We Wish You Well Jackie Bradley Jr. (DFA 8.4.22)

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I guess you have pretty low expectations of what "isn't cooked" looks like. He's hitting .217/.308/.348. He has five hits including three doubles in 9 games played so far. He has struck out five times. Not exactly setting the world on fire.

More importantly, JBJ had an 9 game stretch last year from July 11 to July 21 where he slashed .333/.379/.484. He had 9 hits including 2 doubles and a triple. He struck out five times in this stretch. No idea if the bat speed was there or if he was hitting the ball pretty hard, but he hit .112/.171/.153 the rest of the season, so not much predictive value there, I think.



Edit - he had a similarly good eight game stretch from June 27 to July 4 where he hit .357/.400/.429. I'll bet there were Brewers fans who thought on July 21, "Thank god, he's finally turned the corner!"

And if there's one thing we should all know about JBJ by now is that he is the streakiest player in baseball history - there's no way one should assume too much predictive value to what he does over a short period of play.
So you're saying we should hold off until game 12?
 

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Nope... Hence the "so far" leading my post.

Mostly, so far I have been highly critical of the decision to go with Bradley as more than a defensive replacement or emergency spot starter.

He hasn't been terrible, and that's all I acknowledged.

Tomorrow is another data point.
Count me in this camp: I was sure they would have JBJ as defensive replacement/emergency OF starter. I was quite wrong of course, and maybe JBJ seizes this opportunity and never lets go, but I still think the trade partners are on speed dial just in case.
 

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I guess you have pretty low expectations of what "isn't cooked" looks like. He's hitting .217/.308/.348. He has five hits including three doubles in 9 games played so far. He has struck out five times. Not exactly setting the world on fire.

More importantly, JBJ had an 9 game stretch last year from July 11 to July 21 where he slashed .333/.379/.484. He had 9 hits including 2 doubles and a triple. He struck out five times in this stretch. No idea if the bat speed was there or if he was hitting the ball pretty hard, but he hit .112/.171/.153 the rest of the season, so not much predictive value there, I think.



Edit - he had a similarly good eight game stretch from June 27 to July 4 where he hit .357/.400/.429. I'll bet there were Brewers fans who thought on July 21, "Thank god, he's finally turned the corner!"

And if there's one thing we should all know about JBJ by now is that he is the streakiest player in baseball history - there's no way one should assume too much predictive value to what he does over a short period of play.
Completely agree. It's far too small of a sample size and, as you've noted, Bradley's streakiness is well-established and if this turns out to be a "hot streak" then it's a pretty sorry excuse for one.

Still. In the same way that his early season returns aren't proof that he's NOT cooked, they at least aren't also proof that he IS cooked, which is all we can hope for at the moment. If he started the season with one of those .110/.170/.150 slash lines I think the torch-and-pitchfork crowd would be ready to stick a fork (pitch- or otherwise) in him. At this stage in the season and in his career, I'll settle for "we can't prove he's cooked yet."
 

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And a week has gone by since Justin Upton was cut by the Angels, and neither the Sox or the Twins (who were rumored to be interested) have signed him. It looks like Bloom is going with what he's got.
 

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And if there's one thing we should all know about JBJ by now is that he is the streakiest player in baseball history - there's no way one should assume too much predictive value to what he does over a short period of play.
Agreed. However, it is encouraging to see that he's been able to more than just hang in there thusfar. I think you're underselling his batting, given that batting overall seems depressed: today's MLB average OPS is .689.

I don't expect that will hold up all year, but enjoy it while it's happening, whatever the reasons are.

Also, today's his birthday.
 

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FWIW, Franchy has 50 PA in AAA, now, and is flat out crushing it. .348/.400/.674, with 3 HR and 6 2B, but also with 16 K to 4 BB.

Duran had another COVID positive, so he barely has any sample.
 

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I guess you have pretty low expectations of what "isn't cooked" looks like. He's hitting .217/.308/.348. He has five hits including three doubles in 9 games played so far. He has struck out five times. Not exactly setting the world on fire.
He's been an above average hitter so far this year. Yeah it's only 10 games, but if he puts up his current line over a full season then he's absolutely not cooked and the trade was a home run.
 

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JBJ just missed seeing the birth of his third child
ANAHEIM, Calif. — Jackie Bradley Jr. had a gut feeling before boarding the team flight to the West Coast that his wife Erin would go into labor soon after he arrived in the Bay Area.


That’s exactly what happened.


Bradley made the trip all the way to California with his Red Sox teammates, then boarded a flight home to Florida before the first game of Boston’s 10-game road trip Friday in Oakland.


He unfortunately didn’t make it to the hospital on time. Erin gave birth to their third child, Elle, about an hour and a half before he arrived.
“I was upset,” Bradley told MassLive.com here at Angel Stadium. “I wanted to obviously see the birth of my daughter. I’ve seen the birth of both my other kids. So it’s not one of those things where it’s just like, ‘Ah, whatever. I’ll just miss it.’ I wanted to be there.”



Bradley’s rush to make it home to Naples, Fla., — and his rush back to rejoin the team here in Anaheim on Monday — is an example of how difficult life is sometimes for big leaguers who are dads to newborns.



Paternity leave in Major League Baseball is only 1-3 days.



“It ain’t easy,” Bradley said. “I think it’s just the dynamic that this sport, this business plays that a lot of people don’t really recognize. I mean, I’m not complaining. It’s different.”



Bradley added that a lot of parents in other professions have it much tougher than him.



“I feel much due respect to military people who at times might not even see their families for months at a time,” Bradley said. “So I think it’s just all putting things in perspective. Thankfully, hopefully, everything goes well and I’ll be able to see my family soon. I’ll be able to rejoin them.”



Red Sox catcher Christian Vázquez can relate to Bradley’s situation. Vázquez’s wife Gabby gave birth to their second child right before the start of the 2022 MLB regular season. Vázquez had only a few days to enjoy it before heading to New York for Opening Day vs. the Yankees.
https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2022/06/boston-red-soxs-jackie-bradley-jr-just-missing-third-childs-birth-an-example-of-different-life-for-big-leaguers-with-newborns-it-aint-easy.html
 

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I mean it is no surprise that he was cooked as a hitter. But, he's been worse as a defender as well. Not to say he's a bad defender, but he's not what he once was. It was assumed that he'd be a backup OF for this team which would have been fine, but to put him a position where he'd fail is on Bloom. There's no way at this stage of his career that he should have been a starter.
 

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I mean it is no surprise that he was cooked as a hitter. But, he's been worse as a defender as well. Not to say he's a bad defender, but he's not what he once was. It was assumed that he'd be a backup OF for this team which would have been fine, but to put him a position where he'd fail is on Bloom. There's no way at this stage of his career that he should have been a starter.
I think Bloom had his chips on Suzuki and never had a backup plan after it fell through. Hopefully a lesson learned.
 

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Oh boy, this makes me sad. I guess someone will pick him up? I also think that there will be times when we say, "JBJ would have had that." Especially if Cora plays Verdugo in RF until Refsnyder is all better. The idea of Duran in RF is scary, also.
 

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Worthwhile gamble to see if a familiar situation would get him back to the player he used to be and it sort of worked - at Fenway (288/317/468). Of course, he hit 129/196/167 on the road which is really hard to figure out. Stuck too long with him, but better late than never, giving Duran the at bats is the right move. Sox will still pay him $8M next year.

Wish him luck, an important part of the Sox success in the past decade.
 

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This is sad news. But we’ll always have the 2018 ALCS and so many defensive highlights over the years. Best of luck, JBJ.
This is mostly my reaction. Watching JBJ play CF at his peak was a true joy and made every fly ball to center field an experience worth sitting forward and perking up for. His heroics in the 2018 ALCS are the cherry on top for me.

An exciting, home grown prospect that made good many times over. Best wishes, JBJ.

I mean it is no surprise that he was cooked as a hitter. But, he's been worse as a defender as well. Not to say he's a bad defender, but he's not what he once was. It was assumed that he'd be a backup OF for this team which would have been fine, but to put him a position where he'd fail is on Bloom. There's no way at this stage of his career that he should have been a starter.
I think Bloom had his chips on Suzuki and never had a backup plan after it fell through. Hopefully a lesson learned.
I also sort of agree with this, actually. Maybe the plan was Suzuki, maybe it was someone else. But it needed to be someone other than simply starting JBJ at this point in his career.

For instance, even if Suzuki was Plan A, I hoped Michael Conforto (who remains a free agent, so maybe there's some reason?) was at least Plan C or D? A Hunter Renfroe type with a career 120 OPS+ -- and, to be fair, bad defense -- who it seems unwisely turned down the Mets qualifying offer.
 

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Thank you for many great defensive plays and the 2018 postseason, Jackie!

I forgot just how good his 2016 season was. 267/.349/.486, 118 OPS+, 5.8 bWAR. He had a 72 game stretch where he hit .324/.411/.603 (April 30-July 26).
 
Red Sox riding with Jarren Duran. Jackie Bradley Jr. has been designated for assignment, according to a source
My definition of, "hope springs eternal," was based on the hope that JBJ would be able to stabilize his ability to take outside pitches to the opposite field on a consistent basis. Sadly, although he would have little hot streaks of doing that, his knuckelhead baseball self would always revert back to 4-3 groundouts. Best of luck, Jackie - you will always pop into my head when discussing the greatest defensive outfielders I have every seen.
 

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Watching him patrol centerfield defensively was an absolute pleasure and his play in the ALCS in 2018 was a huge reason for the Sox success. Wish him the best.
 

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I don’t care if he be hit .050, I’d rather see him on the team than Duran or Barnes
 

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I wish him all the best. He's the greatest defensive outfielder I've had the pleasure of watching on a regular basis and I will miss seeing him patrol center field (or right). Shame he couldn't hit.
 

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I don’t care if he be hit .050, I’d rather see him on the team than Duran or Barnes
Yup, but I get the call. I was lucky enough to be there in person for his last(?) game at Fenway and he made an absolutely vintage catch in CF. I'll miss him.
 

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I mean it is no surprise that he was cooked as a hitter. But, he's been worse as a defender as well. Not to say he's a bad defender, but he's not what he once was. It was assumed that he'd be a backup OF for this team which would have been fine, but to put him a position where he'd fail is on Bloom. There's no way at this stage of his career that he should have been a starter.
I thought this whole deal was about getting minor league depth with Binelas and Hamilton? At least that from what I read.

I don't think people thought of JBJ as a bench player when the season started. Prior to 2022, his only real bad year was 2021, right? Bloom's supposed to know he was cooked after 1 season in Milwaukee? I thought he would turn it around coming back to a familiar team. OK, I was wrong there, but I don't think too many people had him regressing further as he has.

So if you want to blame Bloom on using him as a starter and not putting him on the bench, OK. IIRC, we only had Plawecki, Arroyo and Arauz as our bench in April. The other option I guess was break camp with Duran and have one less bullpen guy. Not a lot of great options, but I guess that was the reality in April.
 

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The best defensive outfielder I've seen play, and yet still probably underrated because he was such a natural and often camped under or casually jogging to meet a ball at its final destination where others wouldn't pick it up off the bat and thus have to do a stupid dive to get there.
 

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I also sort of agree with this, actually. Maybe the plan was Suzuki, maybe it was someone else. But it needed to be someone other than simply starting JBJ at this point in his career.

For instance, even if Suzuki was Plan A, I hoped Michael Conforto (who remains a free agent, so maybe there's some reason?) was at least Plan C or D? A Hunter Renfroe type with a career 120 OPS+ -- and, to be fair, bad defense -- who it seems unwisely turned down the Mets qualifying offer.
I think Duran/Kiké in CF/RF was plan B.
 

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Always had a soft spot for him. Home grown guy, elite defender, and a few very well timed hot streaks. But as noted, cooked as a hitter now. And defense no longer enough to make up for that. But a decade of wow plays in center, and the 2018 post season forever his legacy. Hope he lands somewhere.
 

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Such a great outfield trio. I loved the three Bs and their celebrations. JBJ was a pleasure to watch patrol center for the Red Sox and an important player on maybe the best Red Sox team and run we have seen.

I get the move but I'll miss Jackie every time I see Duran take a bad route to a fly ball.
 
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Oh boy, this makes me sad. I guess someone will pick him up? I also think that there will be times when we say, "JBJ would have had that." Especially if Cora plays Verdugo in RF until Refsnyder is all better. The idea of Duran in RF is scary, also.
Duran probably has between now and Kike's return to show the Sox he belongs in their long-term OF plans.
 

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Bradley is my favorite active ball player. Well, I hope he’s still active. Amazing defender, great dude, streaky hitter.
 

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Some day, on my deathbed, I will think of what baseball and the Boston Red Sox meant to me. This is what I'll be picturing:
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Y’all on here that are SoSH lifers have taught me so much about baseball numbers and analysis and hidden trends and long view strategies…

But this… this is baseball. There’s no better narrative than the right players finding each other at the right time. Each of these three individually have their stat lines that measures their worth, projects their future… determines their end. How do you measure what is in this clip, though? Each of their worse stats was needed on this run to create each of the best stats. The statistically improbable grand slam becomes… inevitable. Foretold. The narrative demands it.

Sad to see this chapter close with the others. It hasn’t been a satisfying epilogue.
 
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I wish my reaction was sadness. But Jackie's streaky offense and the fact that hitting about Mendoza was a benchmark for him...made me crazy.

I also noticed that he wasn't quite what he was in earlier years defensively but he was still way better than most in my eyes.

BUT with Duran often looking over matched at the plate and totally lost in the field, I'm shaking my head a little on this one. (Though not as much as the Vazquez trade, which I still find really hard to explain in light of the prospects they got back, but I seriously digress).

Is there an economic angle that I am missing? I'm guessing that the answer is yes.
 

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Okay Bradley was a great outfielder in his hayday, but right now he brought nothing to the table. His exploits in center field, years ago is worthy of accolades but right now he is just another bad decision in Bloom's folder. Making things even worse is the 17 plus million still owed him. Does anyone think another major league team will pick him up? Highly, and I emphasis "highly" unlikely!
 

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It was not only the difficult plays. His entire style in the outfield was cool, relaxed, effortless. I loved watching him move under a routine fly ball. There would be this moment of stillness, and then he'd calmly put it away.

Of course, his hitting, especially when he was not 'on' was painful.

He was a class act. Like with Vasquez, I completely get why it had to happen, but it's just sad.
 

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Like mentioned above, JBJ's the best defensive player I've ever had the pleasure of seeing in person. Sad the reunion didn't work out, but nothing for JBJ to be ashamed about. A terrific Sox career. Thanks for those absolutely great 2016-2018 years, JBJ!
 

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Okay Bradley was a great outfielder in his hayday, but right now he brought nothing to the table. His exploits in center field, years ago is worthy of accolades but right now he is just another bad decision in Bloom's folder. Making things even worse is the 17 plus million still owed him. Does anyone think another major league team will pick him up? Highly, and I emphasis "highly" unlikely!
I think it's around $11M, not $17M, $3M for the remainder of this season and the $8M buyout for next year assuming no one picks him up off waivers (which of course they will not given the money).
 

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I absolutely love JBJ.

But if the Sox are trying to make the postseason, they needed to lengthen the lineup, and JBJ was understandably low on the 26 man totem pole, given his abyssal road game numbers.

I am a little surprised the Sox couldn't find a fit on one of the teams looking for a defensive OF. I mean, I'm not saying the deal would have been great, but they likely could have gotten something more than the ML minimum in return.

Regardless, I hope he catches on somewhere.