Week 12 NFL Game thread

radsoxfan

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That's probably the most egregious defensive time management end of game I have ever seen.

Unreal bad decision after bad decision.
 

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Lions 100% need to pull a Cardinals. Just admit immediately that your Coach and QB moves didn't work and move on after 1 year.
 

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Lions 100% need to pull a Cardinals. Just admit immediately that your Coach and QB moves didn't work and move on after 1 year.
Agreed. I see no real upside here and the in-game stuff from Campbell would definitely be enough to move on.

The talent is bad and everyone knew they would be bad, but even accounting for that, they're worse than they should be.

Time for a re-boot rather than another lost year or two.
 

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watching the Lions butcher time management, I knew it wasn't going to make a difference.

Bears will kick the FG at the buzzer,

Lions lose and cover.

I think I've lost at least 6 games like that this year.
 

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Campbell's time management was as bad as you'll ever see in an NFL game. I feel badly for the guy, you can tell her really wants it. But he's holding on too tight because that was not an acceptable performance and his actions directly caused his team to have absolutely no chance.
 

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Agreed. I see no real upside here and the in-game stuff from Campbell would definitely be enough to move on.

The talent is bad and everyone knew they would be bad, but even accounting for that, they're worse than they should be.

Time for a re-boot rather than another lost year or two.
The Lions are 30th in point differential, and might move up a spot or two with this respectable loss. They are 31st or 32nd in talent — only the Jets are in the discussion.

I don’t watch the Lions closely enough to know how their 1st and 2nd year players are playing, but that’s what I’d be looking at in deciding whether to move on from Campbell or bring him back in 2022. I don’t think it’s a no-brainer either way.
 

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This franchise is just going to keep getting passed down to the next incompetent Ford family member. The Lions are stuck in an infinite loop of suck.
 

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The Lions are 30th in point differential, and might move up a spot or two with this respectable loss. They are 31st or 32nd in talent — only the Jets are in the discussion.

I don’t watch the Lions closely enough to know how their 1st and 2nd year players are playing, but that’s what I’d be looking at in deciding whether to move on from Campbell or bring him back in 2022. I don’t think it’s a no-brainer either way.
I'd move on. Now maybe he's amazing in practice, but the easiest things to judge a coach on are in-game management, player preparedness and penalties.

The Lions are one of the most penalized teams... and particularly notable lead the league in delay of game penalties. Their clock management has been terrible all year, and a bunch of other decisions (including how they handled that 3rd and 32 today) have been baffling.

The Lions aren't talented, but at the same time, their coach is not helping them at all. He was a weird choice in the first place since his rep is more as a "culture/personality" guy who doesn't bring scheme advantages on either side.
 

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I'd move on. Now maybe he's amazing in practice, but the easiest things to judge a coach on are in-game management, player preparedness and penalties.

The Lions are one of the most penalized teams... and particularly notable lead the league in delay of game penalties. Their clock management has been terrible all year, and a bunch of other decisions (including how they handled that 3rd and 32 today) have been baffling.

The Lions aren't talented, but at the same time, their coach is not helping them at all. He was a weird choice in the first place since his rep is more as a "culture/personality" guy who doesn't bring scheme advantages on either side.
Too many kneecaps are being eaten. Doesn't leave time for practice or discipline.
 

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Can’t say I’m surprised at the move or that it wasn’t the wise one mathematically, but Nagy showed no confidence at all in his defense on potentially stopping the Lions with fairly little potential time left with a potential 5 or 7 point lead.
lots of risk to put on the holder and kicker, even if mathematically the right move.
 

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... a bunch of other decisions (including how they handled that 3rd and 32 today) have been baffling.
Which one? There were two.

The offensive and defensive lines are a mess. Little pressure on Dalton, holding penalties and false starts (as Buck pointed out, false starts at home.) Goff rarely went beyond 6 yards on a pass, didn't have time.

The punt team member who couldn't find the ball, the defense not knowing the alignment (causing the back to back timeouts), the crossing route receiver who ran on a diagonal instead of crossing (giving the d-back time break up the pass).

They had one drive and one 40-yard TD pass. Otherwise, it was a mess
 

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Reminder:

Jim Caldwell Lions wins: 11, 7, 9, 9

Patricia: 6, 3, 4

Campbell: 0 (for now)
 

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I'd move on. Now maybe he's amazing in practice, but the easiest things to judge a coach on are in-game management, player preparedness and penalties.

The Lions are one of the most penalized teams... and particularly notable lead the league in delay of game penalties. Their clock management has been terrible all year, and a bunch of other decisions (including how they handled that 3rd and 32 today) have been baffling.

The Lions aren't talented, but at the same time, their coach is not helping them at all. He was a weird choice in the first place since his rep is more as a "culture/personality" guy who doesn't bring scheme advantages on either side.
See, that’s exactly what I mean. I’m not knowledgeable enough to evaluate Lions’ ownership and their overall effectiveness, but hiring a “culture/personality guy” to lead a rebuild feels like the right choice. If the young players are developing, I wouldn’t let some close losses and bad clock management cause me to change course. On the other hand, if the young players aren’t coming along well, then of course it’s time to cut bait.
 
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Reminder:

Jim Caldwell Lions wins: 11, 7, 9, 9

Patricia: 6, 3, 4

Campbell: 0 (for now)
Jim Caldwell was the anti-Campbell. He was a decent coach who made some mistakes but got a lot more flak than he deserved because he didn't react to anything (where people love the Belichick does that), where Campbell is high energy rah rah guy who makes nothing buy mistakes. Caldwell got screwed, by the time people realized he was misjudged he had health problems that made him not interested in a HC job.
 

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That is an incredible save. It cannot be overstated how great that move was.

But it probably wasn't a catch. It's close.
 

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I don’t know what this commercial is for but I like it

edit…what the fuck. Chipotle? That was weird
 

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There were 15 enforced penalties in the Bears-Lions game. So far in this one, there have been nine