FL4WL3SS said:
Edmonton.
And yes, Ference would be a good fit for what they need. But at that cap hit, no thanks.
Trade Deadline 2014
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Edmonton.
And yes, Ference would be a good fit for what they need. But at that cap hit, no thanks.
I read something yesterday about the Bruins having interest in Andrej Meszaros. The Flyers would certainly listen, but honestly he seems like the last guy you'd want if you're looking to replace Seidenberg. He's healthy and playing pretty well, as good as he has in a couple years, but he's not good defensively at all.
If you care about advanced stats, and you probably should if you're posting here, McDonald is terrible (like, near the worst in the NHL at puck possession terrible):
http://www.jewelsfromthecrown.com/2014/2/26/5448778/nhl-trade-rumors-la-kings-islanders-andrew-macdonald
Ference was also the Bruins' worst possession player in the playoffs last year, if I remember correctly.
Seidenberg wasn't actually that great either before he went down:
http://www.jewelsfromthecrown.com/2014/2/26/5448778/nhl-trade-rumors-la-kings-islanders-andrew-macdonald
Ference was also the Bruins' worst possession player in the playoffs last year, if I remember correctly.
Seidenberg wasn't actually that great either before he went down:
McKenzie reporting today that Buffalo has put Myers and Ehrhoff on the trade block. Ehrhoff has submitted a list of 8-teams he won't go to. I'm not sure he ends up moving though, the recapture penalty if he retires early will make moving him difficult.
By that time, the recapture penalty would not have a big enough cap effect to make a significant dent in a ~$80m salary cap.
If Ehrhoff were to retire in the summer of 2018 [age 36], negating his last two years, there would be a $3.33m cap hit on the Sabres' books for the following three seasons:
If he were retire in 2017, it would the same but for four years with a $2.5m cap hit.
All that being said, he isn't enough of a physical presence in his own end to warrant moving for him IMO. I recall him shying away from contact to the point of taking himself out of the play in the Cup Finals.
If Ehrhoff were to retire in the summer of 2018 [age 36], negating his last two years, there would be a $3.33m cap hit on the Sabres' books for the following three seasons:
If he were retire in 2017, it would the same but for four years with a $2.5m cap hit.
All that being said, he isn't enough of a physical presence in his own end to warrant moving for him IMO. I recall him shying away from contact to the point of taking himself out of the play in the Cup Finals.
Ditto. I looked at him yesterday and then threw up in my mouth when I saw how long his contract was.The Four Peters said:
A subsidized Erhoff would be very interesting, moreso to me than Macdonald or Meszaros. What about a retained salary transaction? I'm not up on that part of the cap rules, but we've seen that happen a few times. With these bad contracts, I wonder if teams are willing to eat some dollars for a better return.
I don't think Ehrhoff's contract is all that bad. $4 million cap hit through his age 38 season. Essentially the same thing as Seidenberg.
I'm not sure you would get Buffalo to each any salary in a trade. The deal was so front loaded that Buffalo has already paid more than have the total money owed on the contract. It was a 10/$40 mm deal, and they paid Ehrhoff $18mm of the total $40mm in the first 2 seasons. Plus more than half the $4 million he gets this season.
I'm not sure you would get Buffalo to each any salary in a trade. The deal was so front loaded that Buffalo has already paid more than have the total money owed on the contract. It was a 10/$40 mm deal, and they paid Ehrhoff $18mm of the total $40mm in the first 2 seasons. Plus more than half the $4 million he gets this season.
Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger 2m
Expect Chris Philips contract talks to continue today. Trade still an option with Bruins believed to be among teams with interest.
Expect Chris Philips contract talks to continue today. Trade still an option with Bruins believed to be among teams with interest.
Deadline Cap space(according to capgeek):
Atlantic: BOS(4.08M), MON(7.7M), TAM(2.9M)
Metropolitan: PIT(1.1M), NYR(7.4M), PHI(2.9M)
Wild Card: TOR(2.5M), DET(1.5M), WAS(.8M, 3 back), CLB(2.1M, 5 back), NJD(7.6M, 5 back), OTT(39.8M, 5 back)
Central: STL(1.7M), CHI(.8M), COL(59M)
Pacific: ANA(), SJ(1.6M), LA(3.2M)
Wild Card: MIN(4.3M), DAL(13.2M), PHO(13.4M, 1 back), VAN(3.2M, 1 back), WIN(5.0M, 2 back), NAS(20.5M, 4 back)
Out: CAL(51.9M), EDM(69M), NYI(59M), FLA(69M), BUF(37M), CAR(6M),
Of the legit contenders, only MON, NYR, NJD, COL, DAL, PHO, and NAS can really add salary. COL is the only team that is solidly IN the playoff hunt and has significant space. For everyone else, there needs to be a lot of salary consideration, and the retained value trades help with that, but the cap going down and pinching so many teams won't let trades be easy. The other problem is that there are really only 6 teams that are absolutely going to be SELLERS. I can see NJD, OTT, CLB, WIn, and NAS deciding to sell given the prices that people can command, but that means that there are between 2 and 4 times more buyers than sellers, and that's going to drive the price UP for players. Given these facts, I don't see very many major trades happening compared to last year or any other recent year. I also don't think the Bruins should give up what its going to cost to get a Seidenberg-level guy back.
Atlantic: BOS(4.08M), MON(7.7M), TAM(2.9M)
Metropolitan: PIT(1.1M), NYR(7.4M), PHI(2.9M)
Wild Card: TOR(2.5M), DET(1.5M), WAS(.8M, 3 back), CLB(2.1M, 5 back), NJD(7.6M, 5 back), OTT(39.8M, 5 back)
Central: STL(1.7M), CHI(.8M), COL(59M)
Pacific: ANA(), SJ(1.6M), LA(3.2M)
Wild Card: MIN(4.3M), DAL(13.2M), PHO(13.4M, 1 back), VAN(3.2M, 1 back), WIN(5.0M, 2 back), NAS(20.5M, 4 back)
Out: CAL(51.9M), EDM(69M), NYI(59M), FLA(69M), BUF(37M), CAR(6M),
Of the legit contenders, only MON, NYR, NJD, COL, DAL, PHO, and NAS can really add salary. COL is the only team that is solidly IN the playoff hunt and has significant space. For everyone else, there needs to be a lot of salary consideration, and the retained value trades help with that, but the cap going down and pinching so many teams won't let trades be easy. The other problem is that there are really only 6 teams that are absolutely going to be SELLERS. I can see NJD, OTT, CLB, WIn, and NAS deciding to sell given the prices that people can command, but that means that there are between 2 and 4 times more buyers than sellers, and that's going to drive the price UP for players. Given these facts, I don't see very many major trades happening compared to last year or any other recent year. I also don't think the Bruins should give up what its going to cost to get a Seidenberg-level guy back.
On the Erhoff thing, it's not the real money I'm interested in but possibility of the cap hit reduction. Particularly with Buffalo operating with a real budget and not necessarily at cap, they may be willing to retain some amount of dollars if it significantly increases the return (translating to better production from guys on ELCs). Again, I'm no expert on this issue, but Toronto is carrying part of Frattin's cap hit and a very small bit of Scriven's. Anyway, that kinda thing could make some of these long term contracts more tolerable whether it's Erhoff or Edler or Myers.
Titoschew said:
To follow up on this, I just got an alert on my phone from ESPN's ScoreCenter app that said "Bruins engaged in trade talks with Senators for D Chris Phillips - league source"
Sounds like he's the guy they want.
He should come cheap enough - I wouldn't expect more than a mid-level prospect and maybe a late draft pick.
FL4WL3SS said:
As one twitter guy said, they've been asking about him for five years. It's no surprise they're asking about him now when they need someone with his skill set.
I'm hopeful they can keep it to a Camara-level prospect and a 1st rounder, but wouldn't be surprised if this is where they move Khokhlachev
I'm fine with using Spooner as trade bait, but moving him and a draft pick for a 35 year old UFA-to-be Chris Phillips is absurd. I'm not sure I'd even give up a first for Phillips, to be honest.
There's absolutely no way they give up a top prospect and/or a 1st rounder for Phillips. He's a 35 year old defenseman as a rental.
I'm thinking more along the lines of the Recchi deal.
I'm thinking more along the lines of the Recchi deal.
Corsi said:
And this is why getting NHL insight from ESPN.com is worthless.
Chris Phillips will require a mid-level prospect at best. I think even Koko may be too much for Phillips - considering he's a pure rental, and he also has a (limited) NTC.
I'd imagine a late 2nd and someone like Jared Knight.
TheShynessClinic said:
Spooner or Koko would be ridiculous. While I think Koko has real potential to be traded, he's sitting at 14g, 22a in 45 games played so far in his first full year in Providence. Let's not go trading that type of talent for a 35 year old rental.
Not sure what it will take to get him, but if it's a "top tier prospect" I'd prefer they move on. Just add a depth guy like Stuart in case something happens to the current top-6 and that's it. No sense trading assets like Koko for a rental like Phillips.
Take Girardi off the market.
@JSportsnet: Hearing that NYR and Dan Girardi are very close to that new deal...perhaps announced later today.
@JSportsnet: Hearing that NYR and Dan Girardi are very close to that new deal...perhaps announced later today.
TheRealness said:
Yeah any talk of 1st/top prospect sounds nuts. Absolutely no need to pay goal-scoring winger/puck-moving D prices for an okay stay at home D. Just not seeing the value there, especially when you think about how good Chia has been at finding quality defenseman and paying practically nothing for them.
Koko's someone I'd think about moving in the offseason, but that also depends on info I'm not privy to such as how antsy he is in Providence. If not for the Feaster Farce he'd have a much easier road to the NHL/would already be there. Luckily he's playing well and still has a lot of value so it remains in the "good problem to have" category.
I trust Chia on this one - he's shown to have good discipline during deadlines. He's made enough good deadline deals where I'll give him the benefit on the doubt on this one.
FL4WL3SS said:
I feel like we (RMPS we) have these same emotional swings every year. Rumors come out, we all freak out and worry that he's going to overpay, and then he makes perfectly reasonable deals in the end. The only deal that could really be considered a bust in any sense (and even then I don't consider it that) was Kaberle, and that was the one EVERYONE was seemingly clamoring for.
I definitely won't freak out about ESPN rumor mongering. ESPN sucks.
FWIW, Chiarelli's deadline history with the Bruins.
2007: B's out of contention. 2 separate deals....Boyes for Wideman and Paul Mara for Aaron Ward.
2008: B's hanging around the 8th seed. No trades, though they flirted with Marian Hossa.
2009: B's running away with East. 2 moves. Petteri Nokelainen for Steve Montador; Karsums and Lashoff for Recchi and a 2.
2010: B's can't score goals, sitting in the lower end of playoff contention. 2 deals...Derek Morris to Phoenix for a draft pick and then the Seidenberg deal (Byron Bitz, Weller, 2nd for Seidenberg and Bartkowski). Kind of a weird deadline at the time, but it obviously worked out quite well.
2011: B's in contention: Chia's most aggressive deadline. We know the deals. Kelly for a 2nd; Colborne, 1st and conditional 2nd for Kaberle; Wheeler and Stuart for Peverley and Valabik.
2012: B's in contention: Steve Kampfer and scraps out, Greg Zanon, Mike Mottau, Brian Rolston in.
2013: B's in contention: MacDermid, Payne and a pick for Jagr, then a depth move for Wade Redden. Had Koko/Bart/1 for Iginla done in place of the Jagr deal.
So he's usually pretty conservative. Nothing new. The Kaberle and failed Iginla deal from a year ago were probably the 2 best packages he's put together. He'll shop around for depth, and won't move a valuable piece (Spooner, Subban, Koko, 1st, etc.) unless he's getting a significant piece back.
2007: B's out of contention. 2 separate deals....Boyes for Wideman and Paul Mara for Aaron Ward.
2008: B's hanging around the 8th seed. No trades, though they flirted with Marian Hossa.
2009: B's running away with East. 2 moves. Petteri Nokelainen for Steve Montador; Karsums and Lashoff for Recchi and a 2.
2010: B's can't score goals, sitting in the lower end of playoff contention. 2 deals...Derek Morris to Phoenix for a draft pick and then the Seidenberg deal (Byron Bitz, Weller, 2nd for Seidenberg and Bartkowski). Kind of a weird deadline at the time, but it obviously worked out quite well.
2011: B's in contention: Chia's most aggressive deadline. We know the deals. Kelly for a 2nd; Colborne, 1st and conditional 2nd for Kaberle; Wheeler and Stuart for Peverley and Valabik.
2012: B's in contention: Steve Kampfer and scraps out, Greg Zanon, Mike Mottau, Brian Rolston in.
2013: B's in contention: MacDermid, Payne and a pick for Jagr, then a depth move for Wade Redden. Had Koko/Bart/1 for Iginla done in place of the Jagr deal.
So he's usually pretty conservative. Nothing new. The Kaberle and failed Iginla deal from a year ago were probably the 2 best packages he's put together. He'll shop around for depth, and won't move a valuable piece (Spooner, Subban, Koko, 1st, etc.) unless he's getting a significant piece back.
Great info cshea. You can also add the Kelly deal to 2011 (for a 2nd rounder I believe).
Looking back on it, it seems like going for it is not the norm, but it's also telling/interesting that the 2 years he was willing to give up the biggest packages, they went to the Cup finals. The real question is if the deals were the cause or the effect in that relationship.
Looking back on it, it seems like going for it is not the norm, but it's also telling/interesting that the 2 years he was willing to give up the biggest packages, they went to the Cup finals. The real question is if the deals were the cause or the effect in that relationship.
Most people would say the biggest bust was the Kaberle trade, but if I recall he led the team in assists in the playoffs.
If I was going to pick the worst trade I actually would go with the other deal he made that day. Wheeler and Stuart for Peverley and Valabik. Wheeler has turned into a far better player than Peverley IMHO.
If I was going to pick the worst trade I actually would go with the other deal he made that day. Wheeler and Stuart for Peverley and Valabik. Wheeler has turned into a far better player than Peverley IMHO.
Benefit of the doubt... Just from the trade history, along with glimpses seen in Behind The B, etc, Chiarelli is excellent at reading the team he is putting on the ice and determining if he should GFIN. The rest of the trades all strike as "build depth for the future" type moves.The Four Peters said:
As far as Phillips for either of Spooner or Koko, I immediately thought of the Seidenberg (and Bartkowski?!) trade for Byron freakin' Bitz etc. There is a less than zero chance that Chia gives up any top prospects or high picks for a filler defenseman. The Sens can hope but if it happens it'll be filler for filler.
Well of course Wheeler is a better player. Peverley was a little better fit and without the Peverley deal, they don't get Kaberle. And Rich Peverley was damn good in the playoffs for the Bruins, they don't win a Cup without him.BoSoxFink said:
oh for sure, I'm not complaining about the deal because they won, just saying that may have been the worst he's made, but he had to move salary in order to get Kaberlecshea said:
It's a blockbuster! Sounds like the Blues would only be giving up Stewart and a first rounder for Ott and Miller? That's a hell of a trade if so.
I just learned that Chris Stewart spent the '12-'13 lockout in the 2nd division of DEL along with a few games in the Czech league.
If nothing else, that's in line with the effort (or lack thereof) he brings night-in, night-out. Has all the tools to be a Lucic-level player, but I'm not surprised St. Louis would look to move him while making a Cup run.
If nothing else, that's in line with the effort (or lack thereof) he brings night-in, night-out. Has all the tools to be a Lucic-level player, but I'm not surprised St. Louis would look to move him while making a Cup run.
Lavoie is saying it's Halak for Miller which makes no sense for Buffalo. We'll have to see where the other chips fall.
Stephen Whyno @SWhyno 54s
#Sabres trade Miller, Ott to #StlBlues for Stewart, Halak, Carrier and two draft picks.
Stephen Whyno @SWhyno 32s
#Sabres get a 1st rounder in 2015 and a 3rd rounder in 2016 as part of Miller/Ott deal with #stlblues
Solid haul for the Sabres. I would imagine they'll look to flip Halak in the next few days as well...
#Sabres trade Miller, Ott to #StlBlues for Stewart, Halak, Carrier and two draft picks.
Stephen Whyno @SWhyno 32s
#Sabres get a 1st rounder in 2015 and a 3rd rounder in 2016 as part of Miller/Ott deal with #stlblues
Solid haul for the Sabres. I would imagine they'll look to flip Halak in the next few days as well...
The Blues can now form one of the greatest pest lines in hockey history. Ott - Sobotka - Lapierre.
Christ.
Christ.
Stephen Whyno @SWhyno 49s
Reports out there - namely @TSNBobMcKenzie - that #Sens might be involved in this. Would make sense with Murray seeking depth F (Stewart?)
Reports out there - namely @TSNBobMcKenzie - that #Sens might be involved in this. Would make sense with Murray seeking depth F (Stewart?)