tOSU-Michigan Game Thread

dhappy42

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I'm not an Ohio State fan. Far from it. Hated them since they beat Miami in the BCS Championship Game awhile back. Also spent the last two years in AA cheering for Michigan, in fact. You're just projecting your insecurity and faulty logic on me not liking Michigan.
What insecurity? What faulty logic?

I have no insecurities whatsoever vis-a-vis Ohio. How's that even possible considering, well, Ohio. I'm not even from Michigan. I'm a snobby New Englander from Massachusetts. This Michigan v. Ohio rivalry cracks me up.
 

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What insecurity? What faulty logic?

I have no insecurities whatsoever vis-a-vis Ohio. How's that even possible considering, well, Ohio. I'm not even from Michigan. I'm a snobby New Englander from Massachusetts. This Michigan v. Ohio rivalry cracks me up.
I had a friend once, where I couldn't tell if they were laughing or crying sometimes. Usually it's a bit easier to tell with written words, but I guess I mistook the two again.
 

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Ah more whining but with a new flavor.

UM wishes that it could contribute half as much to the state of Michigan in terms of medical advancement, agricultural support, tech, engineering, research.....I could literally go on and on.......as tOSU does to Ohio. UM is a great place for out of state kids who can't cut it in the premium East Coast schools to have their parents talk about at cocktail parties, but from a "support the state" mandate, there are few institutions in the US who do it as well as tOSU. Sit down chuckles.
Should I feel inadequate b/o UM's national reputation? Do you think about this shit before you write?

Besides, MI has MSU to teach the kids who didn't get into UM how to milk cows and put shit into cardboard boxes at the tool and die shop.
 
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There were lots of calls that were worse than the spotting of the ball and by and large, they did help OSU in a very tight game. In other words, UM had chances to win, but you can simultaneously believe that the officiating hurt their chances in a 50/50 game. People in here are posting like they've never encountered this common sports occurrence before. Anyone watching could see the awful and more importantly inconsistent calls throughout.
 

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Man alive, Michigan fans are the worst.
Worse than the Patriots fans bitching about Deflategate? Or more recently, the non-DPI call at the end of Seattle game? Seems to me, Michigan fans are pretty typical sports fans. Probably somewhat better educated and more polite than Ohio and MSU fans, on average, but that goes without saying.
 

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Worse than the Patriots fans bitching about Deflategate? Or more recently, the non-DPI call at the end of Seattle game? Seems to me, Michigan fans are pretty typical sports fans. Probably somewhat better educated and more polite than Ohio and MSU fans, on average, but that goes without saying.
Yup, just a snobby New Englander with no rooting interest in Michigan.
 

dhappy42

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Yeah, sometimes the better team loses, and I get upsets, but this wasn't an upset. Ohio State was favored, and they won. Also, the Bills were probably a better team than the Pats with an injured Brissett, and it's entirely possible the Seahawks are a better team in general.

I still don't see your evidence that Michigan is the better team. They were underdogs and lower ranked. They're better in your mind because they lost a game you believe they should've won?
You've got me there. You're right. The fact that Michigan should have won or would have won an upset if not for poor officiating doesn't make them the better team any more than the 30-27 final score proves that Ohio is the better team.

In my opinion, the two teams are roughly equal, but Michigan played better on Saturday and nonetheless lost because of execrable officiating. I'm still astonished that the Big10 assigns hometown officials to games. I'm not surprised that no Ohio fans have bothered to address this point.
 

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Flip the tables. If the Ohioans who were hired by the B1G to officiate their home team had accurately spotted the ball - or properly reversed the call on the field in front of 105k of their friends and neighbors - all of Buckeye Nation would have been crying about the critical walk-off call. UM fans, in turn, would have been playing the "you had us beat and squandered it" card. Herbstreit would have been on Mike & Mike at 6:17a lobbying for OSU in the playoff, etc.

I'm sure OSU fans - of any fanbase in the country - would have handled it with dignity. Class.
 

dhappy42

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Flip the tables. If the Ohioans who were hired by the B1G to officiate their home team had accurately spotted the ball - or properly reversed the call on the field in front of 105k of their friends and neighbors - all of Buckeye Nation would have been crying about the critical walk-off call. UM fans, in turn, would have been playing the "you had us beat and squandered it" card. Herbstreit would have been on Mike & Mike at 6:17a lobbying for OSU in the playoff, etc.

I'm sure OSU fans - of any fanbase in the country - would have handled it with dignity. Class.
You're being sarcastic, right?
 

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Should I feel inadequate b/o UM's national reputation? Do you think about this shit before you write?

Besides, MI has MSU to teach the kids who didn't get into UM how to milk cows and put shit into cardboard boxes at the tool and die shop.
UM's national reputation as a place where kids who have money but can't get into tier 1 colleges go? Yeah, you should feel inadequate. The pompous posting about academics is pretty laughable if you knew anything about the pedigrees of many of the folks posting here.
 

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UM's national reputation as a place where kids who have money but can't get into tier 1 colleges go? Yeah, you should feel inadequate. The pompous posting about academics is pretty laughable if you knew anything about the pedigrees of many of the folks posting here.
I was comparing UM to OSU - which is admittedly difficult in and of itself, but for other reasons. And how OSU views itself against UM. Not UM against Everybody. Stay with me.
 

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I was comparing UM to OSU - which is admittedly difficult in and of itself, but for other reasons. And how OSU views itself against UM. Not UM against Everybody. Stay with me.
I think his point was more that it's like BU and BC having the same debate while MIT and Harvard kids look on.
 

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I was comparing UM to OSU - which is admittedly difficult in and of itself, but for other reasons. And how OSU views itself against UM. Not UM against Everybody. Stay with me.
Trust me, following along with your line of thinking isn't hard.

tOSU really doesn't think about UM at all outside of football. When it comes to world class facilities which serve the good of the state, tOSU feels pretty good about itself and definitely doesn't lose sleep over "Wealthy kids from suburban Boston and NYC who couldn't make it on the East Coast" U.
 

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I think his point was more that it's like BU and BC having the same debate while MIT and Harvard kids look on.
If you look upthread, I was trying to respond to a poster who was wondering about the nature of the rivalry. I was partially explaining OSU's obsession with UM.

I get your comparison, but OSU isn't even on the level of BU and BC. I'm sure UM gets the same snark from Northwestern, fwiw.
 

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Trust me, following along with your line of thinking isn't hard.

tOSU really doesn't think about UM at all outside of football. When it comes to world class facilities which serve the good of the state, tOSU feels pretty good about itself and definitely doesn't lose sleep over "Wealthy kids from suburban Boston and NYC who couldn't make it on the East Coast" U.
I don't know, man. That east coast/west coast/southern/midwestern/western/foreign kids want to attend one of the best public schools in the US doesn't bother me. Congrats to you for being the, uh, biggest school in Ohio.
 

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So, it's a one-sided rivalry and Michigan doesn't care about OSU because they have higher average SAT scores? You sure it's not based on geography, the age of each program, the number of times they've played each other, and their histories of success?
 

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Flip the tables. If the Ohioans who were hired by the B1G to officiate their home team had accurately spotted the ball - or properly reversed the call on the field in front of 105k of their friends and neighbors - all of Buckeye Nation would have been crying about the critical walk-off call. UM fans, in turn, would have been playing the "you had us beat and squandered it" card. Herbstreit would have been on Mike & Mike at 6:17a lobbying for OSU in the playoff, etc.

I'm sure OSU fans - of any fanbase in the country - would have handled it with dignity. Class.

This. I agree that UM fans have looked like whiney cry babies (I've helped)...but there is nothing sillier in sports than acting like one set of fans is unique in a rivalry like this. If the situation were reversed, OSU fans would be going ape shit.

It's easy to sit back and stoke the flames when everything has come up roses...OSU has had a tremendous run, but the rivalry has lasted a long long time and there will be ups and downs in the future.
 

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Trust me, following along with your line of thinking isn't hard.

tOSU really doesn't think about UM at all outside of football. When it comes to world class facilities which serve the good of the state, tOSU feels pretty good about itself and definitely doesn't lose sleep over "Wealthy kids from suburban Boston and NYC who couldn't make it on the East Coast" U.
Can you expand on how osu serves Ohio than umich serves mich. Being serious - is it just that they have more in state?

The stuff about Michigan being a fall back for ivy want-a-be's is pretty obnoxious. I know plenty of people (myself included) who focused on state schools due to the lower tuition

Edit: I hate myself for posting in this thread so much...Yammer, you are a master fucking agitator. I tip my hat.
 

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No, seriously, tOSU fans can be a lot of things (obnoxious, sexy, in a relationship with your mom), but we just aren't anywhere near as whiny as you guys.

I'm sure they were in the cooper years but you're too young to recall and there wasn't as much blogging.

Sad reflection on the rivalry that it was that long ago.

Not sure what would make Ohio folk uniquely magnanimous. I've been to Ohio enough to know they aren't and there is no reason for them to be.
 

dhappy42

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UM's national reputation as a place where kids who have money but can't get into tier 1 colleges go? Yeah, you should feel inadequate. The pompous posting about academics is pretty laughable if you knew anything about the pedigrees of many of the folks posting here.
Michigan in-state tuition is $13,800. Ohio's is $10,000. Not a huge difference. B students in Michigan go to MSU.

Out-of-state tuition is almost exactly the same. It's true UM has a rep for being a school where rich out-of-staters send their kids who can't get into Ivies, (like BU and BC) but isn't that better than having a reputation for being a school where rich out-of-state kids don't want to go?
 

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No, seriously, tOSU fans can be a lot of things (obnoxious, sexy, in a relationship with your mom), but we just aren't anywhere near as whiny as you guys.
Are you kidding? Ohio fans are whining every bit as much as Michigan fans in this thread -- about anyone daring to point out the horrible one-sided officiating -- even though you won the game.
 

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Michigan in-state tuition is $13,800. Ohio's is $10,000. Not a huge difference. B students in Michigan go to MSU.

Out-of-state tuition is almost exactly the same. It's true UM has a rep for being a school where rich out-of-staters send their kids who can't get into Ivies, (like BU and BC) but isn't that better than having a reputation for being a school where rich out-of-state kids don't want to go?

I actually met a lot of OSU fans...who were students at Michigan. Work with a guy who was a hoops star at OSU...his daughter applied to Michigan, not OSU. Plenty of Ohioans seem to view OSU as a state football team, not a state school football team.

Saying that not as a criticism bc I know OSU does plenty of great things for society besides football. Just interesting to me how that team is seen (prob doesn't help that Ohio has the Browns)
 

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First of all, it was only a matter of time before the ongoing make-up sex made an appearance in this thread.

Second of all, WTF MIT? LOL.


Third of all, the game is over. Ohio State 100% deserves to go to the playoff and I sincerely hope they get screwed out of a spot
 

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Can you expand on how osu serves Ohio than umich serves mich. Being serious - is it just that they have more in state?

The stuff about Michigan being a fall back for ivy want-a-be's is pretty obnoxious. I know plenty of people (myself included) who focused on state schools due to the lower tuition
If you are from out of state then UM isn't a bargain, let'a not pretend that it is. They also don't go need-blind for out of state kids, so they are looking for the cash (ftr, I don't mind that, they are a state school) not the talent. You went to grad school there. Let's not go too far on this one.

tOSU does a fantastic job of engaging in programs that benefit the state. I have had direct experience with the programs I mentioned earlier directly and through family. I don't want to turn this thread into a potential V&N debacle about which projects should be prioritized etc, but they have done a bunch to get great doctors spread throughout the state and to provide them with ongoing training. They have provided a dark fiber backbone for schools throughout the state to use and technology support for that. Agriculturally they have done amazing things for Ohio farming (NB that can turn V&N real quick.....). I could go on, but they basically stay very focused on what is best for Ohio. They aren't trying to staff Wall Street and they aren't looking to provide a pipeline into Beverly Hills law firms. There is a lot you can say about tOSU, but they have done a very, very good job for Ohio.
 

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If you are from out of state then UM isn't a bargain, let'a not pretend that it is.
Compared to private schools it is a big savings. I saved myself/my parents $40 - $50K at least by going to a state school (undergrad).

For grad, I concede I'd go to best school I could get into but I am happy to save the money if Harvard/Wharton says no.
 

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If you are from out of state then UM isn't a bargain, let'a not pretend that it is. They also don't go need-blind for out of state kids, so they are looking for the cash (ftr, I don't mind that, they are a state school) not the talent. You went to grad school there. Let's not go too far on this one.

tOSU does a fantastic job of engaging in programs that benefit the state. I have had direct experience with the programs I mentioned earlier directly and through family. I don't want to turn this thread into a potential V&N debacle about which projects should be prioritized etc, but they have done a bunch to get great doctors spread throughout the state and to provide them with ongoing training.
This is good to hear.

Friend of mine from high school went to OSU med. now he teaches and works at Stanford. That's in Ohio, right?
 

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Compared to private schools it is a big savings. I saved myself/my parents $40 - $50K at least by going to state schools.
I don't disagree generally that state schools are great value, but out of state tuition at UM for undergrad is not a big savings vs. the elite East Coast schools, particularly because UM either does not give out of state kids scholarships or financial aid (I had been told this was the case but could be wrong) or is very meager with them.
 

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I don't disagree generally that state schools are great value, but out of state tuition at UM for undergrad is not a big savings vs. the elite East Coast schools, particularly because UM either does not give out of state kids scholarships or financial aid (I had been told this was the case but could be wrong) or is very meager with them.

It depends on the situation. Without getting too personal, my family situation - best that I could tell as a high school senior - was one where my parents were not deep pocketed enough to afford a private school without major sacrifice but had too much income/whatever to get aid. I think a lot of folks see that kind of situation and lean to state schools.

I also think it's a different experience. I'd sooner send my kid to Osu than an ivy - I don't like the echo chambers that those schools have become.
 

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This is good to hear.

Friend of mine from high school went to OSU med. now he teaches and works at Stanford. That's in Ohio, right?
My uncle went to OSU med and was one of the top pediatric urologists in the US, and built up one of the best pediatric surgical staffs in the US out of 90 percent tOSU grads, in Ohio.

A guy going to teach at Stanford gives an idea of the level of quality. Why someone would choose Palo Alto over Dayton is beyond me though.
 

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I'm sure they were in the cooper years but you're too young to recall and there wasn't as much blogging.

Sad reflection on the rivalry that it was that long ago.

Not sure what would make Ohio folk uniquely magnanimous. I've been to Ohio enough to know they aren't and there is no reason for them to be.
I'm about a decade older than you. Not whiny.
 

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My uncle went to OSU med and was one of the top pediatric urologists in the US, and built up one of the best pediatric surgical staffs in the US out of 90 percent tOSU grads, in Ohio.

A guy going to teach at Stanford gives an idea of the level of quality. Why someone would choose Palo Alto over Dayton is beyond me though.

From Andy Katzenmoyer to brilliant docs. Place has range.

How did you, ten years older than me, get so good at internetting. Had to be a Prodigy early adopter.

And don't lie. You whined during the cooper era. How could you not.
 

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I think it's great that people are proud of their academic institutions, whether it's Michigan, MSU, Ohio or UMass-Boston. Barrett was still short of a first down and the refs were homers.
 

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I think it's great that people are proud of their academic institutions, whether it's Michigan, MSU, Ohio or UMass-Boston. Barrett was still short of a first down and the refs were homers.
And the SoSH UM contingent has proven itself to be whiny as shit.

At least you guys don't have those stupid nicknames for all your opponents like Oklahoma State and Texas fans. That's almost as annoying to read as the whining.
 

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And the SoSH UM contingent has proven itself to be whiny as shit.

At least you guys don't have those stupid nicknames for all your opponents like Oklahoma State and Texas fans. That's almost as annoying to read as the whining.

And at least we're not notre dame fans.
 

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We can work on that. The third
down play is the one I'll see in my nightmares...that should have been a ten yard loss.
 

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From Andy Katzenmoyer to brilliant docs. Place has range.

How did you, ten years older than me, get so good at internetting. Had to be a Prodigy early adopter.

And don't lie. You whined during the cooper era. How could you not.
First of all, never dis the big cat.

Secondly, I like porn.

And (c), i didn't. I got angry. I hated Cooper. But I never whined. Hell, I didn't even whine sitting on a couch in akron, OH, watching Akron, OH product Ricky Powers destroy us.
 

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First of all, never dis the big cat.

Secondly, I like porn.

And (c), i didn't. I got angry. I hated Cooper. But I never whined. Hell, I didn't even whine sitting on a couch in akron, OH, watching Akron, OH product Ricky Powers destroy us.
Fine line bw anger and whining but I hear you.

Wait, how are you (or are you) a Red Sox fan??
 

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Justifiable "anger" is when I'm upset by a bad call. "Whining" is when you're upset by a bad call. That seems to be Yammer's definition.
 

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Justifiable "anger" is when I'm upset by a bad call. "Whining" is when you're upset by a bad call. That seems to be Yammer's definition.
No anger is saying that was a bad call, but we weren't the better team on that day and we deserved to lose because we still messed up x, y and z. Even Pats fans can mostly do that in game threads.