful games and he would still be amazing.
Imagine what Farve would look like if he had played with Brady's discretion.
I'm still baffled by the INT in the Jonas Gray 15-minutes-of-fame game vs. Indy, but whatever. If anything, Brady could have double the total # of bad passes in meaningful games and he would still be amazing.
What effect will the weather have on the balls? Deflate them? Not fair to the dome team. Colts should complain
I'd have to see a replay of that. Not sure it was on Jimmy. On first look, it seemed like the receiver just stopped on his route.
They really need to slow down with his hall of fame preparations. He is looking super shaky in the early part of this game.
Oh well, he will be fine in the long run, but it doesn't hurt that he isn't playing amazing (help the draft pick).
It could have been picked by the LB underneath too, but the receiver did stumble a bit.
Not the best pass in the world into that coverage.
49ers messsageboard is questioning his receivers’ routes too. Seemed to be OK last week.
"That punt looked like a pitching wedge on a links course in the UK."
Kicking in the snow is rough.
Kicking in the snow is rough.
