USMNT Summer 2024: Beauty is in the Eye of the Berhalter

Jed Zeppelin

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"Easy" is doing a lot of work here. They just lost 1 - 0 to the Elo #5 team, they beat the sad sack, and they lost a game where one of their players lost his mind and got himself kicked out of the game 20 minutes in. The group always hinged on their result against Panama, it was the game where they could least afford that kind of stupidity.
I don’t think making it harder for yourselves qualifies as a reason that the group wasn’t actually easy to advance from.
 

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Clint just bagged on Berhalter for knowing the Panama score. I haven’t heard anybody praising / defending him yet…
 

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I did about 60 seconds of Lalas and turned off the TV. Don’t know how you all can take any more of this tonight.
 

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It’s moments like this that make we wonder if the contrarian blowhard is just schtick that he turns off and on or if he just stumbles into the occasional correct observation like the proverbial broken clock.
He was an ok defender on teams that didn’t win.. he doesn’t know what success looks like and pretends he knows what success looks like.
 

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I guess it's a matter of whose perspective you're looking at. Do we think Berhalter coached Weah to clock the guy?
He’s been a shitty manager for far longer than that one decision.. and that’s not the only time a player has made a horrible decision under HIS watch.. he’s been horrible for years.
 

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I guess it's a matter of whose perspective you're looking at. Do we think Berhalter coached Weah to clock the guy?
It’s the trajectory this squad is on over the past year - needing PKs to get to the Gold Cup semis and then going out to Panama, a limp display against Germany that should have been a chance to take a run at a traditional power, another limp display against Slovenia (maybe more forgivable given Slovenia’s showing today), getting throttled by Colombia, and now not getting out of the group.

The home WC is too big a deal to see if Gregg can right the ship.
 

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I did about 60 seconds of Lalas and turned off the TV. Don’t know how you all can take any more of this tonight.
This is about the only time I’m agreeing with all of what he’s saying.
 

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He was an ok defender on teams that didn’t win.. he doesn’t know what success looks like and pretends he knows what success looks like.
Much as i dislike him... he was a key player on the most success Copa America squad the USMNT has ever had and arguably the most successful WC team the USMNT has ever had. He's an asshole and a talking head, but by US Soccer standards.... he's had a lot of success.
 

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It’s the trajectory this squad is on over the past year - needing PKs to get to the Gold Cup semis and then going out to Panama, a limp display against Germany that should have been a chance to take a run at a traditional power, another limp display against Slovenia (maybe more forgivable given Slovenia’s showing today), getting throttled by Colombia, and now not getting out of the group.

The home WC is too big a deal to see if Gregg can right the ship.
No other country brings back Gregg after the WC.. there was zero reason to bring him back.
 

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It’s the trajectory this squad is on over the past year - needing PKs to get to the Gold Cup semis and then going out to Panama, a limp display against Germany that should have been a chance to take a run at a traditional power, another limp display against Slovenia (maybe more forgivable given Slovenia’s showing today), getting throttled by Colombia, and now not getting out of the group.

The home WC is too big a deal to see if Gregg can right the ship.
I think this is one of the least talented teams I’ve seen the US field.. OR.. Gregg is a fucking horrific manager and doesn’t deserve another game.
 

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thought we might have some success after seeing Pulisic and others get behind their FBs in the first half, but then Uruguay stopped high-pressing so much and settled into a low-to-mid block, and all of a sudden it’s guys dribbling into 4 defenders head down with nobody offering support, possession after possession.
 

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Berhalter appears to not have had the dignity to resign so he's going to make them fire him
 

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What gets lost in all of this.. Uruguay’s goal was absolute horseshit
 

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Much as i dislike him... he was a key player on the most success Copa America squad the USMNT has ever had and arguably the most successful WC team the USMNT has ever had. He's an asshole and a talking head, but by US Soccer standards.... he's had a lot of success.
This is some 2002 World Cup erasure which I won’t stand for because that one’s the reason I am in the position today to be annoyed by this result.
 

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This is some 2002 World Cup erasure which I won’t stand for because that one’s the reason I am in the position today to be annoyed by this result.
2002 is the other one for the arguably. both round of 16 close losses to excellent teams.
 

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Here is our fearless leader distracting his team into shit set piece defense and giddily preparing to bunker for 30 minutes upon learning Bolivia had scored.

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It’s a shame he didn’t have enough time to bring in a bunch of defenders again. I can’t believe serious people thought we couldn’t do better than this clown.
 
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Yeah, Pulisic is a great talent, he's also an enormous whiny baby with no composure. Him getting into it with the ref, is just more of the same from him, he lacks maturity.
 

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It really is amazing how different USSF is than basically every federation.

Most of the world you suffer a humilating loss at home after months of mediocrity and the manager is fired and his boss resigns right after.

USSF will have 3 weeks of meetings and pay 350k to consultants before they make a decision, then if they fire Gregg they'll have another 6 weeks of meetings to try and find the new guy.
 

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I think this is one of the least talented teams I’ve seen the US field.. OR.. Gregg is a fucking horrific manager and doesn’t deserve another game.
This Copa was our last high quality, high intensity soccer before the WC. After this, the rest of the world turns its attention to qualifying while we schedule friendlies against Canada, Mexico, and the national that bomb out of their continental competitions early.

If Gregg stays, of course performances will improve. The US will be significantly more talented than almost all its opponents until 2026. But that will be fool’s gold.

For a new manager, it will be tricky coming in and reshaping things on the fly without any meaningful, high pressure matches for 2 years…and then jumping straight into the deep end. There’s going to be a segment of the fan base yelling, “we should be beat Turkmenistan by more than 3 goals!”
 

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Can't afford to go down a man less than 20 minutes in against your main competition for advancement. I'm not sure how you coach Weah to not do a galaxy-brain maneuver like that.
True but let’s not pretend that we were advancing if not for that.

This has been a crap tournament.
 

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True but let’s not pretend that we were advancing if not for that.

This has been a crap tournament.
If you hypothesize a draw with Panama instead of a loss, then yeah, we were advancing if not for that (though who knows what happens if Panama know they need another goal against Bolivia).
 

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Not in anyway gloating, but shocking to me Canada advanced and USA did not.
As noted above, fire Greg.

Now with that said, 3 games is a very small sample, and it's not like Canada's group was a murders row. They were able to find a way through while scoring 1 goal, which shows they had a solid plan and were able to execute it.
 

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It really is amazing how different USSF is than basically every federation.

Most of the world you suffer a humilating loss at home after months of mediocrity and the manager is fired and his boss resigns right after.

USSF will have 3 weeks of meetings and pay 350k to consultants before they make a decision, then if they fire Gregg they'll have another 6 weeks of meetings to try and find the new guy.
It’s easy to under why this bureaucracy loves Gregg, they all speak the same dumb MBA language.

If you hypothesize a draw with Panama instead of a loss, then yeah, we were advancing if not for that (though who knows what happens if Panama know they need another goal against Bolivia).
We have lost players to red cards in tournaments 4 times in the last year. Pulisic is lucky not to have taken another against Panama. That’s unacceptable. If the players aren’t mentally prepared to deal with the difficulties of a CONCACAF match, a lot of that falls on the manager.
 
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Italy in the Euros. The U.S. in the Copa.

It hasn't been a very fun couple of days for me as a soccer fan. (Oh and the Revs got obliterated by Columbus a few days ago as well...)
 

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I was glad to see the intensity last night, but the team lacked the ability to actually create anything close to goal scoring chances. That was a game that Uruguay likes to play and will win more often than not.

I’ve registered my complaints about GGG often enough. I do hope that they look to bring someone in who understands how chances are created in today’s game. Under Gregg, the US seemed to allow other teams to get chances too easily, whether through bad giveaways or momentarily losing focus. We never looked able to create much in the way of chances in transition, where most goal scoring chances come from, and were overly reliant on ineffective crosses (there are ways to effectively create chances with crosses, like Spain has been doing in the Euros, but the US hasn’t done that). One hallmark of the USMNT pre-GGG was goals from set pieces, and those really dried up. I do think that the US looked better on set pieces and corners lately, but for too long it’s felt like the coaching staff has been more concerned stroking the ego of our top player at the expense of better chance creation from set pieces. Not saying that CP demanded to take free kicks and corners, just that the coaching staff went to the high school coach mentality of “well, he’s our best player so we should let me do it.”

Goals come from transitions/turnovers and set pieces. The US has been poor at these on both sides of the ball for too long under Gregg. Time to move on.
 

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We have lost players to red cards in tournaments 4 times in the last year. Pulisic is lucky not to have taken another against Panama. That’s unacceptable. If the players aren’t mentally prepared to deal with the difficulties of a CONCACAF match, a lot of that falls on the manager.
That’s the alpha and omega for me and why I’m done with Greg. Whatever credit I gave him for getting this young team to play for each other and with a consistent (if limited) approach, it’s all done now.

They have regressed in discipline and quality, and if anything have gotten worse not better playing out of the back.

Don’t know the answer but it’s not Berhalter.
 

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Can’t you see them blaming this on the ref instead? Until they prove me wrong I assume the federation are a bunch of cowards and won’t do the right thing.
Fine, take away the goal for Uruguay. A 0-0 draw ain't doing it. Three goals in 3 games, 1 in the last 2, is the issue.

I don't absolve the players, but it seems they're not in the right places. And they wanted Berhalter back. They got him. And they disappointed.

I don't know the solution, but I'm pretty sure I know that Berhalter isn't it.
 

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If most "smart" folks think the way forward, even before this tournament, was not with Berhalter, then this, as ugly as it was, had to happen this way. Advancing, and losing 2-1 to Brazil in the quarters and Berhalter is cemented through the WC.

The calls are too loud now.
 

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Second cycle, offense seems about the same, defense worse, focus and discipline also worse.

Set pieces better, but also there’s a literal different guy responsible for those, we know his name and everything and can probably just keep him on staff if he still wants to be there.