That would be the defending champs mailing in their season.RedOctober3829 said:Mort says Lynch isn't coming back to Seattle but probably won't be traded. Man, I'd love for Bill to step up and offer something for Lynch and see if they could pry him out.
No way Seattle trades Lynch. He is what their offense is built around.RedOctober3829 said:Mort says Lynch isn't coming back to Seattle but probably won't be traded. Man, I'd love for Bill to step up and offer something for Lynch and see if they could pry him out.
lambeau said:Doug Martin only makes $1 M this year, $1.3 M 2015, then year five option.
What are multiple high round picks?Reardons Beard said:
So if BB thinks he's as good as he was a couple years back, do you package multiple high round picks?
Silverdude2167 said:What are multiple high round picks?
Ken Vetrano @KenVetrano 32s33 seconds ago
Zac Stacy is a possible name to monitor heading into Tuesday's deadline regarding Patriots
Reardons Beard said:
So if BB thinks he's as good as he was a couple years back, do you package multiple high round picks?
soxfan121 said:
It isn't 1984. There isn't a RB in the league worth a second round pick in trade, let alone multiple "high round" picks. The burnout rate at the position is excessive and the replacement cost (Gray) so low.
Isn't Martin exactly what you hope Gray becomes?Phragle said:
Le'Veon Bell/Gio Bernard?
I never wanted to give up a lot for a RB, but with the way Gray just played I don't know if I want to give anything for a RB. It's too bad they don't have another week to see how he looks.
FL4WL3SS said:Isn't Martin exactly what you hope Gray becomes?
DrewDawg said:One good season followed by 2 years of injuries and 3.4 ypc?
Phragle said:
Le'Veon Bell/Gio Bernard?
I never wanted to give up a lot for a RB, but with the way Gray just played I don't know if I want to give anything for a RB. It's too bad they don't have another week to see how he looks.
To pick up on a minor point: dead money would actually be good from the Pats' perspective, because the Jags would still be on the hook for any signing bonus money while the Pats would pick up just the salaries and roster bonuses. With Doug Martin, for instance, Tampa would still be on the hook for the $844,096 in bonus next year (and this year), while the Pats would only be responsible for his 2015 base salary of $1,315,572 and the pro-rated portion of his 2014 base salary of $1,007,048.dynomite said:Kick the tires on Tony Gerhart? Probably a pipe dream, but he's the kind of guy who might have been able to punch into the end zone on the Bears goal line stand?
Haven't seen any of him this year, but he's a big back in the Law Firm/Blount vein (6'0", 230), was pretty decent until he tried to run behind the Jaguars o-line. Signed to much fanfare, but he's the 3rd stringer on that team now.
The issue is his contract, which looks like a deal breaker. Am I correct that his contract is $3M in '15 and $3.5M in '16? (Though only $500K in dead money in '15 and none in '16?)
Edit: To be clear, it's a log shot and pretty early for the Jags to cut bait. But I always liked Gerhart's size and pedigree in a Harbaugh system.
Because they're in Matt Williams' doghouse. Wait, wrong thread.E5 Yaz said:I'm confused: Why again are the Chiefs trading Charles or the Bears trading Forte?
Awesome. And the Steelers, not out of the playoff hunt by any stretch, will deal Blount just because ...Yaz4Ever said:Because they're in Matt Williams' doghouse. Wait, wrong thread.
Mugsy's Walk-Off Bunt said:I have less than no interest in "Tony" Gerhart and that's coming from a guy who positively LOVES the name Toby.
soxfan121 said:
Pretty much every running back is replaceable though; the same isn't true about quarterbacks.PedroKsBambino said:
Production is not linear; under your rationale the Pats are also nuts to pay Brady what they do.
Premium players are worth premium contracts because as you get very far away from average production it gets very difficult to find people who can perform at that level with any consistency.
Deathofthebambino said:That turf that they played on in Minnesota also makes slow guys faster. Not so in Jacksonville or New England, and Gerhart is a slow guy.
I see a lot of the Raiders here in the Bay Area and would disagree with the assessment that McFadden is a tough runner who would be good in goal-line situations. I see him as a very upright runner (he is tall so can't hold it too much against him) who has lost some explosiveness through injury. I think when healthy (rarely) McFadden has been a similar player to someone like DeMarco Murray (a poor man's version).Dan to Theo to Ben said:Crossposting from Trade Deadline thread. A binky of mine a few years back in college was Darren McFadden, somewhat of a fumbling history, (1st one this year though was last week), North-South SEC west runner like Ridley, better receiver and even better passer, heh heh, than Ridley. He's signed through this year only, for $4 mil, so we'd be on hook for about 2.
On the Raiders, so they're not going anywhere. Tough runner, would like him for goalline carries. Should be good partner with Vereen.
McFadden is pretty terrible. He doesn't play to his size, he's not a good blocker, he has poor vision / instincts, and his Lisfranc injury seems to have robbed him of the breakaway speed he used to have - his long run on the season is 17 yards. $2 MM ain't chump change, either (though OverTheCap has him at just $1.6 MM for 2014). I'm doubt he's an upgrade on Gray. I'd also prefer a guy extended beyond this year, since Ridley / Vereen / Bolden are all FAs.Dan to Theo to Ben said:Crossposting from Trade Deadline thread. A binky of mine a few years back in college was Darren McFadden, somewhat of a fumbling history, (1st one this year though was last week), North-South SEC west runner like Ridley, better receiver and even better passer, heh heh, than Ridley. He's signed through this year only, for $4 mil, so we'd be on hook for about 2.
On the Raiders, so they're not going anywhere. Tough runner, would like him for goalline carries. Should be good partner with Vereen.
Carried the Rams with a 3.9 ypc and to a 7-9 record?SeoulSoxFan said:I'll be all over Stacy -- pretty much carried the Rams last year and is only in his 2nd year.
Id bet all the money on Blount beating Ridley in a foot race in pads with both guys healthyDeathofthebambino said:First of all, when were those 40 times? At their NFL combines or something? Gerhart has been in the league for 5 years now, and there is no way that Blount is beating Ridley in a foot race at this point. I've been saying all year that Vereen looks like he's lost about 3 steps from the guy he was just last year, never mind the guy who returned kicks at Cal when he was in college, so I'm not sure what you're trying to tell me with those comparables. They are all slow, IMO. The YPC numbers have a ton of noise in them and don't tell us anything about Gerhart as a runner right now. Those numbers are cumulative over a 5 year period. Since the beginning of last season, the guy has had a total of 88 carries in his teams 25 games or so. One 60+ yard run or two will inflate the numbers a lot when you're talking about so few carries. I'm just saying is that he's not the same guy he was when he was playing in Minnesota. Whether or not he was actually faster on the turf, I have no idea, but I know he looked faster. Now, he doesn't just look slow. He is slow. He had a couple good seasons (games really) coming in as the change of pace guy when AP needed a breather on an offense set up entirely around the running game. I don't think we ever see that kind of production out of him anywhere, and I was a fan of his coming out of college. He just doesn't have it anymore.
More importantly, I don't think the Patriots need a guy like Gerhart. I'm not sure what he does any better than Vereen or Bolden at this point, and I certainly wouldn't give up anything for him. If he got cut or if Jacksonville wants to give him away for a 7th rounder or something, then sure, bring him in if you're looking for a warm body, but the guy can't get any run right now for one of the worst rushing teams in the NFL, if not the worst. I don't really need to see much more than that to know that anything more than free for the taking is more than I'd be willing to give up for him.
swingin val said:Carried the Rams with a 3.9 ypc and to a 7-9 record?