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He is in a lower league, but Pefok is having a very good season at Young Boys. He leads the league with 15 goals over 23 games in league play, and he added two goals in UCL play (one being the winner against Man United).
That’s true. Pefok is having a great season and is merely dinged for being in a lower league and not quite fitting the profile of what Berhalter wants. I would not mind at all if he’s one of the two or three who get picked out of the striker lotto for the next window, but that seems not to be where Berhalter is at these days.
 

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That’s true. Pefok is having a great season and is merely dinged for being in a lower league and not quite fitting the profile of what Berhalter wants. I would not mind at all if he’s one of the two or three who get picked out of the striker lotto for the next window, but that seems not to be where Berhalter is at these days.
I have no doubt that David Wagner is providing plenty of insight and first hand info about Pefok.

Striker Is definitely the position that will require a “ride the hot hand” approach for the foreseeable future - until Pepi blows up and becomes an annual 20 goal scorer in the EPL. But for now, Gregg needs to parse the stats, scouting, camp performance, and behind the scenes intelligence. Which is pretty much what national team managers are paid to do.
 

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Right now the USMNT striker depth chart is 5 - 10 guys in lower tier Euro leagues, bad teams in top 5 leagues and MLS and none of them are doing all that well and your guess is as good as mine which might come good. Balogun slots into the lower end of that clump, and the more guys we have there the better odds that one of them breaks out before November to truly seize that 9 spot.
I would be surprised if Balogun is a factor for the World Cup, even if he does declare. He's not making too much noise right now and I imagine he'd have to really force Berhalter's hand with his performances to get into the picture so late. But on longer-term potential I have to think he is in the upper tier of those US striking prospects.
 

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I would be surprised if Balogun is a factor for the World Cup, even if he does declare. He's not making too much noise right now and I imagine he'd have to really force Berhalter's hand with his performances to get into the picture so late. But on longer-term potential I have to think he is in the upper tier of those US striking prospects.
Definitely, lack of familiarity puts him at the bottom of that pack for 2022 unless he just explodes in the end of this season/beginning of the next, but he's got an intriguing profile aiming for 2026
 

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I have no doubt that David Wagner is providing plenty of insight and first hand info about Pefok.

Striker Is definitely the position that will require a “ride the hot hand” approach for the foreseeable future - until Pepi blows up and becomes an annual 20 goal scorer in the EPL. But for now, Gregg needs to parse the stats, scouting, camp performance, and behind the scenes intelligence. Which is pretty much what national team managers are paid to do.
I agree with this, but I'm not 100% sure that's how Gregg views the world. I think back to two recent Scuffed podcasts (props to @InstaFace for getting me onboard over there), one with Eryk Williamson and one with John Muller, a soccer analytics writer for the Athletic. Williamson noted how difficult it is to learn Gregg's system. I'm not saying he was critical of Gregg, but he stated it took him three camps to get the basics down. This probably explains better than anything else why Gregg prefers familiarity over other factors. Pefok has minimal recent experience in Gregg's system, so I am not sure how much form really matters. In the Muller interview, both Muller and Belz claimed that Gregg has styled his system after Pep's. Not sure how much Pefok has a role in a positional play system like that. We can argue the merits of putting system over players, but at this point it doesn't much matter.

Not sure how Balogun fits, and reports are out that he is set to choose the US, but I imagine he's more in the 2026 cycle anyways. Another bullet in the chamber can't hurt but I don't see him playing a role till after WC2022. By then it hopefully won't matter as we should have a new manager by then.
 

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I agree with this, but I'm not 100% sure that's how Gregg views the world. I think back to two recent Scuffed podcasts (props to @InstaFace for getting me onboard over there), one with Eryk Williamson and one with John Muller, a soccer analytics writer for the Athletic. Williamson noted how difficult it is to learn Gregg's system. I'm not saying he was critical of Gregg, but he stated it took him three camps to get the basics down. This probably explains better than anything else why Gregg prefers familiarity over other factors. Pefok has minimal recent experience in Gregg's system, so I am not sure how much form really matters. In the Muller interview, both Muller and Belz claimed that Gregg has styled his system after Pep's. Not sure how much Pefok has a role in a positional play system like that. We can argue the merits of putting system over players, but at this point it doesn't much matter.

Not sure how Balogun fits, and reports are out that he is set to choose the US, but I imagine he's more in the 2026 cycle anyways. Another bullet in the chamber can't hurt but I don't see him playing a role till after WC2022. By then it hopefully won't matter as we should have a new manager by then.
Thanks. I’ll have to check it out.

Did Williamson discuss how his recovery is coming along? Pulling for the guy.

Gregg has come a long way - remember the Adams as inverted right back he started with? But I don’t think we’re going to see any more change out of him. Gregg has adapted and settled into his approach at this point.
 

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Yeah, I've gotten more and more into Scuffed over the last 6 months or so. The Discord is a really great community.
 

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Yeah, I've gotten more and more into Scuffed over the last 6 months or so. The Discord is a really great community.
I haven’t really gotten into the Discord yet, I only really listen to the podcasts which oscillate between “great” and “fantastic”. I think I might be scarred from spending 12 seconds looking at USMNT twitter banter.

I’ll probably have to dive based on the comments here though.

Thanks. I’ll have to check it out.

Did Williamson discuss how his recovery is coming along? Pulling for the guy.
Said he’s ahead of schedule and should be back soon
 

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Roster drops tonight at 6 with Gregg going on SportsCenter immediately afterwards.

Curious to see if Brooks gets a call. Also Gaga Slonina did not get called into the March U-20 camp so betting odds are for him to make this roster (with Turner and/or Steffen off due to injury).
 

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Well that’s a lot riding on “Antonee Robinson is unbreakable and can go 270”, especially if Dest can’t make it and another left back doesn’t get brought in.
 
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We’ll that’s a lot riding on “Antonee Robinson is unbreakable and can go 270”, especially if Dest can’t make it and another left back doesn’t get brought in.
I was a little surprised not to see someone like Bello for just that reason. Looks like Luca will be playing a major role this window as I doubt Gregg puts Busio into a cage match (maybe starts at Azteca????) and Roldan has been brought in mostly as a late sub on the wing.
 

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One day we'll find out what went down between Berhalter and Brooks. And it better be good, because calling in EPB, Long, and Sands over him is just ridiculous.
 

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Statement from Brooks:

“Months ago, I accepted responsibility for my play & the decision that kept me off a roster. Now, I’m happy I’ve regained my form but unfortunately, I wasn’t invited to camp. I accept this as the coach’s decision, but I won’t accept that I can’t change this before the final World Cup roster selections. There should be no questions about my desire to play for this team. My plan is to fight as hard as I can to make it back to the #USMNT. My American identity is at stake, an identity some have questioned over many years. We (Americans) have all been down & out at different times, but we always fight back & I plan to do the same.”
 

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Not to get political on this thread (which is the introduction to saying I’m about to get political…to some at least), not sure how many American Outlaw members we have in this thread. I absolutely love the email I just received from them regarding the Orlando game against Panama:

”We need to start off on a serious, yet supportive note:

The Parental Rights in Education bill – more commonly known as the “Don’t Say Gay” bill – recently passed by the Florida Senate is a direct contradiction of AO’s commitment to diversity and inclusion. There is a space for everyone on the pitch and in our sections regardless of sexual orientation, gender, race or any identifying characteristics, and our AO Family is always open and welcome to everyone who identifies as LGBTQIA+.

Following conversations with our in-stadium team for the March 27th U.S.-Panama World Cup qualifier in Orlando, we encourage everyone in our section and Exploria Stadium as a whole to show support for the LGBTQIA+ community everywhere. This could include, for example, wearing rainbow pride colors that show inclusion to the game, whether in the form of a kit, shirt (including our recent We The Change series), flags, or other accessories.

We love ya”.

With all the zaniness going on with Ultras and other groups, it’s nice to see something positive like this.

alright back to complaining about Yedlin over Scally and Bello.
 

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Not to get political on this thread (which is the introduction to saying I’m about to get political…to some at least), not sure how many American Outlaw members we have in this thread. I absolutely love the email I just received from them regarding the Orlando game against Panama:

”We need to start off on a serious, yet supportive note:

The Parental Rights in Education bill – more commonly known as the “Don’t Say Gay” bill – recently passed by the Florida Senate is a direct contradiction of AO’s commitment to diversity and inclusion. There is a space for everyone on the pitch and in our sections regardless of sexual orientation, gender, race or any identifying characteristics, and our AO Family is always open and welcome to everyone who identifies as LGBTQIA+.

Following conversations with our in-stadium team for the March 27th U.S.-Panama World Cup qualifier in Orlando, we encourage everyone in our section and Exploria Stadium as a whole to show support for the LGBTQIA+ community everywhere. This could include, for example, wearing rainbow pride colors that show inclusion to the game, whether in the form of a kit, shirt (including our recent We The Change series), flags, or other accessories.

We love ya”.

With all the zaniness going on with Ultras and other groups, it’s nice to see something positive like this.

alright back to complaining about Yedlin over Scally and Bello.
This is good. I have a lot to say about this law, but am happy to see the Outlaws raising their voice.

Slonina is in the health & safety protocol, which explains why he’s not on either senior or U20 roster. The ankle roll last weekend looked pretty bad, too, so some extra time to let that heal up is helpful.

The attack looks exciting. The defensive line looks…tenuous. Robinson is going to have to play like he did in the Gold Cup to anchor this crew.

I would have preferred Pomykal and his all around midfield abilities over Ferreira.
 

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Happy to see Pefok back on the roster. He doesn't fit what Gregg wants to do, but he's a different type of striker and has been playing great this season for Young Boys.
 

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That's fine by me. It's weird to me that Scally has barely been brought into the group at all, but given that this is the reality now seems like not the time when the other guy who is also doing solidly in the Bundesliga now has more meaningful USMNT minutes.

Hopefully Robinson championship fitnesses his way into just playing almost all of the minutes, but glad to see this backup LB roster hole actually filled with someone who plays the position as his primary position and not "uh, Kellyn I guess?" which was my worry.
 

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That's fine by me. It's weird to me that Scally has barely been brought into the group at all, but given that this is the reality now seems like not the time when the other guy who is also doing solidly in the Bundesliga now has more meaningful USMNT minutes.

Hopefully Robinson championship fitnesses his way into just playing almost all of the minutes, but glad to see this backup LB roster hole actually filled with someone who plays the position as his primary position and not "uh, Kellyn I guess?" which was my worry.
Hopefully we're in before game 3 and we don't need to worry about who is behind Jedi or anything... but this helps for sure.
 

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Great, Aaronson with a knee knock and dropped from Salzburg starting 11 today.


Edit: and the update isn’t great. early reports say he’ll miss the window.
 
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What an awful time for injuries to key players to crop up. My enthusiasm for watching the Mexico game live is dwindling; seems like the kind of game I'll check on after it concludes and hope for the best.
 

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On the positive side, Gio went the full 90 for Dortmund playing centrally in a 4-2-3-1. He was quite nifty in tight spaces and at one point nearly had his shorts ripped off (not a euphemism for anything). Perhaps time to use him as one of the dual 8s?
 

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I had a dream last night that we get smoked tomorrow.

Also, I have a job interview Friday at 11 and this match starts at 10pm wtf nonsense is this?
 

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I had a dream last night that we get smoked tomorrow.

Also, I have a job interview Friday at 11 and this match starts at 10pm wtf nonsense is this?
It is going to be a tough game. But I can live with them getting beat so long as Canada does its job.
 

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I had a dream last night that we get smoked tomorrow.

Also, I have a job interview Friday at 11 and this match starts at 10pm wtf nonsense is this?
Game over at midnight, sleep til 9:30, nail interview at 11. You got this.
 

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I see an ugly result tomorrow night to the tune of 3-0 Mex. Usual handwringing afterwards, fire Greg, we are going to miss the WC, on and on. I think we will rebound on Sunday night as the US seems to play better when they are doubted and their backs are up against the wall.

Can someone list what we are rooting for outside of our game tomorrow night?
 

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Can someone list what we are rooting for outside of our game tomorrow night?
What we want to happen

The 3-0 win over Honduras on Feb. 2 put the United States firmly in control of its own destiny, but with all three remaining matches against qualification rivals -- including away fixtures to two of the strongest CONCACAF nations, Mexico and Costa Rica -- it cannot start planning for Qatar yet.

If USMNT fails to win in Mexico, it will really open up the group. Panama plays a Honduras team that hasn't won any of its 11 matches, so victory for Panama would place it only one or two points behind the U.S. (Costa Rica would move close, too, if it beats Canada.) United States and Panama then would meet at the Exploria Stadium in Orlando on March 27; defeat for USMNT could leave it facing, at best, the intercontinental playoff.

However, the United States can allay most fears with victory at Mexico -- that would leave coach Gregg Berhalter needing at most two points from the remaining two matches.
March 24
Costa Rica vs. Canada
Panama vs. Honduras
Jamaica vs. El Salvador
Mexico vs. United States

March 27
Canada vs. Jamaica
Honduras vs. Mexico
El Salvador vs. Costa Rica
United States vs. Panama

March 30
Panama vs. Canada
Jamaica vs. Honduras
Mexico vs. El Salvador
Costa Rica vs. United States

TABLE:

Canada 25 pts +14
USMNT 21 pts +9
Mexico 21 pts +6
Panama 17 pts +1
Costa Rica 16 pts +1
El Salvador: 9 pts -7
Jamaica: 7 pts -7
Honduras 3 pts -17
 

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It's all about Panama and Costa Rica - we want them to drop points.
given that, plus the card situation, travel and playing two big games following, has there been any whispers about running a defensive B team out there tomorrow and hope for 0-0 draw or a nick a goal on the counter?
 

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There are a lot of people calling for a B or B-ish team tomorrow for exactly that reason, but nobody really knows what Gregg will do. I think a total B team will definitely lose, but the right mix of first team and bench guys combined with maybe some early-ish subs could keep the top guys fresh and still be competitive. It hurts to not go all out against Mexico, but the significance of the last two games combined with the impact of recovery after playing at altitude seems to demand that it not be the A squad.
 

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Yeah it sucks to even be having the thought as I’m sure everybody is wanting this game. To your point of a blended team, personally I think that’s the worst approach. Either play your best start XI or look towards the next two games.
 

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He's got a flair for the dramatic:

"I heard that argument that we should play a B-team [against Mexico] and I took it to the staff and we debated it. We looked at all sides of it... does this have merit? I think it was an important exercise.. We came out with our answer and you'll see tomorrow"
 

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I really think no game is bigger for the US than the Costa Rica Canada game. If Canada can take a point, then a win by the U.S. to Panama and everything is done.

So often in the final round of qualification, the last places often come down to which team is able to get points from the top team or two teams in the group. Although the final round has expanded by four games and two teams it's interesting that it all seems to be coming down to that again.

Nobody has taken full points off of Canada. U.S. and Mexico are out of chances to do so. But Costa Rica still has a chance to do so. If they do it could turn out to be the most significant result in the entire final round and have a very large say in who goes through and who has to play the playoff.
 

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There are a lot of people calling for a B or B-ish team tomorrow for exactly that reason, but nobody really knows what Gregg will do. I think a total B team will definitely lose, but the right mix of first team and bench guys combined with maybe some early-ish subs could keep the top guys fresh and still be competitive. It hurts to not go all out against Mexico, but the significance of the last two games combined with the impact of recovery after playing at altitude seems to demand that it not be the A squad.
I know that playing at altitude is more taxing in terms of oxygen intake, but does that really affect your ability to play a game three days later (not at altitude)?

While the answer to that could plausibly change my mind, I would otherwise lean toward just playing the best XI against Mexico. I know that is a difficult place to get a result, but we've done it before and right now we probably have more talent. Getting an away result would be a massive boost and isn't mission impossible. Enough things can go wrong in a game of football that I think you need to give yourself as many chances as possible to amass points rather than effectively punt one of the matches.
 

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I know the popular opinion is to sit Adams and save him for the Panama game because he’s sitting on a yellow, but I’m personally against that. If Gregg does that and Adams picks up a yellow, the result is that he only plays one game in the most important three game window. So for me you start him in Azteca. If he gets a yellow, so be it, his absence should not be a deciding factor against Panama as that game will come down to the US creating and finishing chances. In the age of Covid and with players getting so worn down that injuries are so common, just play the best fit players you have available. They might not be available tomorrow even if rested.
 

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Perhaps of interest only to me, but I’ve been listening to a lot of podcasts/YouTube interviews with fans of El Tri. What I found interesting was their complaints about Tata. Main gripes were a lack of a team identity going forward, one player (Chicharito) being exiled, and his reliance on “Tata’s” guys while omitting other fan favorites. It all sounded pretty familiar.

Besides similar coaching complaints, they also kind of noted that this game tonight matters more because of the rivalry than because of its impact on qualification. They have the same amount of points (trailing the US on goal difference) and need four to go through to WC22. Either team can lose tonight and still have their destiny in their own hands. They’re divided on how to approach the game tonight as they too will be off to another game after this one at altitude. Mexico has an easier path, but both teams have one at home and one on the road after tonight.

Anyways, the only noticeable difference was that Mexican fans are super confident in the idea that they will qualify.
 

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After the last cycle of getting punked with our backs against the wall, I'm against any strategy that purposely increases the odds of putting our backs against the wall. Especially with the heart of the team already out, and the most confident/gifted player also out.
 

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Yeah, the B team shouldn't start--there are too few games left to not give yourself a chance. However, if at any point you find yourself down multiple goals, guys need to come off. Don't assume a cause is lost before it is, but don't chase an actual lost cause either.